Allow me to make an analogy. From my viewpoint, all of you arguing about our healing and utility make about as much sense to me as a tank or healer trying to maximize their DPS. Is it nice and potentially helpful? Sure, but NEVER at the cost of your primary role. To any degree. This is seriously like the holy paladins making a thread to discuss how to maximize their judgement damage.

But remember that (unless you're running between mobs) AoW FoL is always a DPS loss (and if you're running between mobs your DPS is zero so it doesn't matter). You're always pushing the effective cooldown of some other DPs ability longer to toss that heal. It's the same thing with any of our utility spells - from Salvation to Divine Sacrifice to Cleanse - if you're using a GCD and whatever you're casting doesn't miraculously line up with one of the two free GCD's per minute we get to play with you are flat out losing DPS.

It's a gray area. There are times when it is acceptable, even preferable, to cut your DPS for some outside benefit. The downstairs in Yogg happens to be a good example of this in my experience. It is why I don't like the whole "you job is to do DPS and only DPS" rhetoric that this thread seems to be attracting. Our primary job is to do as much DPS as possible, but it doesn't mean completely ignoring everything else.

For the record though, while the Divine Storm glyph sounds interesting, I don't feel that it's worth the tradeoff.

Ah, I simply can never resist the great utility v. dps debate. This always seems to be touchy & I fail to see why people get so heated up about it, but I'd just like to make a few points.

In the case described here we're talking about ~50 dps v. ~75hps. In addition, the 50 dps loss we're incurring is in the form of 20% of one of our highest damage per cast abilities. Over the course of an entire raid, I'd have to say the effects of either glyph are for the most part irrelevant. The real discussion here is the situational benefits of each. Glyph of DS has the potential (albeit low potential) to buy healers a little time to top the raid off. This would most likely have its greatest effect in a fight like Mimiron where there is a lot of damage going out & a 1500 heal on the lowest raid member can mean a lot, even if it is only every 10 seconds or so. The glyph of exorcism favors dps races & situations where a large crit can really make a difference.

Zurm is exactly right about the gray area between using your utility & not doing your primary job. This argument & the points on both sides help define this gray area & throws a little math at what utility we can add to a raid & how much dps it costs. I'm sure sacrificing 200 dps for 1000 hps is a trade most of us would make, so there's probably a point somewhere at which the dps loss would be offset by a utility gain & I think it's important to at least take a look at the gain & loss due to changing something like these glyphs. Nonetheless, choices like this should be made according to your own specific situation. If you see your raid a little slow on topping people off, maybe this is for you. If you're already running into enrage timers, maybe you should stick to exorcism.

In this case I personally don't think the gain is great enough to warrant the change, but I'm happy that high end ret pallies are at least looking at the possibilities & taking the time to explore all options.

I could see it helping on Vezax HM if your guild is having more healing than dps troubles. Even the top guilds have nights where they run less than stellar comps due to absentees, so I guess there are times where it might be okay. My biggest problem with it is that I gear around the SoV glyph and don't want to keep a completely different set around so that 50dps loss doesn't turn into something greater just for one or two fights.