Ret BiS Gear Lists: 3.2 Edition - Page 19

Althor · 10/25/09, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheBacon

I can't quite understand the simcraft so this may be a stupid question. When you adjusted the haste rating return for melee haste did you leave the casting haste % per point the same. The gcd for exo and cons would still be governed by the old haste conversion.

The change I made was to overload the init_rating() method for Paladins:

void paladin_t::init_rating()
{
  player_t::init_rating();

  rating.attack_haste *= 1.0 / 1.30;
}

rating.attack_haste is only used for abilities that are children of attack_t (as opposed to spell_t which use rating.spell_haste unless a class or ability overloads this too of course).

Exorcism is a child of paladin_spell_t (which in turn is a child of spell_t):

struct exorcism_t : public paladin_spell_t
{
 ...
}

So is Consecration.

Things like Crusader Strike derive from paladin_attack_t

struct crusader_strike_t : public paladin_attack_t
{
 ...
}

So to answer your question, the haste scaling of Exorcism and Consecrate were untouched by the change I made.

Althor · 10/25/09, 2:32 AM

SimulationCraft has a proc-based implementation of the Tier 10 2pc set bonus (and 4pc support).

I've run the BiS sets (both SimulationCraft's and the Rawr with 2*Death's Choice) through the simulator turning off 4pc T9 and turning on 2pc T10.

I added a special variable: tier10_2pc_procs_from_strikes=0 or 1 which if set to 1 (default: 0) enables Crusader Strike and Divine Storm to also have a chance to trigger the set bonus.

Here are the results:

DPS Ranking:
  59737 100.0%  Raid
  10182  17.0%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_strike
  10182  17.0%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_strike
  10054  16.8%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_nostrike
  10052  16.8%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_nostrike
   9706  16.2%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55
   9622  16.1%  Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55 blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 9705.6  Error=2.5  Range=697  DPR=45.8  RPS=212.1/210.1  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16421920
  Core Stats:  strength=2332|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2682|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=39.31%|33.55%(986)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=23.85%|14.52%(476)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8006|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=57.19%|46.16%(986)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=46.93%|18.87%(476)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1166|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration/sense_undead
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=dragonfin_filet/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 25.2|11.82sec  DPE=  8301| 7%  DPET=  6244  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 698  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=249  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=842|683|1145
    crusader_strike              Count= 65.9|4.53sec  DPE=  4908|11%  DPET=  2975  DPR=  24.9  pDPS=1080  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3092|2448|4719  Crit= 6372| 5042| 9721|55.4%
    divine_storm                 Count= 26.0|11.61sec  DPE=  6191| 6%  DPET=  3752  DPR=  13.1  pDPS= 537  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3898|3121|6018  Crit= 8033| 6430|12397|55.5%
    exorcism                     Count= 15.9|17.69sec  DPE=  5574| 3%  DPET=  4211  DPR=  15.9  pDPS= 296  Miss=3.92%  Hit=4613|3918|6139  Crit= 7128| 6053| 9485|45.4%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  6.2|9.22sec  DPE=  8791| 2%  DPET=  5328  DPR=  18.5  pDPS= 183  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8791| 7294|11338|100.0%
    melee                        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  5309|23%  DPET=  2271  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2264  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3478|2732|5304  Crit= 7161| 5628|10926|55.4%  Glance=2608|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1| 9%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 907  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=103  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1667|355|4995  CritTick=3433|732|10008|55.4%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  1600| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 682  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2072|746|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 34.6|8.73sec  DPE=  9054|11%  DPET=  5488  DPR=  46.0  pDPS=1045  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4945|2974|7010  Crit=10189| 6127|14440|78.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=211.7|1.36sec  DPE=  2850|21%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2013  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1795|1496|2420  Crit= 3699| 3082| 4986|55.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.3|120.3  uptime=20%  benefit=21%
    berserking_mh      : start=7.0   refresh=20.9   interval= 42.6|10.2   uptime=74%  benefit=77%  trigger= 6%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 61.0|61.0   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=126.8  interval=  0.0|2.3    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.5   interval=140.0|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=16.9  refresh=53.9   interval= 17.1|4.2    uptime=82%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=278.6  interval=  0.0|1.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    468.1 |   0.90sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     1412.8 : arcane_torrent        
     4167.2 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=36.3%)
     4526.4 : divine_plea             (overflow=53.9%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    31969.6 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=22.3%)
    17760.9 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=53.2%)
     3146.7 : replenishment           (overflow=33.1%)

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_nostrike blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 10054.1  Error=2.8  Range=791  DPR=44.6  RPS=225.5/224.2  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16421920
  Core Stats:  strength=2332|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2682|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=39.31%|33.55%(986)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=23.85%|14.52%(476)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8006|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=57.19%|46.16%(986)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=46.93%|18.87%(476)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1166|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration/sense_undead
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=dragonfin_filet/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 21.4|13.99sec  DPE=  8250| 6%  DPET=  6208  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 589  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=210  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=839|683|1145
    crusader_strike              Count= 60.7|4.93sec  DPE=  4905|10%  DPET=  2973  DPR=  24.9  pDPS= 993  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3093|2448|4719  Crit= 6369| 5042| 9721|55.3%
    divine_storm                 Count= 49.3|6.02sec  DPE=  6254|10%  DPET=  3791  DPR=  13.2  pDPS=1029  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3937|3121|6018  Crit= 8113| 6430|12397|55.5%
    exorcism                     Count= 12.4|22.24sec  DPE=  5625| 2%  DPET=  4199  DPR=  16.0  pDPS= 233  Miss=3.90%  Hit=4652|3918|6139  Crit= 7190| 6053| 9485|45.5%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  3.5|14.08sec  DPE=  8793| 1%  DPET=  5329  DPR=  18.5  pDPS= 103  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8793| 7294|11338|100.0%
    melee                        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  5291|22%  DPET=  2264  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2256  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3463|2732|5304  Crit= 7135| 5628|10926|55.4%  Glance=2598|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1|10%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 996  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=92  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2039|355|10643  CritTick=4199|732|22850|55.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  1602| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 683  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2075|746|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 33.9|8.92sec  DPE=  8757|10%  DPET=  5308  DPR=  44.5  pDPS= 991  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4928|2974|7010  Crit=10145| 6127|14440|73.4%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=229.4|1.25sec  DPE=  2849|22%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2181  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1796|1496|2420  Crit= 3699| 3082| 4986|55.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.7|120.7  uptime=20%  benefit=20%
    berserking_mh      : start=6.7   refresh=23.7   interval= 44.1|9.4    uptime=77%  benefit=79%  trigger= 7%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 60.8|60.8   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=126.8  interval=  0.0|2.3    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.5   interval=141.9|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=13.4  refresh=57.4   interval= 21.2|4.2    uptime=86%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=291.8  interval=  0.0|1.0    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    482.4 |   0.90sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     51.1 |   5.76sec : tier10_2pc
  Gains:
     1412.7 : arcane_torrent        
     4391.4 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=32.8%)
     5000.0 : divine_plea             (overflow=49.1%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    34214.1 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=19.3%)
    18851.4 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=49.4%)
     3331.9 : replenishment           (overflow=29.1%)

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_strike blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 10182.3  Error=2.8  Range=780  DPR=44.9  RPS=226.6/225.4  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16421920
  Core Stats:  strength=2332|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2682|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=39.31%|33.55%(986)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=23.85%|14.52%(476)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8006|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=57.19%|46.16%(986)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=46.93%|18.87%(476)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1166|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration/sense_undead
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=dragonfin_filet/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 19.0|15.78sec  DPE=  8270| 5%  DPET=  6224  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 525  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=187  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=842|683|1145
    crusader_strike              Count= 60.5|4.94sec  DPE=  4901|10%  DPET=  2970  DPR=  24.9  pDPS= 990  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3087|2448|4719  Crit= 6362| 5042| 9721|55.4%
    divine_storm                 Count= 56.6|5.25sec  DPE=  6254|12%  DPET=  3790  DPR=  13.2  pDPS=1181  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3941|3121|6018  Crit= 8116| 6430|12397|55.4%
    exorcism                     Count= 10.6|24.77sec  DPE=  5647| 2%  DPET=  4208  DPR=  16.1  pDPS= 199  Miss=3.82%  Hit=4667|3918|6139  Crit= 7210| 6053| 9485|45.5%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  2.8|16.02sec  DPE=  8779| 1%  DPET=  5321  DPR=  18.5  pDPS=  83  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8779| 7294|11338|100.0%
    melee                        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  5288|22%  DPET=  2262  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2255  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3462|2732|5304  Crit= 7135| 5628|10926|55.4%  Glance=2597|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1|10%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1037  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=89  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2207|355|12816  CritTick=4549|732|26401|55.4%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=127.8|2.34sec  DPE=  1602| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 683  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2076|746|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 33.6|9.00sec  DPE=  8750|10%  DPET=  5303  DPR=  44.4  pDPS= 982  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4919|2974|7010  Crit=10137| 6127|14440|73.4%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=236.3|1.22sec  DPE=  2850|22%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2247  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1795|1496|2420  Crit= 3699| 3082| 4986|55.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.8|120.8  uptime=20%  benefit=20%
    berserking_mh      : start=6.6   refresh=24.8   interval= 44.9|9.1    uptime=78%  benefit=80%  trigger= 7%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 60.8|60.8   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=126.8  interval=  0.0|2.3    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.5   interval=140.5|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=11.7  refresh=59.1   interval= 23.6|4.2    uptime=88%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=297.9  interval=  0.0|1.0    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    484.7 |   0.91sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     97.9 |   3.02sec : tier10_2pc
  Gains:
     1412.0 : arcane_torrent        
     4454.8 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=31.9%)
     5034.1 : divine_plea             (overflow=48.7%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    34972.9 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=17.9%)
    18290.3 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=50.5%)
     3382.0 : replenishment           (overflow=28.1%)

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 9622.4  Error=2.5  Range=676  DPR=44.9  RPS=214.2/212.7  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16416306
  Core Stats:  strength=2281|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2720|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=40.18%|34.42%(1026)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=22.53%|13.30%(436)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=7982|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=58.06%|47.03%(1026)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=44.97%|17.29%(436)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1141|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 26.5|11.20sec  DPE=  8276| 8%  DPET=  6173  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 732  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=262  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=837|684|1146
    crusader_strike              Count= 57.9|5.17sec  DPE=  4987|10%  DPET=  3023  DPR=  25.3  pDPS= 964  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3126|2443|4713  Crit= 6439| 5032| 9708|56.2%
    divine_storm                 Count= 27.3|11.02sec  DPE=  6311| 6%  DPET=  3825  DPR=  13.3  pDPS= 574  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3950|3115|6010  Crit= 8144| 6417|12380|56.3%
    exorcism                     Count= 16.4|17.18sec  DPE=  5623| 3%  DPET=  4201  DPR=  16.0  pDPS= 307  Miss=3.93%  Hit=4634|3921|6144  Crit= 7161| 6058| 9492|46.3%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  6.4|8.87sec  DPE=  8967| 2%  DPET=  5434  DPR=  18.9  pDPS= 192  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8967| 7300|11347|100.0%
    melee                        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  5315|23%  DPET=  2242  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2236  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3459|2727|5296  Crit= 7125| 5617|10911|56.3%  Glance=2594|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1| 9%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 909  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=104  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1644|355|5094  CritTick=3389|731|10409|56.2%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  1621| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 682  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2073|745|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 36.0|8.40sec  DPE=  9025|11%  DPET=  5471  DPR=  45.8  pDPS=1083  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4909|2983|7026  Crit=10103| 6146|14473|79.2%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=203.3|1.42sec  DPE=  2867|20%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1944  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1795|1493|2417  Crit= 3699| 3075| 4979|56.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=121.0|121.0  uptime=20%  benefit=20%
    berserking_mh      : start=7.1   refresh=19.6   interval= 41.8|10.6   uptime=73%  benefit=75%  trigger= 6%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.8|45.8   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.8|45.8   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.1   refresh=0.0    interval= 60.5|60.5   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=125.1  interval=  0.0|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.5   interval=138.4|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=17.3  refresh=53.7   interval= 16.6|4.2    uptime=83%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=274.7  interval=  0.0|1.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    460.5 |   0.90sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     1412.8 : arcane_torrent        
     4069.5 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=37.8%)
     5330.8 : divine_plea             (overflow=45.7%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    30668.5 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=24.2%)
    19186.9 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=51.4%)
     3083.9 : replenishment           (overflow=34.4%)

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_nostrike blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 10051.7  Error=2.8  Range=769  DPR=44.7  RPS=225.0/223.8  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16416306
  Core Stats:  strength=2281|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2720|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=40.18%|34.42%(1026)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=22.53%|13.30%(436)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=7982|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=58.06%|47.03%(1026)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=44.97%|17.29%(436)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1141|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 21.2|13.93sec  DPE=  8228| 6%  DPET=  6140  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 583  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=209  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=837|684|1146
    crusader_strike              Count= 60.5|4.94sec  DPE=  4925|10%  DPET=  2985  DPR=  25.0  pDPS= 995  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3084|2443|4713  Crit= 6354| 5032| 9708|56.3%
    divine_storm                 Count= 49.4|6.02sec  DPE=  6293|10%  DPET=  3814  DPR=  13.3  pDPS=1037  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3944|3115|6010  Crit= 8128| 6417|12380|56.1%
    exorcism                     Count= 12.3|22.21sec  DPE=  5633| 2%  DPET=  4170  DPR=  16.0  pDPS= 232  Miss=3.90%  Hit=4646|3921|6144  Crit= 7175| 6058| 9492|46.2%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  3.5|14.02sec  DPE=  8807| 1%  DPET=  5338  DPR=  18.6  pDPS= 104  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8807| 7300|11347|100.0%
    melee                        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  5315|22%  DPET=  2242  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2236  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3458|2727|5296  Crit= 7125| 5617|10911|56.3%  Glance=2593|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1|10%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1016  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2087|355|10963  CritTick=4302|731|22584|56.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  1624| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 683  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2077|745|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 33.9|8.93sec  DPE=  8822|10%  DPET=  5347  DPR=  44.8  pDPS= 999  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4935|2983|7026  Crit=10168| 6146|14473|74.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=227.1|1.27sec  DPE=  2860|22%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2168  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1792|1493|2417  Crit= 3692| 3075| 4979|56.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.7|120.7  uptime=20%  benefit=20%
    berserking_mh      : start=6.7   refresh=23.6   interval= 44.2|9.4    uptime=77%  benefit=79%  trigger= 7%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 60.8|60.8   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=125.1  interval=  0.0|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.5   interval=142.1|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=13.3  refresh=57.6   interval= 21.4|4.2    uptime=86%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=293.9  interval=  0.0|1.0    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    479.6 |   0.90sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     50.4 |   5.85sec : tier10_2pc
  Gains:
     1411.4 : arcane_torrent        
     4410.1 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=32.6%)
     5095.0 : divine_plea             (overflow=48.1%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    34156.4 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=19.0%)
    18647.2 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=50.0%)
     3337.5 : replenishment           (overflow=29.0%)

Player: Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_strike blood_elf paladin retribution 80
  DPS: 10181.9  Error=2.9  Range=866  DPR=45.0  RPS=226.1/224.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=16416306
  Core Stats:  strength=2281|1818(1433)  agility=1012|698(606)  stamina=2296|1789(1648)  intellect=249|122(20)  spirit=273|124(20)  health=29274|24644  mana=7849|5944
  Spell Stats:  power=2720|1615(0)  hit=10.10%|10.10%(265)  crit=40.18%|34.42%(1026)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=22.53%|13.30%(436)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=7982|5382(1526)  hit=8.08%|8.08%(265)  crit=58.06%|47.03%(1026)  expertise=18.79|18.79(154)  penetration=10.79%|10.79%(151)  haste=44.97%|17.29%(436)
  Defense Stats:  armor=13213|12585(11189)  blockv=1141|909(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=7.70%|7.70%  dodge=19.30%|14.18%(0)  parry=4.70%|4.70%(0)  block=4.70%|4.70%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: judgement/seal_of_vengeance/consecration
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/auto_attack/seal_of_vengeance/snapshot_stats
    hammer_of_justice/divine_plea/arcane_torrent/avenging_wrath/judgement/crusader_strike/divine_storm
    consecration/hammer_of_wrath/exorcism/speed_potion
  Actions:
    consecration                 Count= 18.8|15.72sec  DPE=  8234| 5%  DPET=  6145  DPR=   9.5  pDPS= 517  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=185  MissTick=3.9%  Tick=838|684|1146
    crusader_strike              Count= 60.4|4.95sec  DPE=  4920|10%  DPET=  2982  DPR=  25.0  pDPS= 992  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3081|2443|4713  Crit= 6349| 5032| 9708|56.3%
    divine_storm                 Count= 56.7|5.23sec  DPE=  6296|12%  DPET=  3816  DPR=  13.3  pDPS=1192  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3945|3115|6010  Crit= 8128| 6417|12380|56.2%
    exorcism                     Count= 10.4|24.77sec  DPE=  5637| 2%  DPET=  4164  DPR=  16.1  pDPS= 196  Miss=3.93%  Hit=4646|3921|6144  Crit= 7188| 6058| 9492|46.2%
    hammer_of_wrath              Count=  2.9|15.95sec  DPE=  8796| 1%  DPET=  5331  DPR=  18.6  pDPS=  84  Miss=0.00%  Crit= 8796| 7300|11347|100.0%
    melee                        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  5312|22%  DPET=  2241  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2235  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3458|2727|5296  Crit= 7124| 5617|10911|56.2%  Glance=2594|24.0%
    righteous_vengeance          Count=  0.0|0.00sec  DPE=     1|10%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1057  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=88  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2265|355|13446  CritTick=4662|731|27698|56.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_dot        Count=126.1|2.37sec  DPE=  1624| 7%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 684  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=99  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2077|745|2944
    seal_of_vengeance_judgement  Count= 33.6|9.00sec  DPE=  8811|10%  DPET=  5340  DPR=  44.7  pDPS= 989  Miss=0.00%  Hit=4931|2983|7026  Crit=10156| 6146|14473|74.3%
    seal_of_vengeance_proc       Count=234.1|1.23sec  DPE=  2861|22%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2236  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1792|1493|2417  Crit= 3692| 3075| 4979|56.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    avenging_wrath     : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.8|120.8  uptime=20%  benefit=20%
    berserking_mh      : start=6.6   refresh=24.8   interval= 45.0|9.1    uptime=78%  benefit=80%  trigger= 7%
    bloodlust          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_choice      : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    divine_plea        : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 60.8|60.8   uptime=25%  benefit=25%
    holy_vengeance     : start=1.0   refresh=125.1  interval=  0.0|2.4    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    libram_of_valiance : start=1.3   refresh=39.4   interval=140.2|7.3    uptime=97%  trigger=70%
    the_art_of_war     : start=11.5  refresh=59.4   interval= 24.0|4.2    uptime=88%  benefit=99%
    vengeance          : start=1.0   refresh=300.2  interval=  0.0|1.0    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
  Procs:
    482.0 |   0.91sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     97.4 |   3.04sec : tier10_2pc
  Gains:
     1408.8 : arcane_torrent        
     4465.6 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=31.7%)
     5106.6 : divine_plea             (overflow=48.0%)
     7849.0 : initial_mana          
    34939.7 : judgement_of_wisdom     (overflow=17.5%)
    18102.1 : judgements_of_the_wise  (overflow=51.0%)
     3381.7 : replenishment           (overflow=28.1%)

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: abominations_might/arcane_empowerment/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/curse_of_elements
  Constant: earth_and_moon/elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem
  Constant: heart_of_the_crusader/hunters_mark/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch
  Constant: improved_shadow_bolt/infected_wounds/insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just
  Constant: leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/mangle/master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage
  Constant: sanctified_retribution/savage_combat/strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap
  Constant: totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot/unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill
  Constant: wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
     8.5% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55
     3.6% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_nostrike
     2.1% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55_2pcT10_strike
    10.4% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr
     3.6% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_nostrike
     2.1% : Paladin_T9_05_11_55_rawr_2pcT10_strike

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 161470075
  MaxEventQueue = 95
  TargetHealth  = 17875146
  SimSeconds    = 5999943
  CpuSeconds    = 684.017
  SpeedUp       = 8772

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000017 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Analysis:

1) With 2pc T10 + 2pc T9 then the differences between the "SimulationCraft" BiS set and the "Rawr" BiS set (albeit with 2* Death's Choice) is basically negligible.

2) If only auto-attack swings can proc it then the DPS gain (compared to the SimulationCraft set) is 348 DPS by losing 4pc T9 and gaining 2pc T10 (just going off the worth of the set bonuses obviously).

3) If auto-attack swings, crusader strike and divine storm can all proc it then the DPS difference is 476 DPS.

Assuming only auto-attacks can proc it then the average time between procs is 5.76 seconds (this is of course assuming there's no ICD). If CS and DS can proc it then the average time between procs is 3.02 seconds.

Naturally, it's possible that there might be further DPS gains if the priority list was changed around to suit the set bonus more, but these numbers are using the default SimulationCraft action list.

Glutton · 10/25/09, 4:46 AM

Using the files Althor provided I attempted to investigate the haste maxima we're observing in this gear set. The gear set has 476 haste rating, or 46.93% melee haste % when raid buffed. I proceded to add and subtract haste to the gear set in increments of 10 without taking away other stats.

Of course adding haste rating without taking away any other stats is going to result in a DPS increase. This occured predictably at 486 (+10), 496 (+20), and 506 (+30) haste rating. It appears that 506 (+30) haste rating is near some sort of local maxima. At 516 (+40) haste rating I observed a moderate drop of twenty nine DPS from 506 haste rating.

This increase in haste between 516 > 526 was correlated to a drop from 66 Crusader Strikes to 65 Crusader Strikes. Another major change in the number of Crusader Strikes occurs around 440 haste rating where the number increases sharply from 58 to 66; this region is also correlated with a sharp increase in the DPS per additional haste.

Red squares: number of crusader strikes per 300 seconds
Blue line: DPS

Josefar · 10/25/09, 4:47 AM

OP lists HoW>Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>Exo rotation for the BiS sets, has this changed to Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>HoW>Exo?

Althor · 10/25/09, 5:22 AM

Originally Posted by Josefar

OP lists HoW>Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>Exo rotation for the BiS sets, has this changed to Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>HoW>Exo?

Even using Rawr's BiS list with Rawr 2.2.23 (the Blood Elf BiS list with all items available and using DMC: Greatness) then it shows Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>HoW>Exo doing more DPS than HoW>Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>Exo.

Redcape · 10/25/09, 1:30 PM

Using my spreadsheet I have found the effective CD on DS to be 2.98 seconds with a .1 sec latency and assuming AA, Judge, CS, DS proc the reset. The highest dps rotation was Judge, DS, CS, <whatever> because <whatever> didn't get cast. This all assuming t10 2p obviously.

The dps difference of t10 2p was higher than any other set bonus, second was t10 4p and third was t9 2p.

• frmorrison · 10/25/09, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Josefar

OP lists HoW>Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>Exo rotation for the BiS sets, has this changed to Judgement>CS>DS>Cons>HoW>Exo?

The difference is 5-10 dps in Rawr and Rawr isn't 100% accurate (assumes boss doesn't move).

T.K. · 10/27/09, 2:01 AM

It's been kinda long time I read the BIS thread, so big apologies if it was already discussed and concluded...

It's been proved that both procs of different versions of Death's Verdict, heroic and normal, albeit the fact that they do have the same name proc, stack.

So, considering that they stack, why exactly is Darkmoon Card still best second trinket and not the normal version of Death's Verdict?

Soher · 10/27/09, 4:51 AM

Because getting the 2 best physical damage dealer trinket isn't fair to your guild mates, so probably you will never get them.

T.K. · 10/27/09, 8:54 AM

Considering that the BiS set even includes leather, wich mind you has many BiS itens for druids and rogues and the purpose of this thread and specifically the all itens BiS build up is to achieve the highest possible setup for dps, I don't see a "not fair" reason being valid.

Grigorim · 10/27/09, 10:45 AM

Then feel free to make your own BIS thread incorporating it. It would also be helpful if before asking questions you read the thread, where your question had been answered multiple times.

• frmorrison · 10/27/09, 6:32 PM

New BiS threat for the Alliance, 20 dps higher using the Tier Leggings. That was interesting that you are past nearly 1% hit and 1% expertise capped for best setup.

kris4647 · 10/28/09, 1:25 AM

Thanks for all the hard work guys. LTRFTP

Sorry I missed the many posts in here about my question.

chinoquezada · 10/28/09, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by kris4647

Thanks for all the hard work guys. LTRFTP

Quick question...

Running Rawr thro many different Permutations I see double Death's Verdict coming out ahead of Greatnes/Death's. Am I way off base there? I know Rawr is situational to your gear but straight AP trinks shouldn't follo suite...............................or do they

Thanks for your help.

Death's Verdict (245 and 258 versions) has static AP AND a str/agi proc similar to Greatness (higher in both cases). This is why Dual Death's Verdict is ahead.

rpalchau · 11/10/09, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

New BiS threat for the Alliance, 20 dps higher using the Tier Leggings. That was interesting that you are past nearly 1% hit and 1% expertise capped for best setup.

I'm seeing the same result. Any idea why it changed?

Also, you've somehow managed to have a mix of alliance and horde drops in your bis.