3.1 is coming out April 14th or 21st, so you might as well use the beta Rawr even for the current game. 2.1.9 didn't have the two roll system and did a few things wrong, so no point in using it.

You can always edit a trinket/libram into Rawr. Rawr has support for the all the librams (like extra damage to DS/CS), but you may have to manually find the correct field in the edit table.

For modeling click trinkets, I use use the average over time, so if your trinket has a click for 200 AP for 15 seconds (2 min cooldown), you use 200 * 15/120 or 25 AP to model it in Rawr.

Ok this may be the wrong place to ask this and it may be a stupid question, but I'm trying to add in the proc from Bandits insignia for my 3.1 set(probably the ghetto way), and taken from my WWS over a night in naxx, the average hit was 2426. The ICD is 45 seconds, so I divided 2426 by 45 seconds, and got ~53. SO that'd be like 53 DPS right?(If not theres a disclaimer later) Then multiplied it by 6, and added that dmg to the CS dmg block on the edit item thing. Now a disclaimer, I suck at math, and more or less just wondering if this is a passable way of figuring that proc (i.e. I know the crit chance for the proc is a bit less than CS but eh).

There are a lot of changes, but the 2.1.9 version just isn't very accurate to live either (unless I am misinterpreting the 2 roll system as having already been on live). This single discovery alone nearly invalidates the 2.1.9 rawr module because it severely undervalues hit and expertise.


The first part is correct; it is 53 dps based on those numbers. I don't know if the second part is a very good way to input that though. I thought there was already a way to model dmg procs through the trinket itself though.

This is true. I highly doubt they changed the roll system in 3.1, it's just that no one tested it prior to now, so Minus the SoB change and haste changes, the Beta Rawr is probably better for live.

Edit: Actually.... I was one of the people doing the tests, and they were done on live, so 2 roll system applies. Not sure why I didn't think of that when making my first reply.

BI stuff-
Thats why I was asking, because I couldn't think of another way to try and model the Proc, other than tack on the dmg that will happen to something we're going to be using every time it's up. In my mind, as confused as it is, if it does 53 dps, then 53*6 should be what it'd do over 6 seconds, i.e. the cd for CS. As I said I know it works off spell crit, so the crit chance would be a little lower. I was just trying to get a ballpark figure. Mainly because I don't like comparing a BI without a proc to Mirror with a proc figured in.

I tried editing the trinket and assigning min-max damage values to "weapon properties" of the edit menu, with a speed of 45, which is ideally assumed the time between procs. I know it's a lot more, but we can agree on that number for argument's sake. Anyway, even though the number "48.51 DPS" appears near "190 Attack Power", it doesn't seem to factor it in for some reason. At least we could get it to work this way.

One question: You said that CS gets multiplied by some CS specific multipliers. Can't we just divide those CS specific multipliers off the damage we are going to input in, so it's like they get cancelled off anyway? E.g. Let's say the trinket gives 53 dps, 53 times 6 is 318. If we divide 318 with 1.1, which is the 10% of AoW we get 289.09, which is the number without the multiplier factored it. Can't you say we could get a very rough estimate of the trinket's worth this way?

I find myself in the very same situation as greatrichie since I have the trinket sitting in my bank for a long time. And since I've tried to "model" it, I looked and tampered with every multiplier that is available on the edit tab but I can't seem to get any results. It would be great if we could know it's value.

The easiest way to model it would be to add in the old SSO neck that had an arcane strike to it (level 70 item from being exalted with SSO), since it is still in Rawr.

BI's proc is a arcane spell, so is affected by all spell modifiers like Vengeance (it affects all magic damage done) and Ebon plague, your spell crit and your spell hit.

Assume 14% spell miss (3% from Spriest) and normal 9% spell hit, 5% chance to miss.

(((1504+2256)*1.13*1.09*.95)/2)(1+0.5(spellcrit%/100))/50 (45 ICD) so assume 30% spell crit + 5% from Scorch + 3% from HotC (-3% for spell crit depression) = 52 dps

You can just add that number to the dps number Rawr gives you at the the left side of the page.

As I said in the previous post nothing from the equipment procs works properly for modelling the trinket. I assume you mean the shattered sun spell neck proc, which yes, is modelled in rawr but doesn't seem to affect the trinket at all if you input a value in the field.

Is this scheduled for the 2.2 official release or at a later stage?

Its in the current source code repository, so it will be out whenever the next release (beta or final) is.

Is the +5% CS damage from the PvP Gloves modeled in b6? I went up and down the 'Misc' menu about 3 times without finding it.

It is modeled, but for some reason the gloves in the default itemcache don't have it set already. You can just right click them and refresh from Wowhead/Armory and it will pick it up.