Nightmare Tear added to PTR as an upgrade to Siren's Tear.
Discuss.
I believe the gem makes the 21 agility meta a shoe in. Especially with the changes upcoming in 3.2 and redcapes new stat values.
Str is the way to go, and using this gem for meta req's so that more str gems can be used everywhere else, this makes the agility meta and gem style king.
There is a new +10 to all stats gem on the PTR (to replace the Tear), so that settles what is best in 3.2 (use that gem and then all Strength/hit if necessary gems, while using the 21 agility meta).
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
There is a new +10 to all stats gem on the PTR (to replace the Tear), so that settles what is best in 3.2 (use that gem and then all Strength/hit if necessary gems, while using the 21 agility meta).
I don't see what the new gem has to do with meta gem selection. Obviously, you will want to use it, giving you one blue gem, but that was required for either meta anyway. The tradeoff will still be whether you want to socket another blue gem and use the better meta, or use only red/yellow gems and use the worse meta. It will still depend on whether you have socket bonuses from blue sockets that are good enough.
I don't see what the new gem has to do with meta gem selection. Obviously, you will want to use it, giving you one blue gem, but that was required for either meta anyway. The tradeoff will still be whether you want to socket another blue gem and use the better meta, or use only red/yellow gems and use the worse meta. It will still depend on whether you have socket bonuses from blue sockets that are good enough.
Before the new +10 to all stats gem there was the +6 version which non-jcers are currently using to get the meta requirements for the 21agi meta. This is because +6 to all stats is current betterly than 8str/12sta for the blue requirement however with the epic gems in 3.2 10str/15sta is better than +6 all stats. So non-jc players were planning on a purple and orange epic gem to get the requirements, but with the new +10 stats found today changes that again.
Dont forget that the important thing about our meta gem is the increased 3% crit damage not the fact that it is 21 crit vs 21 agility. I think too many people in this game see the word Crit and say OMG!!! when crit for a Ret pally is really lackluster the disparity between it and str, exp or hit is huge and it is not much better than haste, agi or armpen. The exta crit only carries over to Exo really and with raid buffs etc Agility is pretty dang close to crit.
Now if we get more than one blue or yellow socket bonus which is really good (would have to be at least 10 str) then maybe we can use the meta but I would not count on it Blizz fails with socket bonuses.
Perhaps this has already been answered, but has anyone attempted to figure out the average DPS contribution of the three different tentacles from the [Vanquished Clutches of Yogg-Saron] trinket (in addition to the 136 crit rating)?
Well the Might item you linked has hit and in the BiS lists hit is not useful, while adding more AP is always useful.
That said, since you likely don't have all items that makeup the BiS list you are looking at, Might may be "your" BiS necklace.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
So I checked nearly everything for the Optimizer, and had it sort through it all, and came out with 7305 dps. >.> I made sure the settings are correct; BS/JC, 6 min, Other mob type, 2x trinket reset, all the right buffs, and so on. Interesting things: it's a Blood Elf, it foregoes 4pt8 for hard mode stuff, and it gems hit... frankly, this is all screwing with my head. What the heck am I missing here that is causing this DPS to be so high? Or is this somehow right?
Over the weekend I downloaded and Re downloaded the BIS .XML file several times and it is including the Inscriptionist shoulder enchant every time. I took that off and I got a DPS number of around 6,647. I achieved the same number by building the same exact build from scratch just to double check
Edit: to clarify it is the leather and plate BIS list. Still BIS over the former one but by not as wide of a margin
Over the weekend I downloaded and Re downloaded the BIS .XML file several times and it is including the Inscriptionist shoulder enchant every time. I took that off and I got a DPS number of around 6,647. I achieved the same number by building the same exact build from scratch just to double check
Edit: to clarify it is the leather and plate BIS list. Still BIS over the former one but by not as wide of a margin
Doh, I mess up a lot. The dps number listed on the OP was correct, but the xml file did have the Inscription enchant. I uploaded a new file.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
Doh, I mess up a lot. The dps number listed on the OP was correct, but the xml file did have the Inscription enchant. I uploaded a new file.
Minor detail, but the BiS.xml file you have posted can be "optimized" even more by switching around a few gems. In the helm, there's currently a str/crit gem. Swap that with a Bold Dragon's Eye (to keep the +8 str socket bonus), netting you -8 crit, +19 str (=27 - 8). Then in the boots, change the gems to double Bold Scarlet Rubies, netting you -8 crit, -7 str. Net/net, your total is -16 crit, +12 str.
Then in the shoulders, cloak, and bracers, swap the following:
Shoulders, swap from str/hit to all str, losing the +4 socket bonus, net of +8 str, -12 hit.
Cloak, swap the str/crit to str/hit, net of -8 crit, +8 hit.
Bracers, swap the str/str to str/hit, gaining +4 agi socket bonus, net of -8 str, +8 hit, +4 agi.
Total net/net is -24 crit, +4 hit, +12 str, +4 agi. With this setup, Rawr shows 6656 DPS. Just a 2 DPS gain, but still...
Total net/net is -24 crit, +4 hit, +12 str, +4 agi. With this setup, Rawr shows 6656 DPS. Just a 2 DPS gain, but still...
My Rawr shows 6656 DPS for that BiS.xml profile, however I did mess with gems and got 6,661 dps.
Last edited by frmorrison : 07/17/09 at 1:37 AM.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
I loaded the current BiS list from the OP and played around a little bit with it... The set up I came up with is a little below expertise cap, but removing a 16 expertise gem actually yielded a higher DPS.
Just swapped the cloaks and switched to all strength gems.
There is a bug in the file (I hope I got rid of it) in that an Inscription shoulder enchanted item is in there, so I assume you loaded shoulders with that enchant (extra 64 ap). The set can get better by 5 dps by swapping gems, or you can get the 5 less dps by using the Icy Intent instead of the 10-man GV cloak and all strength gems.
Uploaded a new file.
Last edited by frmorrison : 07/17/09 at 1:32 AM.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
There is a bug in the file (I hope I got rid of it) in that an Inscription shoulder enchanted item is in there, so I assume you loaded shoulders with that enchant (extra 64 ap). The set can get better by 5 dps by swapping gems, or you can get the 5 less dps by using the Icy Intent instead of the 10-man GV cloak and all strength gems.
Uploaded a new file.
No, I changed the shoulder enchant to the regular 40ap/15crit. It did have the inscription one, in which case I was at 6779 dps.
I have a 6663 profile here, based on the old BiS with the steelbreaker shoulders, but instead of using the hodir neck, it uses the general hard mode one. The lack of hit is then compensated by putting 8 hit 8 expertise in the cloak yellow socket, and 8 hit 8 strenght in the bracer. (thus, also solving the expertise issue that the set with the Hodir neck used to have, but couldn't gem for, since there sadly is no 8 str 8 exp gem)
It moves the dragon's eye from the neck (used to be 4str, now 4 agi) to the sword (6 crit).
More hit, TONS more crit, and you only sacrifice around 30 ap and haste, which is a mediocre stat compared to crit. Yay for 64 stam instead of 126 stam?
Whats with all the BIS lists using DMC:Greatness with Agi on it?
It is supposed to be the Strength one. Its just that on these forums you link items by name and it has no way of knowing which one you meant, so it just chooses one of them.
07/07/09, 9:02 PM
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