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Old 08/14/09, 12:35 AM   #241
Gormal
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I wanted to try modelling the AW glyph but it seems to not be working at all, displaying at 0dps. I also played with the FCFS priorities and got the best results out of J>CS>DS>Cons>HoW>Exo (by 1dps more than CS>J...) using the BiS plate list.

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Old 08/14/09, 1:44 AM   #242
Glutton
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Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
Can anyone else confirm? I assumed 10 seconds because I had a 95% uptime, but it seems 6 seconds fits the data better.

In addition to that question, I wonder if the standard 3.1 FCFS Priorities are incorrect. Playing with Rawr using the BiS Plate setup, CS> Judge> DiS> Cons> HoW> Exo comes up as the highest number (granted it isn't a large difference, but everything helps).
On a single target encounter I observed the earliest Holy Strength refresh to be 9 seconds after the previous proc. This suggests that the ICD is between 6 and 8.9 seconds. I'm not sure that you'd be able to observe a difference between a 6, 7, or 8 second ICD given the limitations of Blood Corruption's three second per tick mechanic.

This means you get three 70% chance opportunities at 9, 12, and 15 seconds to refresh Holy Strength before it falls off.

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WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay
I went AFK for 173 melee attacks on the training dummy. The fight was 9 minutes and 9 seconds in duration. Holy Strength's uptime was 9 minutes and 1 second (99%). Since there's three total applications, I guess it fell off twice during combat. The data suggests an ICD of 6 to 8.9 seconds.

Refresh time statistics
Sample size: 73
Average: 10.6 seconds
Median: 9 seconds
Mode: 9 seconds
Maximum: 24 seconds
Minimum: 9 seconds

(for analysis everything was rounded to a multiple of 3)

49 of 73 procs occurred at 9 seconds. This is roughly 67%; fairly close to Wowhead's datamined proc rate of 70%.


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Old 08/14/09, 4:07 PM   #243
Malthrax
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Originally Posted by Endoscient View Post
No that probably just means you don't have any gemming templates enabled that have a str/crit gem in it.
/facepalm


yeah, that was the problem.

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Old 08/15/09, 4:20 AM   #244
cremor
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I have a problem with creating a custom gemming template in 2.2.13 and I'm not sure if it's a bug or I just can't figure it out.
If I try to select a gem for a custom gemming template, only green (uncommon) gems and the stormjewels are shown in the popup.
I tried changing some filter settings, but nothing changed.

PS:
Shouldn't Rawr now default to the epic gemming templates instead of the rare ones?
And you said that you will include the prismatic gem in a default gemming template once 3.2 is live. Have you changed your mind?

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Old 08/18/09, 6:35 AM   #245
Endoscient
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Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
Can anyone else confirm? I assumed 10 seconds because I had a 95% uptime, but it seems 6 seconds fits the data better.

In addition to that question, I wonder if the standard 3.1 FCFS Priorities are incorrect. Playing with Rawr using the BiS Plate setup, CS> Judge> DiS> Cons> HoW> Exo comes up as the highest number (granted it isn't a large difference, but everything helps).
I changed ICD to 6 seconds for 2.2.14.

It seems now that the best FCFS priorities are largely dependent on your current gear especially which set bonuses you have. For instance gaining 2T9 will probably make a J first rotation the best.

Originally Posted by cremor View Post
I have a problem with creating a custom gemming template in 2.2.13 and I'm not sure if it's a bug or I just can't figure it out.
If I try to select a gem for a custom gemming template, only green (uncommon) gems and the stormjewels are shown in the popup.
I tried changing some filter settings, but nothing changed.

PS:
Shouldn't Rawr now default to the epic gemming templates instead of the rare ones?
And you said that you will include the prismatic gem in a default gemming template once 3.2 is live. Have you changed your mind?
It sounds like they are filtered out. Try deleting your current copy of Rawr, and downloading/extracting a new one. If that doesn't fix it, post here again. I also updated the gemming templates for 2.2.14.


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Old 08/18/09, 11:36 AM   #246
Rurahk
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Originally Posted by Endoscient View Post
It seems now that the best FCFS priorities are largely dependent on your current gear especially which set bonuses you have. For instance gaining 2T9 will probably make a J first rotation the best.
Considering that changing priorities can amount to 10-30 dps gain/loss which is on par with many gear upgrades, would it be possible to iterate thru the priorities and find the best one during optimization?

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Old 08/19/09, 6:09 AM   #247
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Maybe I missed it, but I can't seem to find the protection tier8 items. I am interested in testing if using 2x T8 for the set bonus would produce better DPS than my current (not amazing) items in those slots.

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Old 08/19/09, 8:23 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Endoscient View Post
I changed ICD to 6 seconds for 2.2.14.
I'm curious as to how RAWR calculates the frequency of Holy Vengeance ticks. Editing the cooldown from 6 to 8.9 seconds should have zero effect on the DPS contribution of the Libram when set to a one target, but it does, albeit by a marginal amount. While I remain confident in the testing Bluedeep and I did, I believe it'd be more accurate to set the cooldown on RAWR to 9 seconds rather than 6. The Libram does have a 6 second ICD but an effective ICD of 9 seconds (or 8.9, however you wish to view it). The difference between these two points is the number of chances the buff gets to renew itself before it falls, as it only has the 9, 12, and 15 second mark to refresh and not the 6 second mark.

Anyway, this really only comes out to the tune of 5~ DPS in my current gear (7381 vs 7376 DPS).

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Old 08/19/09, 10:01 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by jula View Post
Maybe I missed it, but I can't seem to find the protection tier8 items. I am interested in testing if using 2x T8 for the set bonus would produce better DPS than my current (not amazing) items in those slots.
It will always be a dps loss (assuming you had some 226 items for those slots). I guess if you had 213 or less items it could be an upgrade.

I don't know if the set bonus (10% better SoV/SoR) is modeled, but you can add items. Just goto edit items, then click Add. Either type the name of item or get the wowhead ID (it is shown in the URL) to import it.

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Old 08/21/09, 4:55 AM   #250
HamSlammer
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Seal of Command on the current 3.2.2 PTR procs things like [Fury of the Five Flights] for each hit that lands. I assume [Victor's Call] would stack similarly as well.

I'm not sure if this means each hit that lands, whether a hit or crit, has an individual chance to proc certain procs, namely Berserking.

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Old 08/23/09, 9:04 AM   #251
Neraya
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Not ret paladin specific, but I'm not sure how other classes select their gems really.

With JC having lost the prismaticism on the dragon's eyes cuts, there is essentially no more gemming selection benefit for JC's. What I mean by that is: we still get the 3 dragon's eyes, but it doesn't really matter anymore where we put them. But it is annoying setting up rawr with dragon's eyes and then seeing it make 'funny' suggestions to your gearing because of where you put the dragon's eyes.
There used to be a very good reason to put the bold dragon's eyes in specific sockets so you could pick up the bonusses, but that is no longer the case afterall.

I've personally resorted to no longer setting up rawr with any dragon's eyes and disabling the JC templates, because it makes gearing choices easier. But I am loosing out on the actual DPS calculation of course, I'm putting them in when I want to get an more accurate result but that's annoying also.


Wouldn't it now not be a lot simpler simpler to set up the gemming for JC's to no longer have any dragon's eyes in any gemming templates or gemming suggestions in the optimiser and just have a
"replace any 3 bold cardinal ruby by bold dragon's eyes"
or even a "I'm a JC, give me 3x 14 extra Str" checkbox somewhere.
Unless I'm missing something, there's never ever a good reason to get anything other than a bold dragon's eye, so I'll never replace say a Str/Hit or Str/Crit gem with the dragon's eye variant?

A change like that would probably also make the optimiser a lot easier/faster since it doesn't need to account fo so many gemming variants.

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Old 08/23/09, 1:47 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Neraya View Post
since it doesn't need to account fo so many gemming variants.
I made all the BiS gear sets and had little issue using JC gems. I just had to make sure there were 3 of them in the template (Rawr will not allow more than 3). The optimizer is pretty fast (less than a minute) using my 4 year old computer.

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Old 08/29/09, 7:09 AM   #253
Capstone
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Originally Posted by DoomMighter View Post
2) Basic FCFS is : HOW > CS > JUDG. > DS > CONST > EXORC - ulduar . At the ToC 10/25 I`am fighting again Lord Jaraxxus,,who is a Demon ,Twin Val'kyr - undead and Anub'arak - undead . So now my Exo hits critically and make more dmg ,what is going on with Holy Wrath - of course I am using it ,but where in rotation is HW and Exo ?,
first rotation is like in uldu to make Exo instant ,and then how it goes ? :
EXorc > HW >HOW > CS > JUDG. > DS > CONST ?
Now I am curious, if Undead is selected as the mob type in Rawr, does it model 100% Exorcism crit?

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Old 08/29/09, 11:48 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by Capstone View Post
Now I am curious, if Undead is selected as the mob type in Rawr, does it model 100% Exorcism crit?
Yes. Note since Exo is a spell, it only crits for 150%, so it doesn't change the priority.

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Old 08/31/09, 3:31 AM   #255
Capstone
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Lightbringer
Does the latest version of Rawr model T9 2pc in its current bugged implementation, or the theoretically correct form??

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