Exemplar, how are you separating white melee hits, Blood Corruption, and seal procs? I'm still white attacking and spamming Divine Storm when I can for the WoL upload, but my combat log usually reads:

Expert's Training Dummy suffers 1 Holy damage from Charmin's Blood Corruption.(1216 Overkill)
Charmin's melee swing hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Physical.(2588 Overkill)
Charmin's Blood Corruption is refreshed on Expert's Training Dummy.
Charmin's Seal of Corruption hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Holy.(1179 Overkill)
Charmin gains 12 Mana from Charmin's Replenishment.
Charmin gains Charmin's Greatness.
Charmin gains Charmin's Paragon.
Charmin casts Divine Storm!.
Charmin casts Divine Storm.
Charmin's Divine Storm hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Physical.(2626 Overkill)
Charmin's Seal of Corruption hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Holy.(218 Overkill)
Charmin gains Charmin's Paragon.
Charmin's melee swing hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Physical.(2532 Overkill)
Expert's Training Dummy suffers 1 Holy damage from Charmin's Blood Corruption.(192 Overkill)
Expert's Training Dummy is afflicted by Charmin's Blood Corruption (2).
Charmin's Seal of Corruption hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Holy.(243 Overkill)
Charmin casts Divine Storm!.
Charmin casts Divine Storm.
Charmin gains Charmin's Vengeance.
Silvermoon Ranger begins casting Shoot Bow.
Charmin's Vindication is refreshed on Expert's Training Dummy.
Charmin's Divine Storm hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Physical.(6299 Overkill) (Critical)
Charmin's Seal of Corruption hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Holy.(1000 Overkill) (Critical)
Charmin's Divine Storm failed.(Not yet recovered)
Charmin gains Charmin's The Art of War.
Charmin's Divine Storm failed.(Not yet recovered)
Expert's Training Dummy is afflicted by Charmin's Righteous Vengeance.
Charmin gains Charmin's Vengeance (2).
Charmin gains Charmin's Berserk.
Charmin's melee swing hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Physical.(4986 Overkill) (Critical)
Expert's Training Dummy suffers 1 Holy damage from Charmin's Blood Corruption.(506 Overkill)
Expert's Training Dummy is afflicted by Charmin's Blood Corruption (3).
Charmin's Seal of Corruption hits Expert's Training Dummy for 1 Holy.(506 Overkill)
Charmin gains Charmin's Holy Strength.
Charmin casts Divine Storm!.

Now that's just 3 procs of it, but I find it difficult to separate what is actually causing the procs. Other than when I post up my log do you have a better way of tracking it that I can use?

If DS could refresh off of white hit SoV seal procs, then you'd see combat entries along the lines of melee hit, seal proc, 2x Divine Storm! entries. For example:

2009-12-30 09:15:04.193 Bluedeep casts Seal of Command to Expert's Training Dummy.
2009-12-30 09:15:04.193 Bluedeep's crits Expert's Training Dummy for 5995 damage.
2009-12-30 09:15:04.478 Bluedeep's Seal of Command hit Expert's Training Dummy for 1215 damage.
2009-12-30 09:15:04.478 Bluedeep's Seal of Command crits Expert's Training Dummy for 2651 damage.
2009-12-30 09:15:04.533 Bluedeep's Seal of Command crits Expert's Training Dummy for 2495 damage.
2009-12-30 09:15:05.032 Bluedeep casts Divine Storm!.
2009-12-30 09:15:05.032 Bluedeep casts Divine Storm!.
2009-12-30 09:15:05.032 Bluedeep casts Divine Storm!.
2009-12-30 09:15:05.032 Bluedeep casts Divine Storm!.

However this only occurs with SoC seal procs on white hits.

No it's possible to tell. Don't do what I did at first and leave your combat log on "What happened to me". Where it says Charmin casts Divine Storm! is where 2pc is resetting Divine Storm's CD.

Well since that is the case I have yet to see a double Divine Storm! from either a Blood Corruption application or Seal of Vengeance proc. It is always one proc associated with one melee swing, but I'll upload that WoL regardless.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

This was mainly me just striking a dummy with Melee, and Divine Storm with Judgements for mana return.

All basically correct. If something other than just the autoattack itself could proc (SoV's hidden strike, special attacks, etc) then over a decent sample size you would see far more than 40% (+/- a few %) refresh, leading to an effective cooldown below 5 seconds.

I received a WoL report of SoC usage on multiple targets - cooldown was below 5 seconds from the multiple proc chance per autoattack. All other data is showing a 5.5-7 second effective cooldown, which is commensurate with a 40% proc chace.

Looks like mechanics are understood, SoC cleave only from autoatttacks is indeed proccing reset. Logically it should not.

Again, I'd propose someone with 2 piece (and a WoL, preferably) post on the WoW Bug forum identifying this. It's best to come from the Ret community and be addressed before it becomes a PvP issue. If it becomes a PvP issue and Blizzard answers QQ it's as likely to be a reduction in proc rate in general rather than actually identifying it as a glitch with SoC and correcting it. Such a reduction would result in a PvE boss-fight nerf rather than redress the true fault.

Rawr, Redscape, and Exemplar's tools all seem to agree that "J>CS>DS>..." is the superior rotation with 2P T10 and that most rotations are fairly close to one another. I am inclined to trust their models but my gut tends towards a "J>DS>CS>..." rotation. My argument in favor of such a rotation is that it increases the number of DS refresh opportunities and as a consequence decreases the usage number of Conc and Exo. Also, such a rotation allows you to take advantage of a somewhat common event where you have high DS proc streaks resulting in sequential refreshes and localized effective DS cooldowns near or below that of CS.

However, I don't have a solid understanding of their models and perhaps the increased effective cooldown of CS and/or an increase in GCD conflicts means a "J>DS>CS>..." rotation is a net loss.

I suppose my question is: presuming a standard "J>CS>DS..." rotation would you observe a DPS increase with a rule such as "if you see a DS refresh with ~6 seconds or more left on the DS cool down, then prioritize DS over CS?"

I believe the reasoning behind I>CS>DS was filling as many GCD's as possible. When prioritizing DS over CS over an entire fight you should see more open GCDs than CS>DS.


Everything off CD J>DS>CS

0-J
1.5-DS
3-CS
4.5-cons
6-exo
7.5-CS
9-J
10.5 open without <Divine Storm!> proc

Everything off CD J>CS>DS

0-J
1.5-CS
3-DS
4.5-cons
6-CS
7.5-exo
9-J
10.5 CS
12- open without <Divine Storm!> proc


So in these two situations it would seem that prioritizing CS>DS doesn't accomplish much (all though obviously further down the road it might) but delaying your open GCD by 1, while also pushing back your chance at a <Divine Storm!> proc by 1 GCD. Just eyeballing it, it would seem that in a situation like this prioritizing DS>CS would be the better of the two seeing that both will leave you with an open GCD in about the same place without a 2p proc, and DS hits significantly hard than CS.

Obviously I could be missing something, and there is a decent chance that when you extend further the flaw in DS>CS becomes apparent, however in this specific situation, for the time being, I have been prioritizing DS>CS. It just seems that it is more of a judgment call now based on the situation, as opposed to a hard and fast priority.

I think this must be variable dependent on gear, because my personal findings in Rawr do not concur. Adding T10-251 gloves to the existing gear in my Armoury (which gives both 2T9 and 2T10) the highest DPS came from J>DS>CS, which provided 9276 DPS against 9173 DPS for J>CS>DS. Fight parameters were Rawr-standard (5m fight, single target non-moving humanoid boss, SoV used and Heroism available); version 2.3.4 was used.

Since both the white hit and each SoC hit can proc 2t10, the percentages are slightly higher.
64% proc chance on one target.
78.4% proc chance on two targets.
87.04% proc chance on three or more targets.

The 4 dummies in Org were probably the level 60 dummies.

I'm not 100% sure it is "over the top." It's probably not intended but in many of our trash runs to the boss I've seen feral druids, warlocks, and rogues do 25k+ dps regularly in an aoe setting. The seal of command effect of two piece t10 is amazing for trash mainly, but still a decent upgrade for single target dps as well.

Not to mention, most Retribution paladins run with Seal of Righteousness in serious arena pvp.