• frmorrison

Rawr will swap to Agility procs assuming you had more agility than strength. However, that isn't close to happening.

My raid group has a similar system, so I have to pass on leather/mail items as well if a Rogue/Feral or Shaman/Hunter Main spec wants it.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

 

Cathmor

Bring on the plate priority lists.

I am the light that brings the dawn.
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-Cathmor of Malfurion
formerly Baelor of Runetotem

 

Baklava09

Here is my BiS Plate list. It actually works out pretty well. There are a few assumptions in this list that I should note -

1. Assumes Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Death's Choice share an internal cooldown.
2. Removes the 45 second internal cooldown of Libram of Valiance to 10 second internal cooldown.
3. Assumes +str items on rings/neck/cloak.
4. I have no idea which items are named alliance and which are named horde. This is assuming horde even if the names are wrong.



Head - [Liadrin's Helm of Triumph] (Etched Ametrine)
Neck - Executioner's Vice
Shoulder - [Liadrin's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Cloak Garrosh's Rage
Chest - [Liadrin's Battleplate of Triumph] (Nightmare Tear)
Wrist - [Armbands of Bedlam]
Gloves - [Liadrin's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Belt - Bloodbath Belt
Legs - Leggplates of Ascension
Feet - Greaves of the Saronite Citadel
Ring1 - Gormok's Band
Ring2 - Band of Violent Temperment
Trinket1 - Death's Choice
Trinket2 - [Dark Matter]
Libram - [Libram of Valiance]
Weapon - [Dual-blade Butcher]

This was showing 9476 DPS in RAWR 2.2.12 but I just updated to 2.2.13 and it is showing 9121 dps. For some reason I can't get the 2 and 4 piece bonus to work for retribution in the new version.

*Note* - replacing the ring Gormok's Band with Band of Callous Aggression is a significant dps boost if your guild will let you get it. This changes your DPS to 9546.

BiS - Plate

 

greatrichie

Ret BiS.xml

Same as above pretty much, all STR stuff, but Alliance, 9,593 DPS with the SoV Libram fixed to 10 sec icd. Looks like the only diff from mine and the horde version above is a gem...

 

Ruanur

You're aware you're using 258 tier right? Unless you were making a hard mode BIS list then that's my mistake. On a second note we should be focusing more on normal mode since heroic mode isn't even unlockable for a few more weeks =P

 

greatrichie

Ret easymode BiS.xml

Luckily easy mode stuff is essentially the same, so making an easy mode list out of a hard mode list is pretty easy. Easy mode plate only there is 8550 DPS.

Edit: forgot to change out the Head piece so it's actually 8483 with the 245 Head.

 

Ruanur

Hmm touche. And bravo on the ezmode stuff looks good to me.

 

Baklava09

With how easy normal 25 man is so far, I'm sure most people are looking for a complete bis. But yea, what Richie said, just change the i258 items to i245 items and bam, you got a normal set complete. Pretty much most of the i258 non-tier is the same item with sockets.

 

Barraind

My BiS Plate list (note, the ring and neck are not str based).

Head - [Turalyon's Helm of Triumph] (Inscribed Ametrine)
Neck - Charge of the Demon Lord
Shoulder - [Turalyon's Shoulderplates of Triumph]
Cloak - Varian's Furor
Chest - [Chestplate of the Frostborn Hero]
Wrist - [Armbands of Bedlam]
Gloves - [Turalyon's Gauntlets of Triumph]
Belt - Bloodbath Belt
Legs - [Legguards of Ascension]
Feet - Greaves of the 7th Legion (Inscribed Ametrine)
Ring1 - Band of Callous Aggression
Ring2 - Ring of Violent Temperment
Trinket1 - Death's Verdict
Trinket2 - [Dark Matter]
Libram - [Libram of Valiance]
Weapon - [Justicebringer] (Nightmare Tear)


This is showing 9678 DPS in Rawr 2.2.12


To keep it a pure str only setup, you can change the following:

Neck - Executioner's Vice
Ring - Gormok's Band
Gloves - Gloves of Bitter Reprisal

For 9636 DPS.


Dropping the Cloak for Might/Strength of the Nerub (the second best cloak with strength for this build) is a 58 DPS loss.


Note: this once again assumes Death + DMC doesnt stack.


edit - I forgot to close a url tag, and bad things happened. Its fixed.

 

vorda

Barraind, some of your item links are wrong (your rings are the same), you don't have boots and you suggest changing tier gloves for other gloves so you can 'keep it a pure str only setup'.

 

TheEnder

Additionally... from my math you only have 68 expertise rating, but 299 hit? And no boots...

 

Barraind

Yeah, i do my lists on paper (I have done gear lists by hand since EQ, and check them after in rawr or with spreadsheets), and it seems to have not copied right when i pasted from notepad.

Boots are 7th legion. with SoV glyph, you're at .1% to be dodged. You're over hit cap with Varian's Furor (279, but based on gear weighting and rawr, its still beating other strength based sets significantly), and yes, you replace t9 gloves because in changing out non-str pieces, you're forced to gain hit, and t9 gloves are the one hit piece you can use to drop them.

I need to save and upload the rawr's i think.

Edit - I also do them in alpha order by slot, so some cut/pasting issues happen when I try to format them as presented elsewhere in these threads. I actually forgot to close a tag in the original post, it is fixed now.

 

Adamson

The 2 most current rawr models I can't display the easymode BIS setup in. Think it would be a big deal to update it to the newer version?

 

• frmorrison

Rawr does not have every item in its default database yet. You have to load upgrades from Wowhead in order to get them. Once you do that you can open these files without errors.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

 

greatrichie

It's made in 2.2.13, so not sure how much newer I can get. it may be the libram I changed the icd on.

but if it doesn't work...
The set up is:
245 Tier Helm *Etched whatever gem
Executoners Malice(245 version)
245 tier Shoulders
Strength of teh Nerub (245)
245 Tier Chest
Titanium Spikeguards
245 Tier Gloves
Bloodbath Belt (245)
Legplates of Ascension (245) *Nightmare Tear
Greaves of the 7th legion *Etched Whatever gem
Gormoks Band
Band of Violent Temperment
Wrathstone
Deaths Choice
Justicebringer
SoV libram

 

Keltos

Between this current BIS thread and the 3.1 BIS thread, there has been continual pointing towards the fact that, for the great majority of players (hard mode guilds or not), non-plate pieces are generally unobtainable/unwanted (by plate purists for the latter).

While it is uncontested that mathematically leather and mail agility pieces often come out ahead, perhaps it is best to focus on plate-only as the default point of view, and have perhaps one listing only that may include non-plate for the few that have the luxury of branching downwards away from plate. All other listings should default to plate-only focus.

 

yamamoto

I need to bring this up now, as it has been bothering me for a few months. For some reason, every time I put in the BiS gear list that is listed into Rawr, I get a decent discrepancy in DPS. Case in point, the new Hard Mode + Blood Elf list, my dps is 9,104. Granted I am using Enchanting instead of JC, but that is the ONLY variable and I doubt a 500+ dps difference is feasible. All other options are identical. Should I be checking bloodlust in the temp buffs section as well?

 

Gormal

Yup, just like it says in the OP.

 

yamamoto

There are actually two places to check Bloodlust. One in temp buffs (which we were not supposed to do in earlier BiS lists in 3.1) and one in the third tab with all the fight parameters (length, Seal, Stacked Trinkets) which is usually required to check. What I'm asking is should that first one be checked, the second one being checked is what is covered in the OP.

 

Ruanur

Maybe I'm screwin up somewhere but according to my Rawr wrathstone never even comes close to Greatness Deck. Also that Rawr thinks pure hit over one of those etched would be better. Any input?

 

Melzas

Rawr sometimes bugs out and treats the Greatness deck as if it were total crap.

Every once in a while I've had to go in and replace the highest stat with just strength. This will put it in the right place, which is just below the new trinkets that work just like it.

As for one of the above gear lists:
Gormoks Band (i245) is 10 man hard mode, and as stated above greatness is superior to the wrathstone.

So far it looks like with the huge glut of expertise on all of our gear that the pants will be the part of the set that you dont want, specially if you are going for an all plate set. Personally I go for all plate but will take AGI jewelry anytime they are a significant upgrade but it looks like with the huge expertise glut it might be best to make some ulduar leatherworking items.

 

Gormal

Unless I'm missing something, I've only been able to re-create the dps listed in the OP by checking both.

 

greatrichie

Ah didn't notice that ring drops from 10 man hard mode.

As for Greatness, I think the general thinking is that it won't stack with the new Deaths Choice/Verdict, so It's modeled like that. I happen to think they may stack, but in case they don't We're erring on the safe side. That said Wrathstone is better than a Greatness deck where the proc is useless.

 

Melzas

Well the procs are different spells so I'm inclined to believe that they will stack.

It shouldn't be much of an issue for people not killing algalon though since wrath is probably the best trinket outside of that encounter and Death's Choice isn't a choice, it's a must have either way.

I'll have to do some more playing around with gear sets tonight and see what I get.

 

yamamoto

Gormal, if it's as simple as that, I'd be giddy as a school girl, but I do remember FrMorrison saying specifically to not check off Bloodlust in the temp buffs tab. I could be completely off though.