I posted the values I edited in for the Skull and other items in the OP when I first posted it.

The point of this thread is to create the very best set of gear with exceptions (heroic versus normal) for ICC25. Create a better set with the Crypt weapon and if I verify it with my Rawr (which has all the item procs manually added to it) I would change my list.
With this in mind and since Rawr doesn't do model boss encounters very well, I had to pick a few items that are slightly ranked lower on single target (expertise items) but are by far the best on multi-target when you lose 10 expertise swapping to Command.

I would like to ask noobish question about trinkets for Plate normal mode. You wrote the BiS is Death Choice and Wishpering Skull and in your trinket ranking below there is War Token > then Wishpering Skull. Could you explain that? Thank you

Sorry about the heroic ring, it has the normal version now.
I have Shadow's Edge in my Rawr, however Bryntroll just 5 dps less with a 16% chance on meleehit to proc 2230 (in reality it is 11%, but Rawr doesn't model all melee hits so I had to pad the Rawr % to proc). Technically Shadow's Edge is better, but those that have it will get Shadowmourne, which I included as the alternative weapon for each gear listing.
Bloodfall is the 3rd best 2H normal mode weapon using the normal mode BiS list.


Sorry, I mistyped the order of trinkets. Skull (normal) is better than War Token.

I don't know if Shadow's Edge will be even close to the 264 Bryntroll. On a single target non gimmick fight like H25 Jaraxxus the proc provided 707 DPS.

Seal of Many Mouths is a Non-Plate Item. I know Ring and all but the all-Plate gear lists, to my understanding, never takes items away from agi based classes. Which is why The Rep ring is OK because us having it doesn't mean a Agi based Class couldn't get it. While the Seal of Many Mouths is a Boss drop meaning if we have it we took the opportunity to have the ring from a Agi Based class.

I was just wondering, with the t10 2-set bonus are we going to be using consecration enough to get the full benefit of the Consecration Glyph? I was thinking... it might help the raid quite a bit with the Divine Storm glyph with all the extra Divine storms we'll be getting...

Difficult to say without testing the tier 10 two piece bonus. I would think the Consecration glyph is needed for exactly that reason though, longer duration should mean less CD clashes.

No.

The consecrate glyph increases Consecrate damage by 25%, and the Exorcism glyph increases Exorcism damage by 20%. If you have both you should see them doing very similar damage on undead targets, but Consecrate has both the advantages of hitting several targets when necessary and also having a shorter cooldown which increases the dps gain. Your best two glyphs for maximizing dps even with 2pt10 are Consecrate and Judgement. After that you have SoV/C, Exorcism and Divine Storm as rational alternatives, and that depends on your expertise situation and how you value the healing from DS.

A Best in Slot thread should never use glyph of Divine Storm because it will never increase your dps (it may increase the raid dps if the smart heal saved someone though). Since Blizzard loves to put in AoE situations, Cons will never be dropped this expansion. The GCD and mana savings is invaluable.

However, if you wanted to max your trash AoE contribution, you could swap the SoV/Exo glyph with the Divine Storm glyph for help with trash mob healing.

Yes, after reconsideration I would think that glyph of Exorcism would be a better candidate to replace if you don't need the expertise from Glyph of Seal of Vengeance. I don't think you'd see a noticeable dps loss if you'd dropped Glyph of Exorcism for Glyph of Divine Storm. Yes, I realize that this forum is mainly for maximizing our dps, but in general I think it's better to help the raid other than beat people on the dps meters. I was only wondering what you guys thought about it.

How much does Glyph of Exorcism increase our dps, especially if the 2-piece bonus might cut it out of our rotation a majority of the time?

I've done some napkin math regarding Glyph of Divine Storm in (go figure) the thread discussing it.

In order for the Glyph to be useful you need:
A) Someone (or multiple people) who will die without a heal
B) The extra healing of the Glyph to be enough to prevent the death (a 2k overkill is moot, they're still dead), or delay the death long enough for a healer to cast a spell
C) Your DS to go off between taking initial damage (heal at 100% is overheal) and killing blow.

The chances of the Glyph being the difference between death or not (requirement B) is low - most kills are very high overkill. The chance of your DS being used within this window of opportunity (requirement C) is also low - you're hitting it on cooldown, not saving it for emergencies.

The Glyph could save a life, IF you DS at exactly the right moment, AND the right person is within range to be healed, AND are taking small enough damage that they don't die anyway. I think it was maybe 1 death in a thousand or ten thousand.

Otherwise all you've done is caused slightly greater overheal for your raid healers at the loss of a tiny bit of DPS (as said above 40-75DPS). You can just as easily argue that 40-75 more DPS would have prevented that 1% wipe - the boss would have died before you lost healer/tank/DPS.

If you don't need Glyph of SoV, use Exo or DS at your pleasure. Neither is going to make you look like a superstar. Exo's DPS will be lost in the RNG fluctiation of a fight and DS's healing lost in the ocean of overheal. Even 2%-max-health-nerfed JoL is superior to DS, Glyphed or not.