Cataclysm Holy Priest Compendium - Page 6

wwraver · 12/20/10, 3:09 AM

Hmm, are the math for renew ticks/haste a bit off, or am I missing something?

I'm at 9.20% haste through gear (1178 haste rating) with 3/3 Darkness. This makes it 12.20%, no?

I have five ticks on Renew with this haste, and if I didn't miscalculate anything, I'm 0.30% below the breakpoint.

[EDIT]: Ok, looks like I was closer to the haste cap than I thought. Supposedly it's 1181 with 3/3 Darkness. Still though, I'm 3 rating below and I still got the ticks ;P Margin of error?

Elimbras · 12/20/10, 5:43 AM

You may want to add Herbalism and the new "On demand haste" to the professions section.

JosiahDMF · 12/20/10, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sokaris84

Something doesn't seem right in the values that JosiahDMF has come up with for the two weapon enchants. I came up with very differing amounts of regen, anyone else? I'll do the numbers again later when I'm not so tired..

Edit: Can anyone actually confirm for me whether or not Power Torrent increases your max mana for it's duration or not? A lot of conflicting information out there

Remember that the values will change not only with the amount of spirit and int you have but also the ratio of each you have.

The best I can tell is it does indeed increase your mana. I think that's why it's advised to use your Shadowfeind with it. The only thing that changes is the procs. Would like to see some data on that. I only have heartsong atm, will post our first kill in Blackwing Descent figures.

Mistylee · 12/20/10, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by wwraver

Hmm, are the math for renew ticks/haste a bit off, or am I missing something?

I'm at 9.20% haste through gear (1178 haste rating) with 3/3 Darkness. This makes it 12.20%, no?

I have five ticks on Renew with this haste, and if I didn't miscalculate anything, I'm 0.30% below the breakpoint.

[EDIT]: Ok, looks like I was closer to the haste cap than I thought. Supposedly it's 1181 with 3/3 Darkness. Still though, I'm 3 rating below and I still got the ticks ;P Margin of error?

You're not counting the tick from divine touch right?

wwraver · 12/20/10, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mistylee

You're not counting the tick from divine touch right?

No, that's excluded.
This is with 1178 haste rating and no other buffs to haste than 3/3 Darkness.

[EDIT]: Oh, I think it may have something to do with the Goblin racial called Time is Money. It says it increases casting and attack speed by 1%. Doh.

Kilborne · 12/20/10, 7:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinndir

For me, surge of light isn't about the free flash heal. I have surge of light soley for the free serendipity stack. I find myself using binding heal as much as I can and any excess SoL procs just go to increasing the throughput of my GHs and PoHs.

Instant cast Holy Word serenity followed by a 1 or 2 stacked serendipity GH can pump out some excellent HPS with great efficiency.

I can see serendipity being a useful talent, and indeed I LOVE the HW:serenity + hasted GH combo, very nice. However, I don't see how casting a lot of binding heals has anything to do with the surge of light talent. Did I miss a change? I thought SoL only proc'ed off of heal or smite. If there has been change, please let me know, and I apologize.
During high damage phases, the only heal I will normally cast is the one to proc the heal chakra state, if that is the state I want to be in. And once we really have the encounters down, you will be in the appropriate chakra BEFORE the damage occurs. After that it is all HW:serenity, GH, flash, binding, ProM, etc. So how many SoL procs am I going to get out of a 6% chance with one cast every thirty seconds? Basically none.
My log will look different, and show a significantly higher usage of heal than that, but that is because heal is my 'lull phase' go to spell. During high damage phases, or when someone fails a mechanic, it is basically off my radar screen.
I'm unconvinced that trying to maintain a serendipity stack during a lull phase is necessary or efficient.

Kilborne · 12/20/10, 7:58 PM

Double post, sorry lagging internet at work.

Sinndir · 12/20/10, 8:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kilborne

I can see serendipity being a useful talent, and indeed I LOVE the HW:serenity + hasted GH combo, very nice. However, I don't see how casting binding heals has anything to do with the surge of light talent. Did I miss a change? I thought SoL only proc'ed off of heal or smite. If there has been change, please let me know, and I apologize.

Binding Heal procs serendipity, that combined with SoL procs is great for efficiency on GH and PoH.

What I meant was, if I need to heal myself I try to always use binding heal when I can for serendipity stacks. I spec into SoL so that I have more chances to get serendipity stacks (heal -> SoL proc -> FH -> serendipity stack).

Kilborne · 12/21/10, 1:08 AM

I can see that, and getting two GH's off during the +crit buff of HW:serenity is very good HPS. Makes me feel like holy can actually be a half decent tank healer when needed.

I have been steering away from binding heal and just standing within lightwell distance for self healing. Is this blasphemy or an accepted strat? I like that I don't have to waste a global to heal myself, and I save a little mana using a flash on someone else vs binding healing us both.

Elerion · 12/21/10, 2:42 AM

That is blasphemy. Binding Heal is a tremendously efficient heal and should be used whenever possible. Teach your DPS to use those Lightwell charges instead.

Vokodlok · 12/21/10, 9:36 AM

Has anyone checked if Blessed Resilience is worth using in Pve environment ? There are plenty of raid aoes that takes more then 10% of your HP ( ~ 12k Hp) and I suppose it will proc alot.
I am thinking of droping SoL for the moment, cause i can't find much time spamming Heal in raids at this point. Last night on three bosses we killed, I got 2 SoR procs out of ~ 60 Heal spells casted (cumulated in all three fights)... and both were in moments when no one in the raid required that FH , so i had to use them as overhealing to get the serenpidity stack :/.

Feralminded · 12/21/10, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Vokodlok

Has anyone checked if Blessed Resilience is worth using in Pve environment ? There are plenty of raid aoes that takes more then 10% of your HP ( ~ 12k Hp) and I suppose it will proc alot.
I am thinking of droping SoL for the moment, cause i can't find much time spamming Heal in raids at this point. Last night on three bosses we killed, I got 2 SoR procs out of ~ 60 Heal spells casted (cumulated in all three fights)... and both were in moments when no one in the raid required that FH , so i had to use them as overhealing to get the serenpidity stack :/.

SoL is turning out to be useless to me in raids. It's definitely useful in 5 mans and when tank healing, but I am effectively done my heroic grind (my gear is strong enough that I won't miss it anyhow) and Holy is such a strong raid healing spec that I typically find myself doing that anyhow. If you know you're a dedicated tank healer in your raids I'd say you want to keep SoL but otherwise yeah ... blessed resilience IS looking pretty decent. 10% damage happens ALL THE TIME in raids, in fact that's the primary driver (masochism) for mana regen for shadowpriests right now in raids.

Fricassee · 12/21/10, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mazlowe

It seems a wise decision to drop Mental Agility for Twin Disciples in this build.

In a standard rotation we do not have as many instant casts that will benefit from a 10% mana reduction. However, all of our spells will benefit from a 6% increased healing power.

We have plenty of spells that benefit from the mana reduction, just we don't use all of them all the time. What's more, we can only cast instant spells while on the move, and there's a fair bit of movement in Cata.

- For fights where you're tank healing, you should be casting PoM and HW: Serenity on CD, and the occasional renew.
- For fights where you're raid healing, you should be casting PoM on CD with fair usage of Renew and Circle of Healing, with possible holy nova.
- For further utility, you may be casting dispel magic, cure disease, BaS PW:Shield, and Fade.

Spell Base Cost MA Savings
Renew 4323 432
PoM 3706 371
HW:Serenity 1647 165
Circle of Healing 4323 432
Holy Nova 3088 309
Dispel Magic 3294 329
Cure Disease 3294 329
PW:Shield 3912 391
Fade 3088 309
LoF 2676 268

Edit: These are live values with no talents spent. Sinndir also noted that MA and IW are additive, so there's no reduction in the value of MA when using IW.

Sinndir · 12/21/10, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fricassee

These numbers are calculated off of base mana of 20585. I will get actual numbers when I get home from work. Also, I'm assuming an additive interaction between MA and Inner Will. If the interaction is actually multiplicative, it would reduce the savings while using Inner Will.

The interaction is definitely additive. Inner Will plus Mental Agility give instant cast spells a 25% reduction.

Carnathagia · 12/21/10, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by wwraver

I'm at 9.20% haste through gear (1178 haste rating) with 3/3 Darkness. This makes it 12.20%, no?

I have five ticks on Renew with this haste, and if I didn't miscalculate anything, I'm 0.30% below the breakpoint.
?

Additional Haste percentage increases are multiplicative with your Haste from Haste Rating. That means you don't have 9.2% + 3% = 12.2%, what you do have is 1.092 * 1.03 = 1.12476 or 12.476% Haste.