Retribution BiS Lists for 3.3 - Page 41

vorda · 05/03/10, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by angelesies

The herkuml war token is showing a significant dps increase over the 245 Death's choice in rawr 2.315 has anyone else noticed this?

I cannot reproduce this in a fresh download of Rawr with the Heroic All Items profile.
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• frmorrison · 05/03/10, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by angelesies

The herkuml war token is showing a significant dps increase over the 245 Death's choice in rawr 2.315 has anyone else noticed this?

I tried it with different gear lists and all show at least 50 dps higher. Note Rawr is modeling Patchwerk, so at times War Token is in reality weaker if your stack falls off (differs per the encounter). You must have incorrect settings.

Halens · 05/04/10, 8:59 AM

I cant seem to recreate it either this is what I'm getting.

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Trakor · 05/04/10, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by angelesies

The herkuml war token is showing a significant dps increase over the 245 Death's choice in rawr 2.315 has anyone else noticed this?

Maybe you need to set the encounter to 60min in order to get a better (more constant) value from the haste.

Rammurg · 05/04/10, 9:11 AM

One thing that might cause it is that if you prioritize DS above CS (otherwise the same priority as in the OP), Haste spikes in value at around 600-650 rating - in my case a 264 haste ring would pass a 277 expertise ring in value, with almost all the expertise used.

Halens · 05/04/10, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Trakor

Maybe you need to set the encounter to 60min in order to get a better (more constant) value from the haste.

So basically the trinket's DPS rating is dependent upon his guild's raid DPS?

One thing that might cause it is that if you prioritize DS above CS

I tried this and it didn't change the DPS ranking of WFS vs HWT let alone 245 DV. Is there something I'm missing?

angelesies · 05/04/10, 11:18 AM

I believe it was an error possibly in 2.315 because it seems no one else has been able to recreate it. Im personally going to stick with my DV. Until someone can show that haste at a certain level becomes much greater in value where its worth replacing the trinket.

Kolori · 05/13/10, 5:35 AM

Using Rawr 2.3.15 looking at BiS heroic all items I'm getting 12 dps increase switching Sindragosa's Cruel Claw to Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard and Band of the Bone Colossus to Frostbrood Sapphire ring without changing gemming or touching to anything else.

King-Slide · 05/14/10, 11:38 PM

Heppypoo · 05/17/10, 3:55 PM

Ran it several times, and still the same answer.

The new version of rawr is showing H bryntroll around 30 dps higher than my H Bloodfall. Not sure if this is due to my current gear or a different valuing of the item. Below is a link to my rawr file.

Download hep1.xml

• frmorrison · 05/17/10, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kolori

Using Rawr 2.3.15 looking at BiS heroic all items I'm getting 12 dps increase switching Sindragosa's Cruel Claw to Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard and Band of the Bone Colossus to Frostbrood Sapphire ring without changing gemming or touching to anything else.

I don't always agree with Rawr such as in this case.

Originally Posted by Heppypoo

Ran it several times, and still the same answer.

The new version of rawr is showing H bryntroll around 30 dps higher than my H Bloodfall. Not sure if this is due to my current gear or a different valuing of the item. Below is a link to my rawr file.

Download hep1.xml

The difference between the two is small either way. I show a small difference favoring Bryntroll in All Items (which has more haste) but with less haste Bloodfall is favored.

seemore · 05/18/10, 1:10 PM

in the OP it says "use 1 expertise gem in this set" (for the all items list). i assume that is cause the only expertise comes from the tier legs. what about the "heroic plate only list" if you have shadowmourne? do you still have to use 1 expertise gem? cause Rawr claims that even below exp cap, a STR gem will give more DPS than an EXP gem.

Glutton · 05/18/10, 3:41 PM

Well, that's disappointing. The Ruby Sanctum melee trinket is going to have static ArmP on it in addition to the AP proc. The ilvl 284 version will be a 22 DPS upgrade over ilvl 258 Death's Choice, but the ilvl 271 version will be a 75 DPS downgrade.

vorda · 05/18/10, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by seemore

in the OP it says "use 1 expertise gem in this set" (for the all items list). i assume that is cause the only expertise comes from the tier legs. what about the "heroic plate only list" if you have shadowmourne? do you still have to use 1 expertise gem? cause Rawr claims that even below exp cap, a STR gem will give more DPS than an EXP gem.

This subject has been touched in one of the earlier BiS topics. The benefit of Exp capped is less RNG. It does indeed seem that (according to Rawr), on the long run favoring str over exp is more dps, but the difference is so little that it's recommended to cap it.

Avitus · 05/20/10, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by vorda

This subject has been touched in one of the earlier BiS topics. The benefit of Exp capped is less RNG. It does indeed seem that (according to Rawr), on the long run favoring str over exp is more dps, but the difference is so little that it's recommended to cap it.

Actually using Shadowmourne and being close enough to the BiS set, Rawr will start to pick Exp over Str if under cap.

Using Spreadsheet to confirm this, if you use BiS stats Str:Exp will be about 1:1. If you factor in that the Spreadsheet (Redcape's 4.2) doesn't model things such as Shadowmourne's Chaos Bane proc and account for that, Exp actually passes ahead of Str, which is the same thing Rawr is saying.

At BiS (or close to BiS level) the point of inflection is passed: Exp is not just close to Str and preferred to counter RNG, but flat out better for theoretical DPS numbers as well.