What changes, if any, does 2.2.6 has for the ret module? There's a popup when we start Rawr, but clicking on its Version History tab will only tell us about changes in 2.2.3

Any estimate as to when the next major Rawr will be out then? I am a mac user and was using Redcape's spreadsheet, but he decided to go all windows only on me too.

Our target release date is July 10th, when Silverlight 3.0 (which it is built upon) is scheduled to be released.

Hi, this is my first post here, and I hope my first question is not too stupid.

I recently downloaded the latest version of RAWR to check my ret pally, and see if there were improvements to be made. I have been using maxdps.com for some time to get an idea of what items are "better" dps-wise than others, and for the most part it seems that the info there matches what RAWR is telling me.

However, I have several rings and a few different neck-pieces, and per maxdps, the Titanium Impact Choker ([Titanium Impact Choker]) should be "better" than Pendant of the Outcast Hero ([Pendant of the Outcast Hero]). And with a +16 strength gem, my attack power is higher, as is my armor penetration, but I obviously lose critical strike.

RAWR indicates that I should be using the Pendant, not the Choker.

I also have several rings, the Titanium Impact Band ([Titanium Impact Band]), the Strong Handed Ring ([Strong-Handed Ring]), the Hemorrhaging Circle ([Hemorrhaging Circle]), and the Band of Frosted Thorns ([Band of Frosted Thorns]). Again, maxdps puts the Titanium Impact above any of the other rings, but RAWR says the Strong Handed Ring and the Hemorrhaging Circle are the two best.

And finally, RAWR says I should put Wristbands of the Sentinel Huntress ([Wristbands of the Sentinel Huntress]) on instead of Bracers of Unrelenting Attack ([Bracers of Unrelenting Attack]). When I do this, I am no longer hit-capped, and have about a 257 hit rating with the ring and neck changes. And again, my attack power is down with this change, going from 5619 (on RAWR) to 5521.

I have been trying to remain hit-capped, then maximize attack power, but if I am interpreting the above correctly, it seems the RAWR model is pushing me to get more expertise, and being slightly under the hit cap is not as important, and if my attack power goes down a bit, then having more crit and more expertise makes up for it. Is this correct?

Thanks!

Thanks, I was starting to suspect that, however, my concern is that by following RAWR's recommendations, my attack power has gone down, while my expertise and crit rating have gone up. Is this to be expected?

Assuming you were below the expertise cap (26), adding more expertise is most likely better than more attack power for single target dps. If you are not sure what is best, just default to what Rawr tells you.

So my guild has changed strats on general vezax, making him a tank and spank for the melee. As such, I thought it would be a decent fight to log and measure my dps. According to rawr, my dps should be 5784, given the raid buffs that we had. It was a 6.1 min fight, and I used AW 3 times. My effective cd's were
Actual Rawr
CS 6.63s 6.55 -1%
DS 11.40 10.89 -4.6%
Ex 18.25 17.85 -2%
JoL 9.3s 8.93 -4%
Melee 2.57

My dps was 5000 on the nose. If you account for the loss of dps due to poor timing in the 1-5% range, that does not account for the over all missing 784dps. Is there anything particular to the vezax fight that would cause this? Does he have a higher armor?
Secondly, in the first rawr tab, if you mouse over the different abilities under the Total DPS Breakdown section, it gives you the following info:
Average Dmg
Average Hit
Crit Chance
Avoidance Chance

The latter two are obvious, but the first two are not. Is the Average hit, the average dmg done per non crit, and the average dmg the total average damage including crits? Or does the Average Dmg include things like Righteous Vengeance ticks? For example on my Crusader strike
actual
avg non crit hit was 2764
average crit was 5327
Total Average / cast 4353

Rawr Values
"Average Hit" 3131
"Average Damage" 5897

I've double checked my settings on rawr, it's a lvl 83 Other mob, and I had imp might, kings, imp mark, sunders, 99%up time on unleashed rage or trueshot, Curse of elements, Icy Talons, LotP, imp Strength of Earth, Sunders, Faerie Fire, Curse of elements, savage combat, misery, and my ret aura was up. Any thoughts on the discrepancy?

To clarify Average Damage vs Average Hit.

Average Damage is how much damage you are going to do on average because you used that ability (not counting the seal it may proc). It averages the effect of avoided attacks, crit attacks, righteous vengeance, glancings, etc.

Average Hit is how much damage the attack will do on average if it just plain hit, no avoids, no crits, no nothing.

that's what i would have thought, but then there is a rather large discrepancy b/t what rawr reported, and what the actual numbers in the fight were. Decreased attack speed wouldn't change that.

As I said have said many many many times, I can't do really much of anything unless you give me your Rawr Character. A link to the log you are comparing it to is useful aswell.

It's pretty clear you don't understand where the majority of ret damage comes from. Melee is ~20% of our damage, and seal damage is ~25%. Decreased attack speed will make a HUGE difference. It's pretty easy to argue that GV's aura hurts ret more than any other class, so using that fight as a baseline to compare yourself to the spreadsheet is a terrible idea.