Ah, when I was looking at it he still had pendulum of infinity as the neck. That makes sense then.

I got 6761 for human and 6750 for Dwarf (I had too much expertise on the Human set, Dwarf looks good). I updated the post.
Comet's is 720 (tooltip is wrong) haste for 10sec/45 sec ICD, with 15% to proc.

Rasputin replied quickly, but ya, you missed the change to Frigid Strength probably. I originally mess up the item ID and had to go back and edit it, so you may have checked it before I had changed it to Frigid strength from Pendulum.

Oh wow, I was extremely late on it, sorry was writing the post in between Freya Hard attempts and kept missing little changes I was trying to make. Thanks for the update on that Comet Fr, I was wondering how I should model it.

I played around with the new comet's trail trinket that was revealed, and i got this :

Tentative BiS Horde (hard-mode)

Head Conqueror's Aegis Helm ( 21 crit, 20 str)
Neck Frigid Strength of Hodir (27 str)
Shoulders Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates (16 hit)
Chest Embrace of the Gladiator ( 8hit-8 exp, 16 str, 16 str)
Waist Soul-Devouring Cinch (3x 16 str)
Legs Conqueror's Aegis Legplates (16 str, 27 str) 32 AP
Feet Sabotons of lifeless night (8hit-8exp, 16 str)
Wrist Solar Bindings (16 hit, 16 str)
Hands Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets (2x 16 str)

Finger1 Sif's Promise
Finger2 Seal of the Betrayed King (27 str)

Trinket1 Comet's trail (assuming 720 haste 15% proc 10s/45s )
Trinket2 Darkmoon Card: Greatness

Back Drape of the Faceless General (16 str, 8hit-8exp)
MainHand Dark Edge of Depravity (2x 16 str)
Ranged Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

Now, i can't make RAWR 2.2.5 work (it crashes when it starts), so i'm using 2.2.6, and i can't compare my numbers with what you get, since i don't have the correct version. Someone will need to try this setup in 2.2.5 to confirm it does beat the current BiS for Horde.

Thanks!

I always use the newest Rawr (which is 2.2.6) unless it has problems, 2.2.5 worked for me. Running your set was 20 dps below the current set, having to gem for another 1% hit makes a big difference.

In the hard-mode human setup on the first page you forgot to switch the [Godbane Signet] over to the [Bladebearer's Signet], all though it is correct in the file you can download.

Draenei are the lowest number of Paladins, so making a list for them isn't the best idea. If you have no idea what to pick from, use the Human and Blood Elf lists to figure it out.

Unfortunately, about 5 items that are BiS are not in Wowhead, so you have to manually enter the stats for those, for non-hard mode all items are known. Also, the settings have to be exactly the same.

Im begining to have less faith in the accuacy of these lists. Running the Optimizer today after getting Malygos quest drop it lowered my dps, but keeping the old gear and simply equiping the neck made it higher.
Also had the same problem with your list. Favor of the Dragon Queen still beats Insurmountable Fervor, even though with only 1 dps.
Edit: Metallic Loop of the Sufferer also beats out Strenght of the Automaton with 1 dps.

What way have you taken to maintain the lists?

These lists are using every item possible (using the options listed). The Maly neck is 1 dps better than the Insurmountable , but I only had it with one list (the Human non-hard mode). Since non-hard mode items are 100% known, there is no need to change non-hard mode lists.

I like stamina, so prefer Insurmountable over Favor personally (I will drop 1 dps overall for 42 AP (for more JoL healing) and 9 stamina), but to remain BiS I changed it, interestedly the dps didn't change.

Seems like the value of sockets is going up in 3.2 : World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Upcoming Epic Gems and Profession Changes

I am predicting that BS/JC will still be the best (since the other professions will likely be just more attack power/crit/bigger rockets, while champions will remain more strength). At least the gap should decrease.

Except that the professions are getting buffs. Dragon's Eye stat boost, ring enchant boost, etc. Its possible though unlikely at this point that other professions may edge out JC/BS as the best two options from a pure dps perspective. No one is disputing the obvious fact that as gems improve so do the value of sockets on gear.

No, it's not possible, unless they make an error in itemization/stat distribution. The rule is that you get a fixed amount of AP or SP from a given crafting profession. With AP, however, we have a choice with JC and BS to get strength instead of AP. Since strength is always far more than 2x as good as us, even though it only costs 2x the itemization of AP, any profession that allows us to get STR (only BS/JC atm) will be best without question.

With JC/BS being the generally dominant professions for every class regardless of stat modifier, I'm still holding out hope that they might actually balance those allotted SP/AP values between professions. I don't see things changing, (based on what little was in the blue post,) but technically its still speculation. Maybe they'll throw in some BoP craftables again, who knows.

It's shouldn't be so hard for them to add say 57 STR fur lunging in LW, if they want so hard for professions to be equal, and players to not be forced into profession for max performance. The problem is that the current bonuses are based on the enchant you would get if you didn't had LW, Inscription etc.

The real threat for BS/JC superiority by me, comes from the new Alchemy infinite flasks. It will have STR according to the blue post, and will save tons and tons of gold.

"Added a new pattern for Flask of the North, usable by players with a high alchemy skill. The recipe is purchased from the honor potion vendor. The Flask of the North increases your spell power, attack power, or Strength for 1 hour, and is usable in arenas. It is not consumed when used."

I guess it will be amount of STR equal of the current endless rage bonus+profession bonus, all that in pure strength.

Seeing how mixology was stated to be receiving a buff and the pvp pots chemists were using in arena taken away I would say the flask of the north will be inferior and be something strictly for arena.

Much like the vindication change they find it unfair for a chemist to be able to pot in arena and heal when healers are so powerful atm. Instead they are replacing it with something that slightly increases ur damage.

It makes sense they would have to address a pvp solution for chemist and engineers this patch cause all other professions gain a constant passive bonus in pvp while these ones do not.

Long story short mixology is a pve buff the new flask is a pvp only buff

This has been gone over numerous times in this thread when questions of leather itemization are brought up. Next time, please read the WHOLE thread, or at least the 5 most recent pages.

To answer your question, it is because of how leather is itemized compared to plate. A penalty exists in ilvl itemization for stacking a given stat. As such, leather with its 5 stats (agi, stam, ap, and crit/expertise in this case) has more effective DPS stats as a plate item (str, stam, crit, expertise) has. So while the AP on the leather item may be slightly lower, it has far more crit (due to the combination of agi and crit rating) and in this case an easier socket bonus to hit (two 16str gems +12 ap > a 16str, 8str/8crit + 6 str). That being said these items are close, and your guild shouldn't be giving you that belt over rogues or hunters if the officers want to optimize raid dps.

Frmmorrison,

I messed around with your "BiS List for Hard Mode + All Items" a bit and I was able to put 2 more dps.

I removed any expertise gems (ones in your gloves)
I changed the bold dragon's eye gem in leggings to Precise dragon's eye
I removed the 8 str 8 hit gem in cloak.
I put in an 8 str 8 crit gem in shoulders.

This came out to 6673 dps.

I also found a dps set that negates 4 piece bonus and uses the new algalon trinket that comes out to 6679 dps. I will post it later.

Okay, this is what i came up with.

Obsidian Greathelm
Pendulum of Infinity
Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Drape of the Faceless General
Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Armabnds of Bedlam
Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Belt of the Titans
Conqueror's Aegis Legplates
Battelord's Plate Boots
Sif's Promise
Godbane Signet
Darkmoon Card Greatness (str)
Blood Of The Old God
Voldrethar, Dark Blade Of Oblivion
Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

Socketed everything with 16 str and an 8 str 8 hit in shoulders. (etched Monarch Topaz)
*edit* Sorry also a JC/BS. and a 27 str in helm,legs,belt. the extra BS sockets have 16 str/

With this setup i came up with 7039 DPS. I used all the same stuff as the OP did

There is no way you are getting 7k dps out of that. You may have more than 2 professions or do not have the same settings as the files in the OP. Try downloading a file first, then modifying it.

You need to fix the JC gem in helmet, it's a DPS loss as the socket bonus is 8 STR and a Sovereign Twilight Opal would best reside there.

Let me know how to upload a file and I'll be happy to show you all.