Rawr v2.2.19.0 Fixes:
1. Under buffs, make sure both Blessing of Kings effects are clicked (one is 10% agil/int/spirt and the other is str/stam).

Thread Intentions
In the context of this thread, 'Best in Slot' means the best possible item list assuming you had all the other items available to you. If you want to determine what is the best item in a slot for your current gear, then you need to use Rawr or spreadsheets. I will not run Rawr for your specific item situation.

Example: These 226 bracers [Bitter Cold Armguards] could be a weaker item than these 213 bracers, [Bracers of Unrelenting Attack] due to the high value of hit rating before the hit cap. This is why you need to use Rawr while gearing up.

Note that these gear lists are modeling a Patchwerk-type encounter where you do not move and have only one target. Once you include additional targets and movement requirements in the encounter, your dps will be different that what is shown here. While I assumed the best situation for a melee class, I feel this method gives the best gear list.

Glyphs: Judgement, Seal of Vengeance, and Consecration
Enchants
Head: [Arcanum of Torment]
Shoulders: [Greater Inscription of the Axe]
Chest: +10 stats Back: +22 Agility
Wrist: +50 AP Hands: +44 AP
Legs: [Icescale Leg Armor]
Boots: Icewalker or +32 AP if above above the hit cap.
Weapon: [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Berserking]
Gems
Normally use [Bold Cardinal Ruby] and one [Nightmare Tear] for your gems, to use the RED metagem. Use Hit rating [Etched Ametrine] if below the hit cap and [Inscribed Ametrine] in yellow sockets if the socket bonus is +4 Strength or higher. Jewelcrafters may put the three JC gems anywhere.
Assumptions:
Use Blacksmith/JC as the professions and using the 5/11/55 build.
These listings are using all raid buffs except for Focus Magic and Heroic Presence (just Alliance), and Flask of Endless Rage/40 Strength Food.
Options used:
Fight Length - 6 minutes Mob Type - Humanoid Seal: Vengeance Target Level: 83
Below 20% time - 18% Stacked Trinket Reset: 2 Target: 1 Time in front of the mob: 0
Consecrate Effectiveness: 100% Bloodlust is checked Target Switches/HoR effectiveness: 0
Rotation:
Use the FCFS priority HoW>CS>Judgement>DS>Cons>Exo pre-2T9 gearing
For these item sets which uses at least 2T9, use HoW>Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>Exo.

FAQ
Why don't you use dual Death's Choice in these lists?
In an ideal world where trinkets drop more frequently it would be listed in the BiS, but I feel that getting a ~200 dps gain (Greatness vs the 258 Death's Choice) is not worth taking over another guild member (this assumes you had the 245 version, if you had 258 and then got the 245 the gain would be ~120 dps) that would get a larger benefit than you would.
*Plate Priority* means the set can only use items with Strength.

Blood Elf BiS List for Heroic Mode + Plate Priority:

Head: [Liadrin's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [The Executioner's Vice]
Shoulders: [Liadrin's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: Garrosh's Rage
Chest: [Liadrin's Battleplate of Triumph]
Wrist: [Armbands of Bedlam]
Hands: [Liadrin's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Waist: [Bloodbath Belt]
Legs: [Legplates of Ascension]
Feet: [Greaves of the Saronite Citadel]
Finger1: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]
Finger2: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Choice]
Weapon: [Dual-blade Butcher]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 9508 BiS Plate.zip
DPS: 9306 for using Heroic Mode items but 245 set pieces: Ret BiS Gear Lists: 3.2 Edition

Alliance BiS List for Heroic Mode + Plate Priority:

Head: [Turalyon's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [The Executioner's Malice]
Shoulders: [Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: Varian's Furor
Chest: [Turalyon's Battleplate of Triumph]
Wrist: [Armbands of Bedlam]
Hands: [Turalyon's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Waist: [Bloodbath Belt]
Legs: [Legguards of Ascension]
Feet: [Greaves of the 7th Legion]
Finger1: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]
Finger2: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Verdict]
Weapon: [Justicebringer]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 9535 BiS Heroic Alliance Plate.zip

Blood Elf/Alliance 25 Normal Mode (no Ulduar Hard Mode) + Plate Priority:

Head: [Liadrin's Helm of Triumph]/[Turalyon's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [The Executioner's Vice]/[The Executioner's Malice]
Shoulders: [Liadrin's Shoulderplates of Triumph]/[Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: [Might of the Nerub]/[Strength of the Nerub]
Chest: [Turalyon's Battleplate of Triumph]
Wrist: [Titanium Spikeguards]
Hands: [Liadrin's Gauntlets of Triumph]/[Turalyon's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Waist: [Bloodbath Girdle]/[Bloodbath Belt]
Legs: [Legguards of Ascension]
Feet: [Greaves of the 7th Legion]
Finger1: [Bloodshed Band]
Finger2: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]/[Band of the Violent Temperment]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Choice]
Weapon: [Dual-blade Butcher]/[Justicebringer]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 8493 BiS Plate Normal.zip (For the Horde set, swap to Icewalker on boots)

Blood Elf BiS List for Heroic Mode + All Items:

Head: [Liadrin's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [Charge of the Eredar]
Shoulders: [Liadrin's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: Sylvanas' Cunning
Chest: [Cuirass of Calamitous Fate]
Wrist: [Bracers of Dark Determination]
Hands: [Liadrin's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Waist: [Belt of the Pitiless Killer]
Legs: [Turalyon's Legplates of Triumph]
Feet: [Greaves of the Saronite Citadel]
Finger1: [Ring of Callous Aggression]
Finger2: [Ring of the Violent Temperament]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Choice]
Weapon: [Dual-blade Butcher]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 9715 BiS.zip

Alliance BiS List for Heroic Mode + All Items:

Head: [Turalyon's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [Charge of the Demon Lord]
Shoulders: [Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: Vereesa's Dexterity
Chest:[Vest of Calamitous Fate]
Wrist: [Bracers of Dark Determination]
Hands: [Turalyon's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Waist: [Belt of the Pitiless Killer]
Legs: [Liadrin's Legplates of Triumph]
Feet: [Greaves of the 7th Legion]
Finger1: [Band of the Violent Temperment]
Finger2: [Band of Callous Aggression]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Choice]
Weapon: [Justicebringer]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 9734 BiS Heroic Alliance.zip

Dwarf Only (Using the Exorcism glyph) BiS List for Heroic Mode + All Items:

Head: [Turalyon's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: [Charge of the Demon Lord]
Shoulders: [Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Back: Varian's Furor
Chest: Vest of Calamitous Fate
Wrist: [Bracers of Dark Determination]
Hands: [Gloves of the Silver Assassin]
Waist: [Belt of the Merciless Killer]
Legs: [Legguards of Ascension]
Feet: [Greaves of the 7th Legion]
Finger1: [Band of the Violent Temperment]
Finger2: [Band of Callous Aggression]
Trinket1: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Trinket2: [Death's Choice]
Weapon: [Catastrophe]
Libram: [Libram of Valiance]

DPS: 9729 BiS Dwarf.zip

There is actually a heroic equivalent: Gloves of Bitter Reprisal


Also, the Alliance heroic equivalents of Head, Neck and Shoulders are:

Head: [Turalyon's Helm of Triumph]
Neck: The Executioner's Malice
Shoulders: [Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]

Wouldnt Haste still be a better cloat enchant, now that our hard dps is based off of stacking BC? And seeing that agil isnt as good as it used to be, wouldnt just straight stacking stength be better?

haste's value has not increased; haste is less useful now than before once the stack is up (due to an increased percent of our damage coming from seal of vengeance and its dot), and it would take large amounts of haste to see a noticable decrease in stacking time.

File-Upload.net - BIS-Human-3.2.xml

some gems still missing due missing in rawr, but quite an impressive scalling from ulduar BIS gear :O

came up with 8979 dps for human

All mob types in AC will grant 6% Crusade with the exception of the two Jormungar. Would this warrant changing up the default Rawr settings from Other to Humanoid for the BiS gear list?

When I import ilvl258 tier pieces from Wowhead, they do not count towards the T9 tier bonuses. In what way are you editing the tier pieces so that you can see the effect of 2P and 4P T9 on DPS? When I load your XML file into Rawr, I also get 8803 DPS. It seems your copy of Rawr also isn't taking T9 2P/4P into account for ilvl 258 pieces.


I made the following changes to the helm:
"Righteous Vengeance Can Crit = 1"

This increases the DPS for your XML file to 9,064. I'm not quite sure what's the best way to factor in "% Judgement Crit = 5" for the 4P.

I didn't realize the other Northrend Beasts when Humans. I'll change the setting.

with which rawr version did you build your overall bis fr? cant load it with the newest :<

You have to update the gem section, JC gems are no longer prismatic. Also, since MMO-champion sets it up so nicely, if you could do something like:

alliance name / horde name for BIS sets (since you put it all in the horde section)

Finally, while my DPS numbers were a bit off from yours (using the version of rawr in Dev atm), I was able to build a set using the mace that out-striped sets using the Arp axe. That may be because I'm human, but again, should fix up the current stuff, as lack of links and confusion between horde and alliance items isn't going to help anyone. Additionally, I found not using that aweful hit trinket and instead using things like the str cloak and rings with hit turned out to be much better. I actually found that none of the Agi pieces were BIS, but there could be bugs. Also, your BIS set is using two Death's Choice which is impossible because they are unique.

I feel separate Alliance/Horde links are better, even if the items are the same (Other than the name). The lack of links is there because Wowhead either doesn't have the item or only has the non-heroic version of the item. MMO has all the items, but I don't know how to link to the database with a nice tooltip like Wowhead has.

Maybe my version is not as accurate as the dev version, I am just using the optimizer then manually fixing any gem issues to get the best item.

Actually realized I messed up something earlier. I'm seeing very similar results to you, which is slightly disheartening considering how much of it is leather and agi based. I'm going to be working on a Str/Plate set for myself next, I will try to post it after I get home from work and have some time to tweak it.

Although, is Dark Matter really better than DM:G? Or are you just excluding it on the assumption that the buffs don't stack?

Anyway, good work so far.

Edit: Nm. already answered. please delete.

I don't see why they wouldn't stack. They're different procs. Different proc names, different proc values, etc. Now the heroic and non heroic versions not stacking would be normal, but I would think that DMC and Deaths Choice/Verdict can both stack.

One concern here,

I am having an extremely hard time good quality ToTC gear without expertise on it. It seems that the place is just loaded with it. IMO it might still be reasonable to use the exorcism glyph even though SoV glyph is a better dps upgrade.

For instance, I'm sure Grievance would be a much more appealing upgrade for most ret paladins over Dual-Bladed Butcher.





Could you update your BiS with the newest Rawr version. I can't get yours to load for some reason. You are also missing the legs from your list on the horde bis set.

As a human or dwarf, paladins have the option of wearing a complement of 258 items that can hit 56/58 expertise (removing parry). It isnt better than the alternative, but if you're sticking to plate, you're otherwise needing Algalon boots and Steelbreakers belt (and still having issues with too much hit and expertise), or its a lot of leather. Even with the 10man sets, its almost impossible to stick to plate and not be expertise capped for dodge without using a lot of hard mode ulduar gear.


For a 245 ilvl set (without restricting yourself from Ulduar 239's or 10man hard loot), you can take the 245 hard loot list, swap in Bloodbath Girdle with 2 20str (Jaraxus 25) Sentinel Scouting Greaves with Icewalker and 2 20str (Jarax Hard10) and Armbands of Bedlam or Titanium spikeguards, either with 20str (Mimiron hard 25, BS). Rawr puts those sets at 8,426 dps with mimiron and 8,417 with spikeguards. Algalon's plate boots are slightly under Sentinel, according to rawr (which I have issues trusting with some of these numbers).

While the current non-hard does not use 10man hard modes, as they share the same ilvl for a potential 350 dps increase, it is worth noting.

My criteria when creating the normal mode lists is to only use normal mode gear. While there are players that do 25 man normal mode that will have access to 10 man heroic mode on the side and will find upgrades in 10 man heroic, I'd rather not have as many lists as I had in the 3.1 thread. There are three (because normal mode is the same), but if horde/alliance normal mode turns out different then that is fine.

In that manner, I made a disclaimer of my aims in the OP.

If you get 23 expertise with your gear, then it is better to use Exo glyph.

I uploaded my files again. I have had 2.2.12 for a few days, which is the newest version so I don't know why you have errors (I did import some of the 258 items from the armory). I fixed the broken links.

The Ilvl245 Bloodbath Belt / Bloodbath Girdle is better than Belt of the titans, unless I missed something.

(And thanks for at great work, in the paladin community)

Wouldn't Varian's Furor be better than Vareesa's Dexterity?

According to MMO-Champion (Rawr's tooltips for drop location are sometimes incorrect), those belts are from heroic mode 10 man. I want normal mode to only have normal mode drops, so it really limited what I could pick from.


If someone is interested, I can start making plate priority sets.

Bloodbath Belt/Girdle is from normal 25 man jarraxxus, I got it last night. And I'd be interested in a plate priority list..

Should we just embrace the huge amount of armor pen on plate items and attempt to stack a higher armorpen... or should we drop down to better leather/mail gear that lacks armorpen but may have more crit and what not?

I'm guessing that's the overall mindset that we're stuck in since it's what I was thinking while staring at Rawr and my loot lists from the new raids.

God I wish blizzard would do something to make armorpen useful... armorpen -> spell power or +% holy damage done or something. I just feel like I am wasting stat points when I give up crit/str for armorpen...

Additionally; I agree completely with the above poster who said that SoV Glyph is better swapped with Exo or SoR. I personally just carry around a stack of exo glyphs and a stack of SoR glyphs because I currently have 31 expertise and can't really drop it.

SoV glyph is amazing for starting palys; but with all the expertise gear around its just overkill once you get higher end.

Additionally... I'm assuming our 4-set bonus is trash when compared to BiS lists? Better to get the item than worry about the bonus as it currently is?

I would be interested in plate-priority as well. The way loot works in my guild is that it goes to whomever can make the most use out of it (via officer-assignment). The only real chance I have at leather/agi is if the rogues, hunters, and ferals don't want it.

The other thing to watch out for (not sure if the existing tools check for it) is to make sure that you don't get so much agi through gear that the greatness or paragon procs swap to Agi. I'm not actually sure how close you would really get to that point, but its still something to keep an eye on for sets that use so much leather and agi gear.