I must have misread the dps number. I updated the listing.

So, I deleted all my rawr folder and re-downloaded the new 2.2.8 version. Dled again the files and upon loading then and fixing some itens (like the Solar Bindings and Comet's Fall) I got DPS numbers much, much closer to what's shown at the sets in the first page, like numbers 5-7ish dps close and I assume that variance is due to slot bonuses.

I assume my Rawr was somehow corrupet or calculating something wrong and making this fixed the problem.

2.2.9 holds wowhead copies of comet's trial and solar bindings. This version puts the BiS profile at 6656 for me.

I had the wrong numbers on Comet's trail, I fixed it.

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Fight Parameters:

Length: 6 min
Below 20%: 18%
Bloodlust: Checked, but not in the Buffs tab, only in fight parameters
Stacked Trinks Reset: 1
Targets: 1
Consecrate Effectiveness: 100%

Rotation: CS>HoW>Judge>Divine Storm>Consecration>Exorcism
Delay: .10
Wait: .05

Profs are JC + BS.

All buffs but focus magic and amp magic on target.

Helm: [Conqueror's Aegis Helm] - [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]+ [Bold Stormjewel] - [Arcanum of Torment]
Neck: [Pendulum of Infinity] - [Bold Scarlet Ruby]
Shoulders: [Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates] - [Etched Monarch Topaz] - [Greater Inscription of the Axe]
Back: [Drape of the Faceless General] - [Bold Scarlet Ruby] + [Etched Monarch Topaz] - Greater Speed
Chest: [Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate] - 2x [Etched Monarch Topaz] - Powerful Stats
Wrists: [Solar Bindings] - [Etched Monarch Topaz] + [Bold Scarlet Ruby] - Greater Assault
Gloves: [Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets] - 2x [Bold Scarlet Ruby] - Crusher
Waist: [Soul-Devouring Cinch] - 3x [Bold Scarlet Ruby]
Legs: [Plated Leggings of Ruination] - [Etched Monarch Topaz] + [Bold Scarlet Ruby] + [Bold Dragon's Eye] - [Icescale Leg Armor]
Feet: [Footpads of Silence] - 2x [Bold Scarlet Ruby] - Icewalker
Ring 1: [Seal of the Betrayed King] - [Bold Dragon's Eye]
Ring 2: [Sif's Promise]
Trinket 1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] (+90 Str version)
Trinket 2: Comet's Trail
Ranged: [Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude]
Weapon: [Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion] -[Design: Bold Scarlet Ruby] + [Precise Dragon's Eye] - Berserking

Main difference is the one dragon's eye used for Precise instead of Bold in Voldrethar or any of the Dragon's Eye slots.

231 hit, 210 expertise rating. DPS is 6590.

After adding Sabatons of Lifeless Night, I get a setup @ 6618 using no tier pieces, but I don't like it as much. Uses a couple hit+expertise gems as well as a precise dragon's eye.

Don't feel like doing what I just did here above, so if you want to see, I uploaded the profile here: No Tier Gear Profile Download

edit again: I was using humanoid for the mob type, which seems to be the reason why the dps was higher than other profiles. I ended up getting a setup @ 6811 dps on humanoids, similar to what I linked @ 6804; can't tell exactly what changed. It gets 6618 on "Other" mob types.

The one with 4/5 gets 6590.

edit once again: With the OP's setup, I get a maximum of 6604. As hard as I try, I can't produce the same dps results as before with the optimizer... weird.

Still get 6679 with BiS Dwarf, 6699 if i correct the Comet's Trail to 726 haste rating - which it probably is.

Hi. Don't post often mostly because I'm afraid to. But I was wondering if anyone had measured out the viability in using the 21 agility meta, and the sirens tear in a blue socket. So one can afford to use all red strength gems.

It may be more worthwhile in 3.2 but in 3.1 I haven't gone into rawr to see any dps change. Especially with the upcoming jewelcrafting change.

Currently, as posted in first post, Siren's Tear + all strength gems is the way to go without JC gems (assuming you had hit/exp cap from gear).

In 3.2, the likely best setup is using the new epic gems, like the 10 strength/15 stamina (that is better 6 to all stats) for your blue then hope there is an item with a red/yellow socket bonus item to fill in the yellow requirement.

In 3.2 the 21 agi meta will probably be the way to go but I doubt Sirens tear will be unless blizzard introduces an upgraded version of it. The epic 10 str + stam gem will probably out weigh the +6 all stats siren's tear. I could be wrong though.

Ah, I didn't think about the new sovereign gem. Someone should be less lazy than me and do some math :P

Comet's Trail - Spell - World of Warcraft

Later versions of Rawr don't automaticly 'enable' items for the optimiser when you equip them (or at least not for me :p ). You may want to double check if you have enabled all relevant items.

If anyone is up to it, I wouldn't mind seeing a BiS list using 10 man hard mode but not 25 man hard mode.

I would recommend using Rawr and finding it yourself. Things become too subjective. For example. You get emblems of conquest from 10 man hard modes so you could have 2 pieces of tier 8.5 and two pieces of just tier 8. In reality we cannot have a BIS for all situations.

My advice would to take either the Plate Priority or All Items non-hard list (depending if you can take agiliy/AP gear) then edit it (change the T8.5 to T8, then whatever hard mode items you have access to (some good 10-hard items are the Sword off XT, ring off IC, Neck/Trinket/belt off Agalon), then add the hit trinket from FL if necessary.

Since 10 man gear can be so variable (you could have got some T8.5 from VoA, some 226 items from Naxx25 or Maly25, have an Arena weapon, and/or 226 crafted plate belt or crafted leather boots with orbs from hard modes), it isn't worth listing one in the OP.

Once you have one, I can help you tweak it if you post the file.

I think he meant 10 man hard, 25 man easy mode, which would just exclude the hardmode-only Ulduar 25 items. Not all that variable, and the badge items would of course be available. I'll probably try to make a list like this later tonight, I've been meaning to do it for myself for a while.

You can play around with Rawr, but it's going to tell you what a bunch of people are sadly aware of: the earthshaper may look decent on paper (speed, str-based) but the fact that it has 70 hit rating, especially as an alliance paladin, makes it one of the worst choices when it comes to ulduar weapons. Unless you are sorely lacking proper gear in many other slots, you should already be at or near hit cap (since it's your #1 priority with stats), and there really isn't any nice gear shuffle you can make without being significantly over/under the hit cap OR gimping your other slots. Aesir's Edge is the second best weapon for (alliance) ret pallies in ulduar, it's basically a mini voldrethar.

If you have a shot at [Earthshaper] then my guess would be you aren't far off from or are already capable of getting [Hammer of Crushing Whispers] which is the direction I was forced into because of the RNG on our drops, Slightly less crit and hit but 2 more sockets to stack up that Strength and I'm over hit yes but it will change when I get [Sif's Promise].

It very much depend on the exact level of gear available to you. Personally I've found that if I create an optimal set of gear based on all the hard modes my guild has downed (10 and 25), Earthshaper comes out on top. Now there's also a period of time where Aesir's comes out on top but I won't have access to Voldrethar yet, though it's unclear whether it'll be more time from here to there or there to Voldrethar. In short, the answer is going to be highly dependent on your particular guild, both are solid weapons and you can get similar DPS building around either of them, with the difference generally no more than 20 DPS or so in either direction. Really, you can't go wrong either way.

As 6str bonuses are common, I'll assume for the intents and purposes of this post the comparison of 21 agility and 21 crit metas assuming all strength gemming and a 6str socket bonus to get your metas.

21 agility meta - You only have to use a Siren's tear for your meta requirement.

6 stats (meta covered) - With this gem being prismatic it gains the socket bonus of all sockets, therefore getting a 6str bonus.

so 6str + 6 agility + 6str socket bonus = 12str and 6 agility + 10 strength over the 2nd sovereign twilight opal by using a bold cardinal ruby.

12str + 6 agility
20 strength

Total = 32 strength + 6 agility

all other gems in the gear can be 20 strength gems.

21 crit meta - Using 2 x sovereign twilight opal. 10str, 15 stamina.

10str + 6str bonus = 16str
10str + 6str bonus = 16str

Total = 32 strength

My question is if 32 strength and 6 agility with an agility meta will outweigh -6 agility and a 21crit meta.

With 3.1 values and gear capacity. I'll pretty much be copying pasting this into the 3.2 thread also unless there is a problem with that. I'm aware the values of agility and crit scale differently and the difference may be less impactfull in 3.2 Please correct me if I miscalculated something.

Seems pretty obvious: you're ultimately comparing 27 agi to 21 crit rating. In order for crit to win out it'd have to be worth over 25% more per point than agility. Nothing in 3.2 is going to change the crit % conversions for Agi or crit rating, so the 21 Agi meta will be the better option, just as it is for non-JCs right now.

Nightmare Tear added to PTR as an upgrade to Siren's Tear.

Discuss.