|
Retribution BiS Lists for 3.3
7 Attachment(s)
[top]IntroductionIn the context of this thread, "Best in Slot" means the best items assuming you had access to all 25 man items. Note the point of these lists is not that you only should only equip these items; you should use any upgrade even if it is not listed here. There are many different gear variations that are marginally less dps. The first two lists are based on all Heroic Mode items and whether you are allowed to use only Plate (Strength based but you can use agility items from quests and vendors) Items or All Items and then the final list uses Normal Mode items only. For people interested in how these lists were determined, the bottom of this post lists the FAQ and the settings that were used in Rawr 2.3.19. Post in this thread or use a private message for further questions and explanations. [top]Heroic Plate Priority List[top]Heroic All Items Priority List[top]Normal Plate Priority Items ListFor an All Items Normal List, use the Heroic list downgrading to the item level 264 version and 264 Bloodfall. [top]Ruby Sanctum Patch 3.3.5 Plate Priority BiSNeck: [Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard] =>[Penumbra Pendant] Boots: [Blood-Soaked Saronite Stompers] => [Apocalypse's Advance] Wrist (Alliance): [Taiga Bindings] => [Bracers of the Heir] Trinket: [Death's Choice]=> [Sharpened Twilight Scale] [top]Ruby Sanctum Patch 3.3.5 All Item BiSWrist: [Polar Bear Claw Bracers] => [Umbrage Armbands] Ring: [Band of the Bone Colossus] => [Signet of Twilight] Trinket: [Death's Choice]=> [Sharpened Twilight Scale] Boots: [Frostbitten Fur Boots] => [Apocalypse's Advance] Neck: [Sindragosa's Cruel Claw] => [Penumbra Pendant] [top]Ruby Sanctum Patch 3.3.5 Normal Mode Plate Priority BiSNeck: [Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard] =>[Penumbra Pendant] Boots: [Blood-Soaked Saronite Stompers] => [Apocalypse's Advance] [top]Frequently Asked QuestionsWhen I load your Rawr file, I get a different result. Why is that happening? Check all settings to ensure they match the ones listed here such as the delay/wait setting are set to 0.2 seconds. It may also help to download the particular list's zip file so you get the exact gems/enchants I used. Rawr's modeling of TAJ and Shadowmourne do not need to be tweaked. If you have Shadowmourne, use this mod Attachment 8635 for more dps. What is the general trinket ranking? Tiny Abomination in a Jar(Heroic)>Tiny Abomination in a Jar>Sharpened Twilight Scale (heroic)>Death's Choice (heroic)>Whispering Fanged Skull (heroic)>Death's Choice>Sharpened Twilight Scale>Whispering Fanged Skull>Herkuml War Token>Deathbringer's Will(heroic)>Deathbringer's Will>DMC:Greatness (Strength)>Needle-Encrusted Scorpion>Banner of Victory What is the general weapon ranking? This compares all weapons and uses the lists above (so hit/expertise is wasted) Shadowmourne - > Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General - > Glorenzelg, High-Blade of the Silver Hand - > Bloodfall - > Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter - > Warmace of Menethil - > Cryptmaker - > Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General - > Glorenzelg, High-Blade of the Silver Hand - > Shadow's Edge - > Wrathful Gladiator's Claymore - > Oxheart - > Ramaladni's Blade of Culling - > Bloodfall - > Hersir's Greatspear - > Bryntroll, the Bone Arbitert When do I swap from 2T9 to 4T10? Using the BiS list with two 258 pieces of T9 (Helm and Gloves), generally it is a dps gain to swap to using the four piece with at one 264 T10 (with the other three 251) in those slots. Using two 245 T9 (Helm and Gloves), it is a dps gain to swap to T10 using four 251 pieces. How does the ICC raid damage buff affect paladin damage (referred to as Strength of Wrynn for the Alliance and Hellscream’s Warsong for the Horde)? If affects all damage you deal by 5% to 30% depending on the current buff in ICC (25% in July). It works just like Sanctified Retribution. Rawr has an option to add the various levels of this buff. What is the best libram? Libram of the Three Truths is better than Libram of Valiance on a single target if attacking more than 45 seconds and Three Truths is always better for AoE. However due to badge costs combined with a small upgrade, you should not pick it up until you have your 4 piece Tier set first. Where are the Alliance Lists utilizing the 1% Hit Aura? If you normally have Heroic Presence, swap out Polar Bear Claw Bracers for [Taiga Bindings] or another bracer without hit rating. Alternatively, you could swap out the neck slot to one without hit rating (such as [Collar of Haughty Disdain]). Note that you may not see any dps increase swapping out your hit items even past the cap (if you do not have a similar item level replacement). Should I use leather gear since in 4.0 it will be weaker than plate gear? If you are able to get the good leather, I would go ahead and use it. It is a good idea to pickup strength-based items to help your leveling slightly. What is happening to ArP in 4.0? Armor Penetration is changing to Haste or Crit, depending if the item had Crit, then it gets Haste, otherwise you get Crit. Will I be able to keep my ICC items at level 85? As you are leveling in Cataclysm you likely will want some of the new Mastery items. It may be the most powerful stat (until a certain point) in 4.0. Other than the Mastery items, your gear with enchants and gems likely means you should keep it until level 83-84. [top]Assumptions used in RawrProfessions: Blacksmith/Jewelcrafting (Engineering is slightly higher dps than either of these most of the time, but Rawr does not model it correctly resulting in lower dps in Rawr so it is ignored). Glyphs: Judgement, Seal of Vengeance, and Consecration Enchants Head: [Arcanum of Torment] Shoulders: [Greater Inscription of the Axe] Chest: +10 stats Back: +22 Agility Wrist: +50 AP Gloves: +44 AP Legs: [Icescale Leg Armor] Boots: Icewalker or Greater Assault depending on the hit rating of the set. Weapon Enchant: [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Berserking] Gems Normally use [Bold Cardinal Ruby], one [Nightmare Tear], and [Inscribed Ametrine] in yellow sockets that activate a 4 strength bonus (check Rawr for other bonuses to see if it is worth it). Buffs These lists use all buffs except for Focus Magic and Heroic Presence; for consumables use Flask of Endless Rage and +40 Strength Food. Options used: Fight Length - 60 minutes Mob Type - Undead Seal: Vengeance Target Level: 83 Below 20% time - 18% Stacked Trinket Reset: 1 Target: 1 Time in front of the mob: 0 Consecrate Effectiveness: 100% Bloodlust is checked Target Switches/HoR effectiveness: 0 Priority List: Use the FCFS priority of Judgement>Crusader Strike>Divine Storm>Hammer of Wrath>Consecration>Exorcism>Holy Wrath (if a valid target). Use the mod clcret to help you follow this priority. Addressing server/human lag: Delay and Wait are set to 0.2 seconds to simulate in-game lag and keypress lag (SnowfallKeyPress and G15/Autohotkey will help with these delays). |
Thanks for starting the thread. My list so far is fairly similar.
I've bolded the differences: Wrist: Toskk's Maximized Wristguards (Heroic) Waist: Astryllian's Sutured Cinch (Heroic) Trinket2: Whispering Fanged Skull (Heroic) Trinket1: Death's Choice (Heroic) Shoulders: Cultist's Bloodsoaked Spaulders (Heroic) Ranged: Libram of Valiance Neck: Ahn'kahar Onyx Neckguard (Heroic) Main Hand: Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter (Heroic) or Shadowmourne Legs: Sanctified Lightsworn Legplates (Heroic) Head: Sanctified Lightsworn Helmet (Heroic) Hands: Sanctified Lightsworn Gauntlets (Heroic) Finger2: Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance Finger1: Band of the Bone Colossus (Heroic) Feet: Frostbitten Fur Boots (Heroic) Chest: Sanctified Lightsworn Battleplate (Heroic) Back: Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak (Heroic) Gemming/enchanting caveats: 10 STR/10 Crit in yellow sockets only in +4 str socket bonuses One +20 expertise red gem, the rest are +20 STR Greater Assault to boots, 23 haste to back, all other enchants are standard DPS: 11698 (Bryntroll) Highest DPS Rotation: DS>J>CS>HoW>Conc>Exo For the Whispering Fanged Skull (heroic) model: AP: 1250 15 second duration 35% on melee hit 45 second ICD For reference I got 11674 using your BiS list and the described settings. I know until we all have the same frame of reference w/ respect to weird things like procs, it'll be hard to get something definitive. |
I would like like to mention that with the stat changes coming for cataclysm (such as removing ap from AGI-based items) it would probably be in your best long-term interest to avoid AGI items wherever possible. While for progression they may be nice, setting up a BIS set using AGI will mean you get very little effective time out of it, since precedence shows that the major expansion mechanics are implemented a few weeks before cataclysm goes live.
Just something to keep in mind. That being said, excellent work so far. I'm happy to see 5pc T10 up there, it's a very well itemized set and that's what I was expecting to see. |
Quote:
Whispering Fanged Skull I didn't know how to model the attack power proc (what % chance is it)? Assuming it was 35% chance to proc with 45s ICD, it would be slightly better than Death's Choice (245). I will change that item. Also the new FCFS rotation in Rawr 2.3.2 was acting strangely, I am not sure which rotation it is using (I added a few rotations there and it didn't change the dps). Quote:
|
The other somewhat interesting finding is that 2P 258 T9 / 2P 277 T10 is only barely below full 4P 277 BiS by ~100 DPS. Something to keep in mind as you start upgrading and shifting set bonuses.
|
Is the reason the T9 libram is showing to be higher due to the "hidden" swing in regards to weapon procs on Byrntroll and Shadowmourne?
|
Quote:
The T10 libram would show up best in Rawr once it is in there. However the T9 libram can be considered superior due to its lack of any ramp up time. Which you choose is largely a matter of choice and specific encounter. |
Quote:
|
I figured as much. And true, it doesn't affect librams - brain fart on my part.
Quote:
|
Is the proc chance known on Tiny Abomination in a Jar? Rawr shows 35% chance proc which if you can use all the hit, makes it almost on par with death's choice i245. If the proc ends up being higher, this will definitely end up being a very interesting and valuable trinket to have.
It seems this trinket would also scale with any gimmick fight where you receive increased damage as well such as twins valks and any ICC fight where you get a damage buff. |
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
As it stands though ilvl 264 Whispering Fanged Skull appears to be superior to ilvl 245 Death's Choice. Quote:
|
frmorrison, a minor mistake for your BiS Heroic.zip, you forgot to put berserking on the weapon.
|
What about Deathbringers will? 600str/1200ap/ or 600haste proc for 30seconds by 90sec internal cooldown? I thought that would be one of the best trinkets
|
I'm not sure of the validity of the effectiveness of the new trinket. Comparing the 264 version with DV 245:
DV 245: Passive 256 AP, w/ 450 Str proc lasting 15 sec. Assuming you proc once per min, you can treat it as 450 str * 1.1 * 1.15 * 2 / 4 = 284.625 passive AP. Adding in the passive 256 and you get roughly a passive 540 AP. WFS 264: Passive 148 crit w/ 1250 AP lasting 15 sec. Can treat it the same as above: 1250 AP / 4 = 312.5 passive AP. The difference here is 227.5 AP vs. 148 crit. Assuming Redcape's stat weights of 114 for crit and 81 for AP, we get an effective stat weight of 227.5 * 81 = 18427.5 for DV and 148 * 117 = 17316 for WFS. The difference here is roughly 6.5% in effective stat weight favoring DV 245. Not sure if my math here is completely right, but it seems to work for me. The main point here is that you are trading 227.5 AP for 148 crit when switching from DV to WFS, which even by eyeballing doesn't seem to be a good trade. |
I'm not quite sure I understand the choice of trinkets. In rawr both Death's Choice still are rated at the top, while you have Whispering Fanged Skull listed.
My question is why is that? Thanks in advance. |
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:33 AM. |
Forum Infrastructure by vBulletin 3.6.12 ©2000-2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.