Just to double check, you are using 2.2.13 correct?
Read the first line of the post (which says the version I used). I always get the newest version, because when I open Rawr it says "do you want to upgrade" which helps a lot since Rawr still needs a few tweaks.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
From the looks of the Onyxia loot, there should be a lvl 245 version of Obsidian Edged Blade, which would be just about perfect for Ret as long as you're not expertise capped. The 232 version is 129 str, 159 stam, 92 expertise and 61 crit rating.
From the looks of the Onyxia loot, there should be a lvl 245 version of Obsidian Edged Blade, which would be just about perfect for Ret as long as you're not expertise capped. The 232 version is 129 str, 159 stam, 92 expertise and 61 crit rating.
No doubt there will be a 245 version of the weapon. However, expertise isn't the best stat anymore with SoV changes (10 for free) so that weapon will not be in any BiS list. Good if you don't have a 239 or higher weapon most likely.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
[Boneshatter Vambraces]
25 Normal - Icehowl (Northrend Beasts)
Unfortunately these do not have a socket so you would lose out on overall Strength, however with the Expertise I believe they would be more valuable over the [Titanium Spikeguards]. (Unless Exp Capped Of-course).
No doubt there will be a 245 version of the weapon. However, expertise isn't the best stat anymore with SoV changes (10 for free) so that weapon will not be in any BiS list. Good if you don't have a 239 or higher weapon most likely.
While true, there are cases where dropping the SoV glyph for the right weapon isn't that bad. For example, if you look at the BIS sets (plate and non-plate), you will notice the axe is used instead of the mace. If you were to drop the SoV glyph, equip the mace, and use the Exorcism glyph, you'd see about a 40 dps loss, which isn't much at all especially when you're looking at total values over 9k. And that's with going significantly over Exp cap.
Formally Xyrm/Zurm, the Ret Pally. Now playing my rogue, Zyrm, more casually with RL friends.
Okay in all fairness, I love these BiS topics, but can someone past me a fight where they actually DID these retardedly big numbers? It has to be ofcourse from someone with all the hardmode + leather items. Because these numbers are nothing to close from what I do on my toon. And I'am pretty close to BiS (from ulduar).
Okay in all fairness, I love these BiS topics, but can someone past me a fight where they actually DID these retardedly big numbers? It has to be ofcourse from someone with all the hardmode + leather items. Because these numbers are nothing to close from what I do on my toon. And I'am pretty close to BiS (from ulduar).
Gladly. Rawr puts me at about 7.1k DPS in my current gear for 3.2.
Deconstructor @ 7.3k DPS: Obviously higher due to the one heart phase (this was hard mode), but I also got two bomb effects (one gravity, one light).
Algalon @ 6.7k DPS: No damage multipliers, and running out for Bing Bang and Cosmic Smashes. I did about the same this past week as well, but our uploader has failed to remember to upload that raid.
EDIT:
Algalon @ 6.6k DPS: This week went a little slower than the previous week, but the DPS is quite close, so you know it's repeatable.
Factoring in lag/latency, reaction time, and fight mechanics, I'd say Rawr is pretty spot-on. And these numbers are without the leather gear or algalon trinkets that most people use to hit them.
Last edited by Zurm : 08/18/09 at 5:45 PM.
Formally Xyrm/Zurm, the Ret Pally. Now playing my rogue, Zyrm, more casually with RL friends.
That Bloodbath Belt was always in the Rawr file, but not in the post. I fixed it, also I swapped the FCFS priority around and got a few more dps.
Originally Posted by _Accident_
Okay in all fairness, I love these BiS topics, but can someone past me a fight where they actually DID these retardedly big numbers? It has to be ofcourse from someone with all the hardmode + leather items. Because these numbers are nothing to close from what I do on my toon. And I'am pretty close to BiS (from ulduar).
If you use utility (such as FoL, Hands, Cleanse, and Raidwall) even once this will lower your DPS. Healing and other utility perhaps should be covered the healer corps, but I still use utility so my DPS suffers (using FoL is the worst thing to do, since you could lose instant Exorcism and your swing timer). I am still in the top 5, but it could be higher. That said, Rawr says for my gear 7k and the actual is around 6.4k.
While not 100% accurate due to having to run from fire, choosing to use utility, encounter-specific buffs or buffs not having 100% coverage, Rawr is the best tool we have to model gearing.
Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
Okay in all fairness, I love these BiS topics, but can someone past me a fight where they actually DID these retardedly big numbers? It has to be ofcourse from someone with all the hardmode + leather items. Because these numbers are nothing to close from what I do on my toon. And I'am pretty close to BiS (from ulduar).
Rawr is pretty accurate if you stay on top of things, for example I changed my RAWR settings to match our Jaraxxus kill for time and the fact that he is a demon and in my current gear at the time (got two upgrades tonight) rawr has me at 7476 dps. I managed to get 7459 dps done to Jaraxxus himself, taking out the little bit of mistress cleave (all though I did actually attack them a little below 20%).
Rawr is a pretty good indicator of how well you should be doing on a tank and spank fight, the reason you see large fluctuations in reality is mostly due to a combination of boss mechanics and human error.
Okay in all fairness, I love these BiS topics, but can someone past me a fight where they actually DID these retardedly big numbers? It has to be ofcourse from someone with all the hardmode + leather items. Because these numbers are nothing to close from what I do on my toon. And I'am pretty close to BiS (from ulduar).
Rawr puts me at roughly 7130 DPS with my current gear (finally got t8.5 shoulders last night before Algalon).
Rawr has become very, very accurate and it is an excellent tool for judging where you should be with what gear you have available (on tank & spank fights naturally). Using utility will lower your DPS every single time but it will potentially save your raid and that is a worthy sacrifice.
Just to clarify this point; hardcasting FoL is the worst thing you can do since instant ones don't reset your swing timer.
I thought frmorrison was referring to using up an AoW proc on a Flash, thus not having it available for your next Exorcism. As we don't use Exo when anything else is off CD, without an AoW proc you have a choice: hardcast Exo and delay your next swing, or don't use Exo and delay your next special. Either is a loss of DPS.
Rawr is a pretty good indicator of how well you should be doing on a tank and spank fight, the reason you see large fluctuations in reality is mostly due to a combination of boss mechanics and human error.
Large fluctuations are also caused by not properly setting the actualy buffs you get during a raid. Not getting a shammy in your group can make a really big difference in numbers. Check the combat log for what buffs you actually did have during the fight, tick/untick those in the buffs. Make a comparison with rawr then.
The 2 step ret-program:
1) Get the gear
2) Convince your raidleader to give you a spot in the melee group
I thought frmorrison was referring to using up an AoW proc on a Flash, thus not having it available for your next Exorcism. As we don't use Exo when anything else is off CD, without an AoW proc you have a choice: hardcast Exo and delay your next swing, or don't use Exo and delay your next special. Either is a loss of DPS.
Very true, but raid-buffed you end up with so much crit that AoW usually refreshes extremely quickly so a flash heal on a low-hp clothie can sometimes save their ass and you'll still be able to exorcism again and all you have to do is crit once within ~8s. With how few free GCD's we have though, its still undoubtedly a dps loss. I was just clarifying the instant vs hardcasting part since while I know what he meant, it kind of read wierd to me. This isn't the right thread for the discussion really so I'll leave off.
Ah yeah, my guild is pretty good organised with everything. I'am only a 'support' dps (same as a boomkin) and therefor I'am basicly obligated to use my BoF, Divine Sarfice + bubble, Dispelling (on rare occasions or on myself), Salvations. This is where I probably lose a shit amount of dps in the end. Last night on algalon I was on 6.3k dps where Rawr says I should be on 6.6k, and on this fight I only had to use sacrifice.
Can anyone confirm if the proc from [Libram of Valiance] stacks with the one from [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] ? I tried to look at this last night, but in the chaos of the fights, I didn't get an answer and didn't have the log to go back through.
Can anyone confirm if the proc from [Libram of Valiance] stacks with the one from [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] ? I tried to look at this last night, but in the chaos of the fights, I didn't get an answer and didn't have the log to go back through.
Yes, they stack.
Generally, the only time buffs of that nature won't stack is when they share the same name or have very similar properties. e.g. DMC:G, you can have both the AGI and STR one on at the same time, but they will never proc together since they share an ICD.
Generally, the only time buffs of that nature won't stack is when they share the same name or have very similar properties. e.g. DMC:G, you can have both the AGI and STR one on at the same time, but they will never proc together since they share an ICD.
In the OP you list [Inscribed Ametrine] as a valid choice for any "good" yellow socket. After tinkering with RAWR a bit, it seems a +4 Strength bonus is worth a yellow gem once you attain 2pieceT9 (as Crit/Agi's weight increases by roughly 16%). The more ilvl 258 gear you acquire, the smaller this gap becomes. When you near BiS gear, an [Inscribed Ametrine] is worth using over a [Bold Cardinal Ruby] when the bonus is +3 Strength or higher.
When making sure you get the absolute best out of your toon via using Leather and Mail, do you ever feel greedy or guilty when winning them over rogues,druids,hunters, and shamans when the item isn't crafted?
Now I've looked at the BiS lists and see that the only leather/mail items are crafted; haven't checked in the last couple of days tho, so there would be no guilt or greedy notions involved so does anyone every upgrade to leather/mail items that aren't BiS and feel the pressure from your other raiding members about your choices?
"Only the ignorant laugh when Paladin DPS is mentioned." - Eyonix
When making sure you get the absolute best out of your toon via using Leather and Mail, do you ever feel greedy or guilty when winning them over rogues,druids,hunters, and shamans when the item isn't crafted?
Now I've looked at the BiS lists and see that the only leather/mail items are crafted; haven't checked in the last couple of days tho, so there would be no guilt or greedy notions involved so does anyone every upgrade to leather/mail items that aren't BiS and feel the pressure from your other raiding members about your choices?
No but I do feel that I'm using substandard gear even if it is a DPS upgrade. It's really shit that the gear that we are meant to use is not always the best choice for us. And I don't mean agi rings and necks (though those shouldn't really win out either) but why in gods name would I want to be using leather as a plate wearer. It feels really silly and I try to avoid it where I can.
I try to plan out my gear sets using all plate first and compare it to the BiS for the content were in which is usually non-hard modes.
Most of the problems I've found with the 245 non hard mode gear is that it all has expertise on it so pretty much anything is better than it. I saw less of a problem if you can get your hands on some of the 10 man hard loots like the belt.
As a side note I got Justicebringer last night and it hits things really really hard...in the face!
i dont know if i am to stupid but if i trying to load the BiS xml file the follow errors appears
Step Name: Get Item
Description: No item returned from Armory for 48619
even if i am updating wowhead item cache und loading possible upgrades and so on it still not works
the only items from the item level 258 are some randoms and the set gloves is there any known bug or so ??
Your not alone on this. A few hours ago I wiped my Rawr folder and sets that I downloaded from this thread again, because I was having some major DPS discrepancies and now I cannot load any of the BiS files using Rawr. I have to manually put them in myself.
08/15/09, 3:41 PM
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