The highest I've seen the FoL hot tick for is around 600 which is, in a word, useless.

It's not useless at all. + I ment like use the proper spell for proper situation instead of just spamming.

It is not that useless, because the hot ticks at least one time. At least I have not seen it not tick when spamming FoL. That means that FoL spamming on SS targets receives a boost of about 8%.

In regards to the TbtL spec, I found that spec'ing 2 points into Guarded by the Light for 100% uptime on Divine Plea is way too amazing. If one gemmed all spellpower and reached upwards of 2.7k SP, HL crits while in TbtL would hit for about 17k+(?) with the 50% reduction in mind. Non crits would hit for considerably less, but I haven't done extensive testing yet. With this you could theoretically HL spam to death and never go under 90% mana assuming there's always a target to hit.

CLCBPT is a fantastic, lightweight addon for tracking BoL/SS/JotW/FolH.

What Spellpower do you have?

With a ~6k crit of FoL my HoT ticks for 900ish.

For a 6k FoL, the HoT will tick for 500. Every tick is a 12th of the power of your FoL.

With wings and crits you can get easily 900 ticks, those would be much easier to get with 4t9 bonus.

I was watching my combatlog parse from yogg+1 kill and i took a look at my JoL heal.

And it's not only once.

Well, "Rephaim" is a dps, and it is not possible counting 2% of his max HP (increased by the presence of one keeper) to get such a number. Is JoL affect by Divinity or other heal increase talent?

Yes. Paladins with Divinity have a 5% stronger JoL and in addition, they receive 5% more healing from JoL.

Well, even despite the nerf int is still better than mp5.

Let's neglect crit and all the extra heailing from int for the moment and just compare 121 int (BoK+talent) vs 50 mp5 for effectiveness.

1. 50 mp5 = 600 mana per minute

2. 121 int = 1815 mana, replenishment will give 12% mana back, DP will give 15%, so per minute those two will restore 490 mana. Now just two SoW ticks will give extra 144 mana thus making int better than mp5 for mana restore. And this is not counting initial benefit of 1815 mana that requires 3 min of mp5 to catch up. Even if you don't SoW and plea not often, then mp5 will require a lot of time to catch int with mana provided over the fight because of int initial mana. Plus int provides extra sp and crit not to be neglected.

In essence - int is plain out better than mp5, so for example sp/int is better than sp/mp5 gem (unless fight is stupidly long and you don't plea and SoW and have no replenishment up).

Not sure if this has been brought up, but fol hot is currently bugged

1. Double dips MS. ie: 4000 crit fol though MS, ticks for 100-200ish.
2. Hot strength gets overridden by non crit heals that follows the crit heal. ie: 8000 crit fol lands--> first tick around 800--> 4000 non-crit fol lands --> then start ticking for 300-400.

The FoL HoT is coded as a separate heal (it is like casting Renew), so MS "double dipping" would require a recode of the effect.

The FoL HoT being overwritten by the next FoL HoT is likely working as intended. I reported it a few times in the PTR.

If it double-dips MS, does it double-dip AW too?

If so then using a flash with AW up would generate quite a powerful hot!

The HoT is supposed to be redone regardless if the following FoL is crit or not? I find it hard to believe.... since FoL non-crit by it self doesn't proc any hots.

It would make a lot of sense if they make Non-crit FoL roll hots too.

FoL causes a HoT regardless of whehter or not it is a crit.

I can confirm that the FoL HoT does indeed double-dip from AW. Will post a parse once WWS decides to notice overheal.

If 800-900 is powerful, yeah. Also, it double dips Divinity too.

20:46:49> [Ungulant's] [Flash of Light] heals [Ungulant] for 0.(6901 Overhealed) (Critical)
20:46:49> [Ungulant's] [Flash of Light] is refreshed on [Ungulant].
20:46:49> [Ungulant] gains 92 Mana from [Ungulant's] [Illumination].
20:46:50> [Ungulant] gains 0 Health from [Ungulant's] [Flash of Light].(761 Overhealed)

6900 / 12 * 1.2 * 1.10 = 759

You're wrong. The multiplier is 1.95 for TbtL. To get 17k crits, you'd need almost 17k hits of HL without Divine Plea. You would need about 6k spell power to get that high.

Also, has anyone noticed this kind of behaviour from [Tears of the Vanquished]:

20:59:38> [Ungulant] gains [Ungulant's] [Beacon of Light].
20:59:38> [Ungulant] casts [Beacon of Light] at [Ungulant].
20:59:41> [Ungulant] gains 500 Mana from [Ungulant's] [Mana Mana].
21:00:39> [Ungulant] gains 500 Mana from [Ungulant's] [Mana Mana].
21:01:08> [Ungulant's] [Beacon of Light] fades from [Ungulant].

I can second it in the sense that something is definately going on. I have not had time to get an accurate WWS on it (but should be able to in the near future) but have noticed while doing chain heroics the animation proc goes off while beacon is up, but I have not cast a spell in the last few seconds. This usually happens between pulls.

I can also vouch for this happening on my Paladin (Alkiitoo) also. While Beacon is up, I see this proc with no action. This is also happening between pulls. Not to mention, it only happens when I apply BoL to myself. I'm not seeing anything in the combat log of it applying this to the Prot Paladin tank when it procs on me though. Hell, I dunno ...

I love the trinket though.


My question (off topic) is:

What is the order of importance now after the changes to Illumination stat/gear wise?

Int>Haste>MP5>Crit ?

In this scenario, was it merely a log error or was it essentially giving you a free BoL cast?
Also with this, any indication of it resetting the internal cooldown on the item if it has one?

Quick question for the TBtL pallys who have been posting recently:

Are you gemming for stam or for straight sp? and Why?

Maybe a hidden buff being applied to a party member when he walks within 60 yards of you?