You don't need to macro SS, there is an Auto-Selfcast-option in the interface menu, choosing automatically yourself as the target of a spell if your current target is hostile.
And I do absolutely agree, Relwin's rule should definitely apply to the paladin forums as well. They do not provide anything a good player could not, making it an attempt to just further dumb down our playstyle, something I definitely would not want to encourage on EJ.
On a more helpful note, I find a self-cast macro on SS to be quite useful. I'm no macro genius, but it makes it a one button affair and allows me to continue focusing on DPSing.
You could alternatively turn on the self-cast in the interface options, so that it will cast it on you. No need for a macro in that sense. Personally, I use a mouseover macro for mine. That just happens to be from the days of playing holy in alt runs.
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Is it okay to lose 4pc t7 whenever you get ulduar gear?
Like I don't want to toss the extra sec off judgement if its H U G E.
Since Judgement is now a significantly smaller amount of our damage, 4pT7 means only a dps increase of about 1% (plus increased mana regen via JotW, but I never really find myself mana starved in Ulduar). You should find a lot of upgrades which will still be upgrades when you lose 4p.
Consecration should be hit every time it comes off CD on stationary fights (rare occasions where you might want to wait). When I put it in this macro, the end result was the macro would wait for CS to come off CD while other abilities like DS or judgment were ready to go. It does not use all abilities on CD, just the next ability in the sequence when it comes off CD.
That's why Consecration has to be used manually, the cooldown it uses just doesn't fit in a 1-button-solution. After doing some testings with what you said, i've with this:
/castsequence reset=1, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Exorcism(Rank 9), Divine Storm, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Divine Storm
With this and doing Consecration manually, you will lose 2 seconds(3 if you use t7 4 pieces bonus) on JoW each 2 times you do your rotation. But about Consecration, i didn't managed to find a place for this skill in the macro, maybe in a future update if blizz stop changing how macros work.
That's why Consecration has to be used manually, the cooldown it uses just doesn't fit in a 1-button-solution. After doing some testings with what you said, i've with this:
/castsequence reset=1, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Exorcism(Rank 9), Divine Storm, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Divine Storm
With this and doing Consecration manually, you will lose 2 seconds(3 if you use t7 4 pieces bonus) on JoW each 2 times you do your rotation. But about Consecration, i didn't managed to find a place for this skill in the macro, maybe in a future update if blizz stop changing how macros work.
Blizzard does not want a macro playing the game on your behalf, hence the massive overhaul from the macro system from when WoW launched. And again, you're using a cast sequence: this does not compensate for mana, range, swapping to JoL, etc. It merely attempts to follow said sequence. Because of the removal of "if" as a modifier in macros, you cannot truly create a "do my job for me" macro.
Again, I don't doubt that this is not an attempt to be helpful, but posting this type of macro is not really what the intent of this board is here for. See the post you ignored here.
Re: my SS macro. I did not realize they fixed self-casting. Disregard that part of the post!
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Blizzard does not want a macro playing the game on your behalf, hence the massive overhaul from the macro system from when WoW launched. And again, you're using a cast sequence: this does not compensate for mana, range, swapping to JoL, etc. It merely attempts to follow said sequence. Because of the removal of "if" as a modifier in macros, you cannot truly create a "do my job for me" macro.
Again, I don't doubt that this is not an attempt to be helpful, but posting this type of macro is not really what the intent of this board is here for. See the post you ignored here.
Re: my SS macro. I did not realize they fixed self-casting. Disregard that part of the post!
Didn't ignored your post, just missed it for god-know-why reasons, will not happen again. Yes i understand your point and of course you can't rely on macros to do the full job, as you stated, if blizzard does not want it to be 1 button-solution it will never be, it's just something i came with and proved to be useful on fights you where you will despell/heal/use hands, if a macro could do it all, there would not be any skilled players at all.
Changing the subject:
"Since 20 str gems are not available in 3.1, JC benefit is slightly better than BS. "
Should be removed from the first page, as they are available in 3.1.
Changing the subject:
"Since 20 str gems are not available in 3.1, JC benefit is slightly better than BS. "
Should be removed from the first page, as they are available in 3.1.
It is guessed that once Icecrown is released, 20 strength gems (besides the 1 storm gem) will be added to JCers recipes.
Why list a random item and what it gives you? Sure, the statement is true however it means little as a isolated statement.
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If you use this wall mousing over a friendly, it casts SS on them. Otherwise, it casts it on target if friendly, yourself if not.
If you don't cast SS on other players much, the auto cast is fine, but I like to have the mouseover option available. (and, naturally, it's quite useful for pvp)
One's everyone should implement...
I have a "Raid Utility Bar", just a 12 slot bar from Bartender, above my Raid Frames and on them I keep the following, Hot Keyed
Setting up your macros like this erases the need to have to even use a /target lasttarget line, it doesn't peel you off your target at all. Just need an open GCD and your back on your way. I honestly couldn't PvP without them.
As DPS we shouldn't have to babysit the rest of the raid, at least in my opinion. So having these set up and in a position that you can use them easily and regularly HIGHLY decreases the need to be babysat yourself. Most important macros you can possibly have in my personal opinion.
If those macros are intended to cast those certain abilities on yourself, then, as mentioned at the top of this page, they are unnecessary. Just turn on Auto Self-Cast in the Interface options and it will automatically cast it on yourself while you are targetting something hostile.
If those macros are intended to cast those certain abilities on yourself, then, as mentioned at the top of this page, they are unnecessary. Just turn on Auto Self-Cast in the Interface options and it will automatically cast it on yourself while you are targetting something hostile.
Auto self cast isn't really a great idea if you use hand of protection a split second too late and the target dies it will auto cast on you. Atleast that was my impression of the feature. I also remember getting alot of paladins to stop using it paticularly on felmyst where BoP was invaluable on shaman healers...
Might be a little bit offtopic, but is the worldcarver an upgrade from Betrayer of humanity ?
At the moment i am not EXP capped. My guess would be that it is since both STR and EXP are better valued in DPS than crit, but i just cant neglect all the crit loss that would happen with the switch.
Might be a little bit offtopic, but is the worldcarver an upgrade from Betrayer of humanity ?
At the moment i am not EXP capped. My guess would be that it is since both STR and EXP are better valued in DPS than crit, but i just cant neglect all the crit loss that would happen with the switch.
While this is really something you should turn to Rawr/spreadsheets for, I would imagine the Worldcarver would be better. Almost 10 more weapon dps, far more AP (with talents/kings factored in), and expertise (which is very good below cap... just keep in mind you get about 10.6 expertise POINTS with this, so you need to have less than 16 [or 4%] expertise right now to get the full use out of it).
Originally Posted by PaladinKento
On the topic of macros...
In regards to macros, using ones like the kind in this post is good practice. Sure, auto self-cast will still target you, but it's my philosophy that it's better to be safe than sorry. These also ensure that if for whatever reason you are targeting another friendly by accident (such as a shaman's totem), you will still do exactly what you intended.
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Auto self cast isn't really a great idea if you use hand of protection a split second too late and the target dies it will auto cast on you. Atleast that was my impression of the feature. I also remember getting alot of paladins to stop using it paticularly on felmyst where BoP was invaluable on shaman healers...
I use the following macro for my HoP hotkey for just this reason (I use auto-self cast):
/cast [target=target,help,exists] Hand of Protection
One too many times accidentally putting hand on myself while tanking in a raid because some raid member dies just as I cast and a few mishaps in the arenas led to that.
The difference is that JoL always heals for a set amount. It doesn't discriminate on whether you have 200 health or 20000 health, it will always tic for that ~900 number. A real healer will naturally drop a big heal on you if you're sitting at 2% and a much smaller one if you're at 90%. In addition (glancing at my guild's Hodir kill last night) JoL still seems to favor rapid attacks over slow ones (our rogue had 303 procs while our Frostfire Mage had less than 60), making it much more finicky than a healer.
JoL should be seen as a very useful effective health buffer for the raid's DPS, but never as an "extra healer", regardless of HPS (which I also feel is a bad measure of a healer's actual effectiveness).
JoL truly shines on a fight like Hard Mode Vezax, our healers try to stick to the tank as much as possible and let dpsers heal themselves on JoL. I figure any fight with low raid damage can follow that method as well.
Auto self cast isn't really a great idea if you use hand of protection a split second too late and the target dies it will auto cast on you. Atleast that was my impression of the feature. I also remember getting alot of paladins to stop using it paticularly on felmyst where BoP was invaluable on shaman healers...
If you have issues with targeting various abilities, consider utilizing unit frames with click to cast functionality (I personally use Click2cast). You can then use your abilities by a key combination to avoid accidentally casting them on yourself as well as not losing your current target, thereby a net dps increase. BoP, HoSal, Cleanse, and SS are notable casts that shine using this method of spell casting/targeting.
This allows you to enable auto-selfcast and save macro space, all the while increasing your efficiency.
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If you have issues with targeting various abilities, consider utilizing unit frames with click to cast functionality (I personally use Click2cast). You can then use your abilities by a key combination to avoid accidentally casting them on yourself as well as not losing your current target, thereby a net dps increase. BoP, HoSal, Cleanse, and SS are notable casts that shine using this method of spell casting/targeting.
This allows you to enable auto-selfcast and save macro space, all the while increasing your efficiency.
Sorry no I don't have this problem I was pointing out a flaw people missed out, people read these boards and take on ideas such as turning auto selfcast on and then because they aren't using clique (or click2cast or healbot i believe have the same functionality) or have a macro they find they end up doing silly things.
Small side note im not sure about click2cast but with clique you can not cleanse mind control that is done by yogg-saron (this is the part where someone says you can't cleanse it) You can cleanse it if you target the player directly im unsure about mouse over macros or atleast recount reports it as removing the debuff.
With all this macro talk, I don't understand why people don't simply use modifier keys for self cast.
ALT is my self cast modifier key. Any regular ability or macro pressed while ALT is held down is self cast. I believe this offers a lot more control than turning on "auto self-cast" since you retain control over what happens regardless of what you're currently targeting or whether your target switches/dies.
It's also a lot more comfortable than creating macros for each and every ability if the only thing you want to add is self cast functionality and it does work with any SHIFT+ or CTRL+ or even SHIFT+CTRL+ macros.
Finally you can still explicitly add ALT as a modifier in macros for abilities that don't have a self cast function so you don't lose ALT as a modifier key overall.
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