Holy Paladin Compendium for 3.3 - Page 39

neanor · 03/08/10, 5:07 PM

You can't heal people who are out of LoS of you, so depending on your position behind the tomb, you can't always reach the tanks. I've tested healing someone in LoS of me and the tank and it still doesn't work. You should be setting up some sort of rotation with your other healers on who stays out. Most of the time, it'll probably have to be decided on the fly over vent depending on who has unchained magic and who has more stacks of mystic buffet.

• Mex · 03/08/10, 8:50 PM

Make sure your boss mod has a timer for frost breath, and that you have an accurate way of tracking how many stacks of buffet the current tank has at any given time.

Don't bubble off your first unchained magic, and don't just stop casting completely when you do get it. For the first phase, simply beacon the tank and heal raid members. If you get unchained magic, cast 2-3 times to top off the tank and raid members who are dangerously low, then let the stacks expire. Rinse and repeat. Your tank should be able to survive for 5 seconds without heals from you, provided the other healers are keeping an eye on him. If he does drop low, you're only at 2-3 stacks, so you can still safely top him up and take yourself to 4-5. You don't want to go much higher than 6-7 though, so if your tank is still getting pounded, call for another healer to take over and let your stacks reset.

Phase 3 is essentially the same, except you have to pay close attention to the breath timer. Appropriately geared tanks performing a proper swap'n'reset rotation will have no trouble surviving breaths without cooldowns on normal mode. However, this is only the case if they're topped off. Keep that as your #1 priority in that phase -- watching the timer, and making sure tanks are not only topped off before the breath, but that you have a heal already casting, timed to land just after it. After the breath lands, top the tank up again, and let any stacks reset. They should still be able to survive 5 seconds without a heal from you (your other healer/s will ideally be throwing HoTs / PoMs / shields). Treat P3 like a prolonged endurance phase, not a DPS burn. Get used to your rhythm of topping up, then letting stacks fall off, and paying very close attention to the breath timer. Any time that you don't have unchained magic, you should be spamming hard to cover the raid healing for your other healers, who presumably will have it when you don't.

At that point, there are only two things which can throw you off -- a bad avoidance streak / high buffets on your tank, causing them to get pounded, or you getting iceblocked. In both cases, your first step should be to call for help from other healers, especially if they have cooldowns (guardian spirit, nature's swiftness, etc). In the case of the tank getting pounded in conjunction with you having unchained magic, well that's why you didn't bubble off the first debuff. Save bubble for an emergency in P3 when you have high stacks, and your tank needs immediate heals. If you're iceblocked, all you can do is hope that the tank has cooldowns up, and the other healers can cover for you until you get out. If a breath is imminent and your tank's still low, you still (hopefully) have LoH available.

In my experience tanking Sindragosa, the vast majority of my deaths have simply been cases of not being topped up going into a breath. As long as you're watching the breath timer and communicating, you should be fine.

Nara · 03/09/10, 5:10 AM

Strength of Wrynn and Hellscream's Warsong now also boost the effect of damage absorption spells.

Val'anyr double-dipping? As if it wasn't good enough already, clockin' in at >20% of my efficient healing on LK25 =)

DiamondTear · 03/09/10, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nara

Val'anyr double-dipping? As if it wasn't good enough already, clockin' in at >20% of my efficient healing on LK25 =)

I don't know what you are using to track that, but I wouldn't trust it blindly.

The significance on the change is that it will makes LK 25H a cakewalk.

• frmorrison · 03/09/10, 9:20 PM

Originally Posted by Nara

Strength of Wrynn and Hellscream's Warsong now also boost the effect of damage absorption spells.

Val'anyr double-dipping? As if it wasn't good enough already, clockin' in at >20% of my efficient healing on LK25 =)

I fairly certain that the boost to Absorption spells is only in the patch files, not live. That will be interesting buff to Val'anyr Paladins whenever it happens, since the shields should double dip with the +healing auras.

D: I don't know when are the best times to use AM on LK, so if anyone could add that would help.

watashihammet · 03/11/10, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

D: I don't know when are the best times to use AM on LK, so if anyone could add that would help.

I usually pop it upon entering the transition phases, with frost resistance aura on ofc. If I'm not mistaken the spirits exploding in phase 3 deal shadow damage, so you could pop it if you see some spirits incoming.

Fivedkpminus · 03/12/10, 11:52 AM

Yep, i always AM when there is a frost sphere frostbolting the group and p2-3 transition as people take a few ticks of remorseless winter.

To the person who has issues healing tanks behind ice blocks, if you're in luck and you can heal the tank but not be in line of sight of Sindragosa from the iceblock. You can use it to heal the tank

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Nara · 03/12/10, 8:35 PM

We usually raid with 3x Holydins, we have Frost AM for both transitions to ease the raid dmg while healers are moving, additionally we have a DS/Shadow AM rotation for Vile Spirits landing. Works like a charm, for us.

Originally Posted by DiamondTear

I don't know what you are using to track that, but I wouldn't trust it blindly.

Lich King 25N Val'Anyr 21.4%
Lich King 25N Val'Anyr 23.7%
Few attempts on Deathwhisper 25HC Val'Anyr 23.1%

Similar results go for most bosses where there's two targets on whom I can build shields that will be fully absorbed.
I do realise that this doesn't translate to actual efficiency, a lot of the absorbed amount would've been a non-issue to heal and will most likely just cause more overhealing on the target; but it does show the effectiveness of the mace to some degree.

Spey · 03/13/10, 12:29 PM

I followed the recommended strategy for Valrithria for our 10 man attempts. Beacon her and heal myself. At the end of the first encounter I had 28 stacks. Unfortunately, for some reason the only real healing she got from me was the splash from Holy Lights which was pretty dismal. The raid leader quickly referenced some other forum which said to bacon a tank. I started off that way, but then switched to myself which worked just fine, but obviously my performance was not what it could have been on either!

Before our 25 man attempts this Sunday, I would like to know why Bacon failed. I had a macro to target her and cast it, and I saw it on her. I was standing in her hit box (which is easily proven since she did get the HL splash).

Here is the combat log of the fight. I must admit I am not very adept at reading too much into the logs, and am hoping someone can look at it and determine out what went wrong. Otherwise I am going to be forced into the lamo method 2 used above.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Gormal · 03/13/10, 12:36 PM

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

You put beacon on yourself, not her.

Spey · 03/13/10, 1:33 PM

Thank you very much for the links which will help me dig deeper in the future. That would explain the result, but it is none the less extremely odd, since I was using a macro targeting her and did not have a macro to target myself with beacon until the second try.

This has forced me to reconsider. I suddenly remembered that I had added several actions to the macro for her and I wanted to be sure they worked. So yes, I changed the target to myself and forgot to change it back!

Many thanks!

Reii · 03/14/10, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by Spey

I followed the recommended strategy for Valrithria for our 10 man attempts. Beacon her and heal myself. At the end of the first encounter I had 28 stacks. Unfortunately, for some reason the only real healing she got from me was the splash from Holy Lights which was pretty dismal. The raid leader quickly referenced some other forum which said to bacon a tank. I started off that way, but then switched to myself which worked just fine, but obviously my performance was not what it could have been on either!

Before our 25 man attempts this Sunday, I would like to know why Bacon failed. I had a macro to target her and cast it, and I saw it on her. I was standing in her hit box (which is easily proven since she did get the HL splash).

Here is the combat log of the fight. I must admit I am not very adept at reading too much into the logs, and am hoping someone can look at it and determine out what went wrong. Otherwise I am going to be forced into the lamo method 2 used above.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Best way I find to heal this encounter is to put beacon on Valithria ( it works maybe it dropped of for you ) which gives u most freedom, and ask for hunter/warlock ( since they don't do much in this fight and it's obviously heal them then u go to range for glyph since like this u have more time to position for portals, maximize healing time and no, % increased healing from pet doesn't work ) put pet next to her and most of the time heal pets, when needed switch to tanks/raid. Also note if u didn't notice that all portals in 10 man spawn at her head so note that when u optimizing time for healing.

D: I don't know when are the best times to use AM on LK, so if anyone could add that would help.

You can't for 100% sure when is best time to use AM on LK, it's very situational. U could use it before second transition phase if you want to migitate damage ( on first u don't take damage since platform is there ). What i prefer though is to save it for bad situations on "normal phases" :
1. If discipline priest is picked by valkyrs, before infest ( especially if u are trying 10 man hard mode, because of tight enrage timer u probably going with 2 healers )
2. Inside frostmourne room when bomb hits if someone failing ( note that in hard mode whole raid gets harvest soul )
3. Or outside if some spirit is about to hit, first ones prehaps, after that tank is free so he can taunt them so it's np

Does anyone have an effective way to heal Sindragosa 10 Hardmode as a Pally? My 10 group has been wiping on this for quite some times now, and most of the wipes were due to lack of heals. I tried beaconing the active tank and raid heal when people are in los of the tank. I also tried beaconing myself and healing active tank so I can stay out longer to eat extra Mystic Buffets. When I get unchained Magic i bubble the first one off, if I happen to get it again i just stop healing. Am i doing something wrong or is there a more effective way to heal this then what I tried?

What I find best way to do this is to arrange healers when they reset stacks. I presume u are going with 3 healers so u dedicate 2 healers to tank and 1 to raid. On 1st tomb in phase 3 1st tank healer reset stacks while 2nd heals active tank. While u reset stacks u can heal raid so u help raid healer. On 2nd tomb in p3 2nd tank healer reset stacks and 1st tank healer heals active tank and 2nd tank healer help on raid while he is behind ice tomb. This is in general for all classes not just paladins. It's the safest way, u always have one healer on tank, no empty time. Ofc if some rng happens ( healer that is supposed to heal gets unchained magic or marked for tomb ) u communicate and adapt, and as paladin u can bubble.

Fivedkpminus · 03/14/10, 3:19 AM

Reii, try to use less abbreviations, Sometimes you get into trouble with it.
Moderators love to pick up on any mistake

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Thorzor · 03/14/10, 8:22 AM

Great guide, has definitely helped me smooth out the rough edges in my build/strat. One question, does [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] share a ICD with [Tears of the Vanquished]?

gcbirzan · 03/14/10, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Thorzor

does [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] share a ICD with [Tears of the Vanquished]?

No. The ICD for the meta gem is 15 seconds with a 5% chance, the trinket has a 45s ICD with a 25% chance to proc.