Retribution BiS Lists for 3.3 - Page 2

• frmorrison · 12/13/09, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anubiszerox

I'm not quite sure I understand the choice of trinkets. In rawr both Death's Choice still are rated at the top, while you have Whispering Fanged Skull listed.

My question is why is that?

Thanks in advance.

I listed the reasoning in my FAQ. I manually added procs in (the default Rawr doesn't have them).

For someone looking at the ranking of trinkets:
DC (heroic)>Whispering Skull (heroic)>DC>War Token>Whispering Skull>>DM:Greatness>Deathbringer's Will(heroic)>Deathbringer's Will

Originally Posted by Kromix

I'm not sure of the validity of the effectiveness of the new trinket. Comparing the 264 version with DV 245:

Assuming Redcape's stat weights

Not sure if my math here is completely right, but it seems to work for me. The main point here is that you are trading 227.5 AP for 148 crit when switching from DV to WFS, which even by eyeballing doesn't seem to be a good trade.

Rawr doesn't use Redcape's stat weights (which use Redcape's gear, not BiS gear so aren't valid for this list). Rawr is taking into account all the numbers. However Death's Choice (245) is better than Whispering Skull (251). Note you can only have one trinket of each this tier (you can still have two DC).

Originally Posted by xxlstryderlxx

frmorrison, a minor mistake for your BiS Heroic.zip, you forgot to put berserking on the weapon.

Fixed.

Baklava09 · 12/13/09, 10:53 PM

How do you put the effect of Deathbringer's Will into Rawr?

• frmorrison · 12/13/09, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Baklava09

How do you put the effect of Deathbringer's Will into Rawr?

I may have modeled incorrectly. It has a 50% chance to proc a buff for 30 seconds with a 105s ICD. I just used 600 crit rating as the buff amount. The better way would do to 200 (233 for heroic) haste/crit/str to account for either three coming up, since there is no favored buff. It doesn't change the rankings though.

Glutton · 12/13/09, 11:34 PM

One method would be to input the proc as a 30 second buff that grants 200 STR/Crit/Haste on a 105 second ICD. However I'm inclined to model it as the worst case scenario (600 haste) given the huge variation in DPS that the trinket can provide. Let's assume a 5 minute encounter.

3x haste procs: 315 DPS ; a bit higher than Wrathstone
3x crit procs: 383 DPS ; slightly below STR Greatness
1x of each proc: 402 DPS; slightly below STR Greatness
3x str procs: 502 DPS ; slightly below 245 Death's Choice

Legwens · 12/14/09, 10:29 AM

A few questions, Since someone mentioned it, I was curious, does anyone have a double 2set BIS list,.... im guessing it would be near the same, ... probably just switch out the shoulders and helm or something near that?
And as far as a BIS list for Non-herioc 277 gear, would there be a any changes or could you switch out all the 277ilvls with their non-herioc versions, and still hit the exp/hit caps and still be at maximum dps for that gear level, OR at the 264 level would double 2set pull ahead of the actual 4set 264?

EDIT: Went in and switched around all the herioc items to their 264 version, removed icewalker, and put on tier 9 helm and shoulders, and still hit both caps and got a total of 10762 dps with BS/enchanting. A few items do seem to get switched around, for example, the 264 deathwhisper neck is a little worse than the boe trash neck, also sylv's cunning >264 gunship cloak, other than those minor upgrades, not much actually changes. Been a long time reader, but im new to posting, and cant figure out how to upload an attachment on this forum

• frmorrison · 12/14/09, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Legwens

A few questions, Since someone mentioned it, I was curious, does anyone have a double 2set BIS list

cant figure out how to upload an attachment on this forum

Double 2 piece (T9 and T10) don't meet the definition of BiS as listed in the OP. The normal mode gear list cannot include 258 for ToC (that is from a heroic mode), so with two 245 T9 you are better off with four 264 T10 (but it is interesting that with two 258 T9 and two 264 T10 the dps is 100 higher than with four 264). So a normal mode raider has a reason to try to get heroic Anub.

Only benefactors can link files on this forum, so free feel to just give a gear listing or link to a file sharing site if you want to share a specific gear listing with others.

Kellendros · 12/14/09, 2:21 PM

I have just discovered a different combination for the normal mode gear, wich is slitely better without frostmourne.

Head - Tier
Neck - Infected Choker - Professor Putrice (10m)
Shoulder - tier
Back - Winding Sheet - Rotface (25m)
Chest - tier
Wrist - Polar Bear Claws - Gunship battle (25m)
Hands - tier
Belt - Etched dragonbone gridle - Sindragosa (10m)
Legs - battle maiden leggards - Prince Valanaar (10m)
Feet - Blood Soaked Stompers - Lady death-whisper (25m)
Ring1 - Skeleton Lord's Circlet - Gunship (25m)
ring2 - Ashen veredict of endless vengeance
trinket1 - Death choice 258 - twins
trinket2 - Death choice 245 - twins

Weapon - Cryptmaker

Rawr dps = 10667

with an special flavor in it, no skirts.

T.K. · 12/14/09, 3:11 PM

DV 258 = Hard Mode Twins = Don't qualify for normal mode

Malleus · 12/14/09, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by T.K.

DV 258 = Hard Mode Twins = Don't qualify for normal mode

On the other hand, the idea of "normal mode only" lists is to provide reasonable aspirations for guilds that aren't raiding cutting edge content. TOGC25 is no longer cutting edge; you can outgear it with ICC normal loot. That makes DV258 accessible to the non-hardcore raider.

• frmorrison · 12/14/09, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kellendros

Weapon - Cryptmaker

If you have been following the various discussions,there is proof that Bryntroll is the best normal mode item. Cryptmaker is 2nd best of the normal mode boss drops. Actually, I don't know where Shadow's Edge lies among those items.

Originally Posted by Malleus

On the other hand, the idea of "normal mode only" lists is to provide reasonable aspirations for guilds that aren't raiding cutting edge content. TOGC25 is no longer cutting edge; you can outgear it with ICC normal loot. That makes DV258 accessible to the non-hardcore raider.

Heroic Anub is harder than the first four ICC bosses, but ICC does get harder. I agree that a normal mode guild should try to get Heroic ToC, but the normal mode list is normal mode items only.

Kellendros · 12/14/09, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Malleus

On the other hand, the idea of "normal mode only" lists is to provide reasonable aspirations for guilds that aren't raiding cutting edge content. TOGC25 is no longer cutting edge; you can outgear it with ICC normal loot. That makes DV258 accessible to the non-hardcore raider.

the logic makes sense, but TK is actually right, i will edit the post and put whispering fanged skull in DC place as soon as rawr fix its proc. if someone can program it an wish do share the information, would be nice.

@frmorrison: the fact the weapon is the second best alone does not mean its not the best in a very well prepared gear.

Legwens · 12/14/09, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

If you have been following the various discussions,there is proof that Bryntroll is the best normal mode item. Cryptmaker is 2nd best of the normal mode boss drops. Actually, I don't know where Shadow's Edge lies among those items.

I added it in manually and it says its the best 264 even with the 15% proc rate bryntroll.

Kellendros · 12/14/09, 10:28 PM

than again, i did not say cryp is better than bryntoll in a 1x1, but it can be, depended on the gear you have or want to have. This assuming the numbers we have at this moment in rawr.

gmedina · 12/15/09, 12:32 AM

Found a Normal Plate set with 10785 dps, not sure why you have might of blight or the might of the ocean as so highly rated for me on rawr they are fairly low.

Head Sanctified Lightsworn Helmet
Neck Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard
Shoulders Sanctified Lightsworn Shoulderplates
Chest Sanctified Lightsworn Battleplate
Waist Coldwraith Links
Legs Sanctified Lightsworn Legplates
Feet Blood-Soaked Saronite Stompers
Wrist Polar Bear Claw Bracers
Hands Fleshrending Gauntlets
Finger1 Seal of Many Mouths
Finger2 Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance
Trinket1 Death's Verdict
Trinket2 Whispering Fanged Skull
Back Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak
MainHand Shadow's Edge
Ranged Libram of Valiance

jgRnt · 12/15/09, 4:06 AM

Originally Posted by Kellendros

than again, i did not say cryp is better than bryntoll in a 1x1, but it can be, depended on the gear you have or want to have. This assuming the numbers we have at this moment in rawr.

But the point of a BiS list isn't to take into account what gear you have at the moment, but what collected set of gear pieces would bring out the most dps in an optimal situation and the situation is modelled for a single target boss fight, which most bosses, in essence, are.