A lot of people are including one stormjewel in the setups but the OP does not reflect that either. With how close some of the "optimal" Dps sets are going maybe the OP can be updated to state whether or not a Stormjewel should be allowed or not.
A lot of people are including one stormjewel in the setups but the OP does not reflect that either. With how close some of the "optimal" Dps sets are going maybe the OP can be updated to state whether or not a Stormjewel should be allowed or not.
From the OP:
"Always use [Bold Scarlet Ruby] and one [Bold Stormjewel]"
4 strength is like 7 dps more, anyway I am fairly certain I put a stormjewel in each file.
For Humans, I put up a BiS list for you guys.
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No, I don't like how Rawr accounts for Bloodlust so I didn't include it in the options. I should update the post to reflect that.
Rawr by default calculates the average value of Bloodlust over the fight regardless of what settings you enable. Enabling the Bloodlust buff computes how much dps you would do if Bloodlust was up 100% of the time. Which is why it is in "Temporary Buffs" and is not enabled by default.
You had heroic presence and the inscription shoulder enchant, without those both I got 6548 dps, which is less than the leading 6560 dps.
Yes the optimizer probably putted the inscription and i did't noticed, but the heroic presence is inactive. I even double checked in the xml file.
I uploaded the setup again, this time with the right enchant. This setup gives me 6.569 DPS in Rawr (if i turn on heroic presence it gives 6.578). Can you check it please?
If you change your buff from Flametongue Weapon (144+21 sp) to Totem of Wrath (280 sp) you should see some increases. I didn't think of it before now that those buffs aren't the same, and it puts my Dwarf BiS up to 6609. It also put's the human BiS (which I couldn't help but notice is a direct copy/paste of mine, except race and weapon ^^) up to 6630.
Yes the optimizer probably putted the inscription and i did't noticed, but the heroic presence is inactive. I even double checked in the xml file.
I uploaded the setup again, this time with the right enchant. This setup gives me 6.569 DPS in Rawr (if i turn on heroic presence it gives 6.578). Can you check it please?
I got 6576 dps, 9 dps more than the one I had. I added it to the top of the list.
The Humans are @6630 dps now that I fixed the Totem issue (the other setups had ToW already).
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
I got 6590 and updated the OP, however I don't know what Dark Edge's socket bonus is, so that would add 0-4 dps depending what stat it turns out to be.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
Is it possible for us to get a Non-Hardmode Plate/Leather BiS list? Just for us who haven't gotten hard mode on farm yet but are still progressing nicely through Ulduar
I know that many were reluctant to start this thread until we knew all the items in Ulduar. With the release of hardmode items of bosses like Yogg Saron who had not been downed at the time from the Armory it seemed like all items had been revealed.
If you read today's post on mmo-champion two new items were discovered from both hard mode hodir and hard mode iron council.
Not saying to stop researching BIS we have quite a bit of the items discovered, but just putting out a warning that there may be some items not yet discovered which could cause us to have to swap in or out different pieces.
I know that many were reluctant to start this thread until we knew all the items in Ulduar. With the release of hardmode items of bosses like Yogg Saron who had not been downed at the time from the Armory it seemed like all items had been revealed.
If you read today's post on mmo-champion two new items were discovered from both hard mode hodir and hard mode iron council.
Not saying to stop researching BIS we have quite a bit of the items discovered, but just putting out a warning that there may be some items not yet discovered which could cause us to have to swap in or out different pieces.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit more loot that hasn't been discovered. There's reportedly close to 800 drops in Ulduar alone, and including set gear there's only been about half of that number discovered.
Unless they were lying about the initial number, I'd say there's much left to be revealed.
EDIT: Personally, I'm more interested in the Non-Hard mode loot lists currently. I'd say a majority of the undiscovered loot is going to be from hard modes, and having a BiS normal modes set will make any attempts into Hard Modes that much easier.
This setup gives me 6649dps as a human jewelcrafter and blacksmith.
I get a lower dps with your setup than the current highest 6630 dps.
Originally Posted by Heck
Honestly, I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit more loot that hasn't been discovered. There's reportedly close to 800 drops in Ulduar alone, and including set gear there's only been about half of that number discovered.
A rough guess says there are around 500 items currently seen. I feel they miscounted. However, if new items are found and they turn out to be better dps than before, then the list will be changed.
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I checked your file, and it doesn't come close even with the cloak enchant. You also had it set for Humanoid mob, 5 minute fight, and 0 trinket stacks resetting.
Seriously, if people are going to post their idea of the BiS list, please use the information in the OP. 6 minute fight, 2 trinket resets, Other type mob... Changing stuff like this messes up any comparison.
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I checked your file, and it doesn't come close even with the cloak enchant. You also had it set for Humanoid mob, 5 minute fight, and 0 trinket stacks resetting.
Seriously, if people are going to post their idea of the BiS list, please use the information in the OP. 6 minute fight, 2 trinket resets, Other type mob... Changing stuff like this messes up any comparison.
My apologies I overlooked that part of the post. I'll make adjustments.
Regretfully in 2.2.2 trinket stacks resetting does nothing. I was changing how trinket procs were calculated (to take into account fight length), and initially left out the effect of stack resets. Then the 2.2.2 was released before I got a chance to implement it back in.
Bellator's spreadsheet isn't agreeing with Rawr in this case, as it has the previous BiS setup superior to the new BiS setup. Might just be a difference with the way the two tools calculate DPS, since the difference isn't too significant.
Bellator's spreadsheet isn't agreeing with Rawr in this case, as it has the previous BiS setup superior to the new BiS setup. Might just be a difference with the way the two tools calculate DPS, since the difference isn't too significant.
That is partly why I left the former BiS list up. 30 dps means it is too close to call.
Originally Posted by Lazaren
Non-hard mode, plate only BiS set for Humans with BS/JC. Includes Heroic Presence.
6312 DPS
Changed it a little bit by using the BoE leather boots, it is only a 5 dps upgrade though.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
As an aside question, when loading one's gearset in Rawr and looking at items, should one be ever refreshing the item data from either Armory to Wowhead? It seems when I refresh data from one to the other, the dps numbers vary in certain slots.
As an aside question, when loading one's gearset in Rawr and looking at items, should one be ever refreshing the item data from either Armory to Wowhead? It seems when I refresh data from one to the other, the dps numbers vary in certain slots.
It is better to avoid using the armory since it doesn't show socket bonuses. However, wowhead doesn't have all the items yet.
When using the armory, you have to manually add the socket bonus.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
Should I conclude from the first post that using Steelbreaker's Embrace and Conqueror's Aegis Legplates is better than using Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate together with Plated Leggings of Ruination?
Should I conclude from the first post that using Steelbreaker's Embrace and Conqueror's Aegis Legplates is better than using Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate together with Plated Leggings of Ruination?
Those lists are using every item in the game, except there are different scenarios that restrict what is chosen. That is why some people don't like BiS lists, because you need to get every item for it to be the best in slot.
So those plates may be your Best In Slot until you get all the items in the list.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
05/05/09, 7:58 PM
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