Rawr Retribution Model - Page 4

Cytokinesis · 04/16/09, 3:23 PM

Is anyone else having a problem/have a solution to an application error that opens up whenever when tries to start Rawr? I've downloaded the newest version and extracted it to a folder, but whenever I double lick on Rawr.exe it gives me an application error and does not start the program.

Endoscient · 04/16/09, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by Cytokinesis

Is anyone else having a problem/have a solution to an application error that opens up whenever when tries to start Rawr? I've downloaded the newest version and extracted it to a folder, but whenever I double lick on Rawr.exe it gives me an application error and does not start the program.

You need to be more specific on the error you are getting. It should give you an error code something similar. I am guessing the error you are getting is because you do not have the .Net framework (2.0 or later) is installed. Please make sure that is the case, and if does not help post back here with more detail (like a screen shot) of the error.

Arthaal · 04/16/09, 5:57 PM

I have a feature request: Rawr breaks down DPS per ability under it's main view. Would it be terribly difficult to add the corresponding percentage value of total DPS that each ability contributes next to that number - possibly between parentheses or something? It's simply a convenience factor for me when looking at where my damage is coming from (physical/holy/affected by hit/expertise/or not etc.) I can't imagine it would be to troublesome to add and might provide some starting point for figuring out where any differences from optimal DPS may lie and what could be done to address them.

Paul · 04/16/09, 9:36 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

Yes Moongoose is modelled properly. Why would you think that it isn't? It even says in its tooltip the effect it is providing.

The tooltip says "1 mongoose proc."

There's nothing I can look at to see what that means.

Endoscient · 04/16/09, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

The tooltip says "1 mongoose proc."

There's nothing I can look at to see what that means.

It says "120 Agility, 2% Physical Haste (15 Sec 1.5 PPM On Melee Hit)" for me.

What version are you using, 2.2.0.8? Try deleting the EnchantCache.xml within the Data folder, launch Rawr, and see if that changes anything.

If not you can manually edit EnchantCache.xml to model it until the next version comes out. Open it up and find to following text.

  <Enchant>
    <Id>2673</Id>
    <Name>Mongoose</Name>
    <Slot>OneHand</Slot>
    <Stats>
      <MongooseProc>1</MongooseProc>
    </Stats>
  </Enchant>

Then replace it with the follow text.

  <Enchant>
    <Id>2673</Id>
    <Name>Mongoose</Name>
    <Slot>OneHand</Slot>
    <Stats>
      <SpecialEffects>
        <SpecialEffect>
          <Trigger>MeleeHit</Trigger>
          <Stats>
            <Agility>120</Agility>
            <PhysicalHaste>0.02</PhysicalHaste>
          </Stats>
          <Duration>15</Duration>
          <Cooldown>0</Cooldown>
          <Chance>-1.5</Chance>
          <MaxStack>1</MaxStack>
        </SpecialEffect>
      </SpecialEffects>
      <SpecialEffectCount>1</SpecialEffectCount>
      <MongooseProc>1</MongooseProc>
    </Stats>
  </Enchant>

You should be able to start up Rawr now and see it.

saibot · 04/17/09, 6:45 AM

The tooltip of mongoose is working perfectly fine for me. He might not have updated to the last version. Or he might overwrote the new version with the previous one so something messed up?

Paul · 04/17/09, 1:20 PM

I completely deleted the old version before downloading the new. Not sure why mine is different.

Endoscient · 04/17/09, 1:57 PM

2.2.0.9 came out today, the main change is the Rawr talents are synced up to the Armory ones. So you will no longer have to manually adjust the talents after importing from Armory.

Shegokigo · 04/18/09, 12:38 PM

Yeah, everytime I use the optimizer, I get a lower score/dps setup as the result. Any clues what the hell is up with it?

Endoscient · 04/18/09, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Shegokigo

Yeah, everytime I use the optimizer, I get a lower score/dps setup as the result. Any clues what the hell is up with it?

Please read the first post.

This thread is about the Retribution Paladin model for it, please use the Rawr model development thread for anything not specific to the Ret module.

Even if you weren't sure if it was Ret specific issue or a overall Rawr issue you didn't post your character file.

If you think something is wrong, either an incorrect calculation or whatever, please post here with the problem. But remember to ALWAYS post your Rawr XML character file when you do. It is significantly easier for me to diagnose the issue if you do. How do you post the XML character file? You can either upload it to a place like Filefront, or you can copy & paste the text into a PM to me.

Please post this in either the main Rawr model development thread or over at Codeplex, and make sure you post your character file as well. I did not make the optimizer so I won't really be able to help you much with it.

Paul · 04/18/09, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

If not you can manually edit EnchantCache.xml to model it until the next version comes out. Open it up and find to following text.

[coding]

You should be able to start up Rawr now and see it.

Thanks for that. Was it supposed to just update the tooltip or the actual chant as well?

Endoscient · 04/18/09, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

Thanks for that. Was it supposed to just update the tooltip or the actual chant as well?

Well 2.2.0.9 came out shortly after I made that post, you should definitely no longer need to do this (Mongoose should show up on its own) and if you do something is very wrong with your Rawr.

trv186 · 04/18/09, 2:02 PM

would it be possible to add an option to create an item in Rarw? It should not be too hard. With all the new drops coming from ulduar there is a lot of lag between wowhead and esp armory to update them. Wowhead's latest updates included items which were on mmo-champ two weeks earlier.

The command could just be udner tools and pop up a new window asking what type of weapon/armor and sockets add weapon speed weapon top end and low end, socket colo etc.

This would be a huge help especially in my case where our guild expects us to know which 4 pieces of t8 you need and which off piece so we don't waste loot throwing out extra t8 tokens to people who will replace them when their off pieces drop

Endoscient · 04/18/09, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by trv186

would it be possible to add an option to create an item in Rarw? It should not be too hard. With all the new drops coming from ulduar there is a lot of lag between wowhead and esp armory to update them. Wowhead's latest updates included items which were on mmo-champ two weeks earlier.

The command could just be udner tools and pop up a new window asking what type of weapon/armor and sockets add weapon speed weapon top end and low end, socket colo etc.

This would be a huge help especially in my case where our guild expects us to know which 4 pieces of t8 you need and which off piece so we don't waste loot throwing out extra t8 tokens to people who will replace them when their off pieces drop

You can do this with the current version. Go into the item editor, and press Add. Then it will ask you for an item id, in here just enter in a random number that isn't being used. When you click okay it will say it is unable to load the item and if you will like to create a blank one. Press yes, and then you can just edit the stats and everything to the desired amount.

Shegokigo · 04/18/09, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

Please read the first post.

Yeah, I read the entire thread. There's nothing there that answers anything with opitimizer.

vorda · 04/18/09, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shegokigo

Yeah, I read the entire thread. There's nothing there that answers anything with opitimizer.

Read his post again. And again. Try giving some attention to the second quote he puts in his post and where it comes from.

Junlex · 04/19/09, 5:05 AM

It appears that the current Rawr ret module isn't modelling either tier 8 2 piece or 4 piece. Completing four piece isn't significantly changing the crit chance of divine storm or crusader strike, nor is completing two piece significantly changing the damge of exorcism and hammer of wrath. Am I missing something or are these bonuses not being modelled at the moment?

saibot · 04/19/09, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Shegokigo

Yeah, I read the entire thread. There's nothing there that answers anything with opitimizer.

He means that this thread is about the Retribution module of Rawr specifically. Any other concerns related to Rawr, e.g. the optimizer, since it is not a retribution only feature, should be directed to the rawr model development thread, located: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t21713-r...leased_1_30_a/

Again, read the first post.

Endoscient · 04/19/09, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Junlex

It appears that the current Rawr ret module isn't modelling either tier 8 2 piece or 4 piece. Completing four piece isn't significantly changing the crit chance of divine storm or crusader strike, nor is completing two piece significantly changing the damge of exorcism and hammer of wrath. Am I missing something or are these bonuses not being modelled at the moment?

This question has been asked or answered already, in the future please read the entire thread first. For some reason the default item cache included didn't properly set the set names for Tier 8-25. To fix this just right click on the items and select Refresh from Wowhead.

locutiz · 04/19/09, 9:34 PM

I picked up the [Wrathstone] this week, and I'm trying to get an accurate assessment of its dps value in Rawr. I manually edited the item in Rawr to fix the stats, removing the 856 static AP - this puts it third for me, behind [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] and [Fury of the Five Flights]. Given the 2 min CD, the Wrathstone ties in very nicely with Avenging Wrath. I was wondering if AW is modelled into these trinkets when calculating their dps values? Ignoring the static Crit on the Wrathstone, AW should increased the effective AP of the Wrathstone by far more than the effective AP of FoFF. i.e.

Wrathstone:22.5% (15s/20s * 30)
FoFF: 3.75% (15s/120s * 30)

Apologies if this is not relevant to the Ret module, but considering AW, I have thought this thread is the best place for this question.

• frmorrison · 04/20/09, 2:34 AM

The newest Rawr takes into the use effect. I don't think it takes into account that you would always use Wings when using the trinket.

Because you can macro it with Wings, I think it is better than FotFF, but not by much.

• Zurm · 04/20/09, 12:19 PM

Just wanted to point out Rawr treats FotFF in a very ideal and unrealistic sense. I started off ulduar using the fury + DMC:G, and got so fed up with stacks falling that I've just decided to use [Bandit's Insignia] instead. Not only does bandits give most of the AP of a fully stacked fury at all times, but on multi-target fights where your targets may not have sunder/expose up (but likely have CoE-type effects due to DKs/moonkin) it fares far better.

trv186 · 04/20/09, 12:21 PM

The new Tentacle trinket off Yogg Saron 25 man has 136 passive crit and on use summons a tentacle of yogg saron for I believe 20 seconds with a 2 min CD
Any idea how to model this in Rawr? Would the summoned tentacle's attack power scale off my stats?

For fun I wanted to see if it could be any good.

• Zurm · 04/20/09, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by trv186

The new Tentacle trinket off Yogg Saron 25 man has 136 passive crit and on use summons a tentacle of yogg saron for I believe 20 seconds with a 2 min CD
Any idea how to model this in Rawr? Would the summoned tentacle's attack power scale off my stats?

For fun I wanted to see if it could be any good.

We have no idea how hard the tentacle hits and if it scales with gear at all. When we know the details of it, it can be modeled.

Endoscient · 04/20/09, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Zurm

Just wanted to point out Rawr treats FotFF in a very ideal and unrealistic sense. I started off ulduar using the fury + DMC:G, and got so fed up with stacks falling that I've just decided to use [Bandit's Insignia] instead. Not only does bandits give most of the AP of a fully stacked fury at all times, but on multi-target fights where your targets may not have sunder/expose up (but likely have CoE-type effects due to DKs/moonkin) it fares far better.

There is an option called "stacked trinket reset" that simulates the effects of losing your stack a certain number of times. So you can see how often it would need to drop for other trinkets to surpass it.