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Old 11/16/09, 1:59 PM   #101
Sierin
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ErrorMonster (ErrorMonster - WoW AddOns - WowAce.com) is a great addon to get rid of the red error text without having to macro everything with the extra clearUI line. Also, it lets you put the errors elsewhere (like chat) so you can still see the errors, but not have it affect your view. This helps a ton for cleaning up UI spam during raids.

Proculas (Proculas - Addons - Curse) is another mod for tracking when things proc. I use it to track the ICD on my trinkets. I'm guessing it is similar to the other ones listed here, but wanted to mention it as an alternative. One note of caution is to make sure you set it up to only track what you want to watch and you may need to tweak the settings some to keep it from being spammy, especially with paladins. I have the message output turned off and just use a timer bar to display the information I want.
 
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Old 11/16/09, 2:40 PM   #102
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Proculas has not been updated for a while, so before adding it, you may want to make sure tickets are put in to add new weapons/trinkets/et cetera. On the wowace page, the author has indicated that all new updates will be through wowinterface.com; however, it has not been updated there since May 2009. Bottom line - This is a great add-on, but unless it starts to be updated with new procs, it will become more and more useless as time goes on, and I'd be wary about adding it into the UI.

Edited to add: Even the versions updated later than the wowinterface one were last updated in September, so the point of many procs not being included still stands.

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Old 11/16/09, 4:20 PM   #103
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Originally Posted by Kleopatra View Post
Proculas has not been updated for a while, so before adding it, you may want to make sure tickets are put in to add new weapons/trinkets/et cetera. On the wowace page, the author has indicated that all new updates will be through wowinterface.com; however, it has not been updated there since May 2009. Bottom line - This is a great add-on, but unless it starts to be updated with new procs, it will become more and more useless as time goes on, and I'd be wary about adding it into the UI.
I know it says that on the Curse page, but if you look the Curse one was updated last on 9/16/09 with version 1.6.7, whereas the WoWInterface one is version 1.6.3. The author names are different so I'm not sure if someone else has continued this. Hopefully it will continue to be supported.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 8:23 AM   #104
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Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
Originally Posted by Noraj View Post
Keypress lag
If you're looking to try and reduce lag between button presses and skill activation, there's a new mod out called SnowfallFastAction which operates on the principle that by default, actions occur when a key/buttton is released, rather than when it is pressed. The addon changes this so that the assigned action fires on key-down instead of key-up. If you like to hold your buttons down and release at the end of the GCD, this probably isn't for you. Not having tried this out yet, I can't make any comment on its usefulness.
While this addon looks interesting, if you're using non-Blizzard action bar buttons, this addon isn't going to do anything for them. Maybe a future release will work with common action bar addons like Bartender and Dominoes.
This addon now goes under a different name, SnowfallKeyPress, and supports all action bar addons. It should be added to the list of essential addons as it physically increases your DPS potential, something no other addon does. In fact you could argue that it is the most essential addon out there now.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 9:17 AM   #105
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Adding Proculas and SnowfallKeyPress.

I actually just gave SnowfallKeyPress a whirl, and it works perfectly (and quite noticeably) with Shadowed Unit Frames without a hitch. Excellent find, Thethiala (and Noraj, for originally mentioning it).

 
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Old 11/18/09, 2:58 PM   #106
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I got a suggestion about one macro

It will only help you to " control " your proc and IE let you have two proc at the same time + wings. I think zurm will understand what i mean

#showtooltip
/equipslot 13 FirstTrinketName
/equipslot 14 SecondTrinketName
/equipslot 13 SecondTrinketName
/equipslot 14 FirstTrinketName

Just click on the macro one time before the pull and it will swap your trinket position in your char sheet. It will activate the 45 sec cooldown before it can proc.

Edit : Thx for Capstone

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Old 11/18/09, 3:48 PM   #107
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Originally Posted by Coox View Post
Just click on the macro one time before the pull and it will swap your trinket position in your char sheet. It will activate the 30 sec cooldown before it can proc.
Minor nitpick: the 30s CD is for on use trinkets; swapping a proc trinket will reset its internal CD, which is typically 45s(you would however typically want to do the swap 30s before a pull so that it procs 15s in, aligning nicely with your 5-stack HV to blow wings).
 
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Old 11/18/09, 4:13 PM   #108
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A Different Approach to Assist Macros

I’d like to share my approach to assist macros. I welcome and encourage everyone’s feedback.

Using a simple assist macro gives you the freedom to attack the target of your choice unless you want to pick up your focus’ target. This is terrific for boss fights, but why not extend the same principle a little further? Consider those multi-mob pulls that hit hard enough for you to dislike their attention. You can carefully monitor their health bars and make sure you tap your assist macro as soon as they die to make sure you’re targeting the correct new mob, and monitor your threat meter for clues that your tank switched targets on you without you realizing it. If you have a focus-target unit frame, you can monitor it relative to your target to make sure they match. Maybe you can periodically just tap the assist macro. All of these things will work.

Sure, you’re a plate class with self-healing ability and not some fire-mage. If some mob spins on you because you were concentrating on something else for a moment, sure you can back off the DPS, pop a heal or hope a healer will get you, pick up focus-target again and drive on. Unfortunately this means lower DPS, and if your healer has to save your butt, that’s less healing where it should be going.

In the spirit of face-rolling, why not make sure every single attack will be directed towards the focus-target? By moving the assist macro into each attack and changing your existing assist macro to a toggle focus macro, you are now free to concentrate on more important things like staying out of the aoe-ouch, moving behind the target, monitoring your threat, and so on.

Here’s how it works. First replace all of your attacks using this template, replacing Crusader Strike with the attack if your choice as you do.

#showtooltip
/cleartarget [dead]
/targetenemy [noexists]
/assist focus
/startattack
/cast Crusader Strike
/Script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

(1) Cleartarget drops target if it's dead.
(2) I use Targetenemy to grab the next mob, this retains functionality for solo play.
(3) Assist Focus = if I set focus, it'll override the Targetenemy line every time I use this attack.
(4) Startattack to begin melee auto-attacks
(5) Cast to cast the attack
(6) Script to clear the annoying “You can’t do this” warning if applicable

Your attacks will function as default until you set focus. By setting your focus on the main DPS or tank that you're supporting, it ensures that every attack lands on their target. In short it is the equivalent of tapping your assist macro before every single attack.

You may be thinking, what happens if you’re in a PUG and the tank that you have as focus turns into Rambo and decides to run off to get a head start on the next pull, expecting the DPS to finish off what he already started? With every attack bound to focus-target and the tank running down the hall targeting that group 50 yards away, you're now powerless. Well, for those situations, or any number of times I want to turn off that "attack only focus-target" feature, I have a macro to clear focus and return control back to me.

/clearfocus
/focus [mod:shift]
/target [mod:alt] MyTank
/focus [mod:alt]

Unmodified, it clears my focus. If I hold down <shift> first, it sets my focus to whoever I have targeted. It’s also really easy to edit the macro and change "MyTank" to whichever player name you want so that using <alt> and the macro will set your focus right back on your tank again.

I find it reassuring to have it bound right beside my attack rotation keys so you can smack it in an urgent situation, but I find this generally unnecessary and rarely have to use it. I find that I might have to drop focus a handful of times per instance max, whereas I was using the separate assist macro constantly. Like any UI change, once you're accustomed to it, it becomes second nature and, for me, it has become the only way I configure my DPS characters and I think you'd love it too.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 7:13 PM   #109
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Not sure if it's possible, but I was wondering if there was a way to macro in a timer.

For example:
I currently have macro that switches my 2 trinkets that I press about 30 seconds before the start of an encounter so that they don't proc on the first hit. However, the ICD display doesn't show until they've been used. So is there a way to show either a digital countdown or a bar or something that counts down from 45 seconds that pops up on my screen as soon as I switch the trinks?

Thanks for the help.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 7:45 PM   #110
Trogdorhunter
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Originally Posted by Æsbiorn View Post
Not sure if it's possible, but I was wondering if there was a way to macro in a timer.

For example:
I currently have macro that switches my 2 trinkets that I press about 30 seconds before the start of an encounter so that they don't proc on the first hit. However, the ICD display doesn't show until they've been used. So is there a way to show either a digital countdown or a bar or something that counts down from 45 seconds that pops up on my screen as soon as I switch the trinks?

Thanks for the help.
I haven't tried it but I'm guessing if you have Deadly Boss Mod, you could add a line to your macro that goes something like this:

/dbm timer <time> <name>

with time in the format "mm:ss" or "ss" and the name being whatever you like.

for example:

/dbm timer 30 Trinket


Edit: added example for clarity

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Old 11/18/09, 7:47 PM   #111
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Originally Posted by Trogdorhunter View Post
I haven't tried it but I'm guessing if you have Deadly Boss Mod, you could add a line to your macro that goes something like this:

/dbm timer <time> <name>

with time in "mm:ss" and the name being whatever you like.

Wow, that was easy. TYVM.
 
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Old 11/18/09, 9:56 PM   #112
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The Seal of Command and Seal of Corruption/Vengeance libram swap macros will be broken in 3.3, although our new libram won't require switches.
 
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Old 11/19/09, 12:16 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by Glutton View Post
The Seal of Command and Seal of Corruption/Vengeance libram swap macros will be broken in 3.3, although our new libram won't require switches.
Since the libram is a small dps increase, people will still need the macros for a while (390 badges for 5 pieces), I guess if the GCD lock macros don't work you would have to use /cast Seal of X /equip Y instead.

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Old 11/19/09, 5:32 PM   #114
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This one isn't really an addon, as much as it is a script... but it is posted on wowinterface, so IMO it still counts.

Leatrix Latency Fix is a script that modifies your TCP settings to increase the TCPAcknowledge frequency. I could go into detail about what the hell that means, but the author does a much better job that I could explaining the change in his description.

Basically, this script will lower your latency by "an average of 66%" (according to the page). I used it, and my latency went from 200-700 ms, down to 90-200 ms. The best part about this package, is that it includes an "undo" script to restore your settings back to normal when you are not playing wow (as opposed to having to edit Registry Files to perform the same tasks).

There is even a line of code for Terminal for those using Macs.
 
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Old 11/20/09, 11:40 AM   #115
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I didn't see it anywhere but I thought it'd be worth a mention on section Vb.

You can use a slash command to toggle a bar's visibility in dominos and bartender. I don't have bartender in front of me to look right now, but I've used it in a the past. For Dominos it's /dom toggle <barnumber>

OPie is a very neat addon, but since you're probably using a bar mod anyways why not take advantage of one of it's features and save yourself an addition addon to update (imo). Of course the disadvantages being you'll probably have to use a macro and an actionbar slot (to keybind) to do so.
 
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Old 11/20/09, 1:44 PM   #116
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Originally Posted by Nobias View Post
OPie is a very neat addon, but since you're probably using a bar mod anyways why not take advantage of one of it's features and save yourself an addition addon to update (imo). Of course the disadvantages being you'll probably have to use a macro and an actionbar slot (to keybind) to do so.
Opie also doesn't use up your limited action bar slots, and instead saves the added buttons in its lua. Plus it allows for better organization because of how the rings allow you to group things.

 
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Old 11/20/09, 5:44 PM   #117
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Sorry, please delete. Found answer.

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Old Yesterday, 1:03 AM   #118
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After giving Skada a whirl for 3 weeks or so of raiding, I have to recommend against it. While the modular approach and the inclusion of Threat is quite nice, it's been inaccurate for me up to 700 DPS when compared to Combat Log Parses. I don't use DPS numbers to stroke my epeen, I use them to gauge and track my performance on specific encounters and to test various ideas I may have. In doing so, I need as accurate of information as I can get, preferrably on the fly. When I see some of the numbers I've gotten in Skada, I honestly wonder why I'm doing so poorly, then turn around and find out after the raid I was fine.

I guess it's ok if people have PC issues or low amounts of memory. But if you have a decent PC, Recount and Omen set to toggle in a similar manner as Skada should be far superior in terms of accuracy.
 
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Unread Today, 5:34 PM   #119
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Originally Posted by noxicon View Post
After giving Skada a whirl for 3 weeks or so of raiding, I have to recommend against it. While the modular approach and the inclusion of Threat is quite nice, it's been inaccurate for me up to 700 DPS when compared to Combat Log Parses. I don't use DPS numbers to stroke my epeen, I use them to gauge and track my performance on specific encounters and to test various ideas I may have. In doing so, I need as accurate of information as I can get, preferrably on the fly. When I see some of the numbers I've gotten in Skada, I honestly wonder why I'm doing so poorly, then turn around and find out after the raid I was fine.

I guess it's ok if people have PC issues or low amounts of memory. But if you have a decent PC, Recount and Omen set to toggle in a similar manner as Skada should be far superior in terms of accuracy.
I've never seen recount agree with a World of Logs parse (or WMO or WWS for that matter). I've been running Skada and comparing against recount from other raid members and seeing basically equivalent numbers. Further, if all you want is to compare one thing versus another a meter that is consistently inaccurate is as useful as one that's consistently accurate since you're measuring variance not absolute value.

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