Priest Simple Questions/Simple Answers: Cataclysm - Page 7

tedv · 01/19/11, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Kashir

That's not really a fair comparison. Int provides a lot more than the raw spellpower from IF. If I had to put a (very) rough value on it, I'd say about half the value of Int is the SP.

Simulators are putting 1 spell power at .78 int. Inner Fire provides 531 spell power at level 85, I believe. That works out to around 418 int, or 10.35 red sockets.

pdpeleven · 01/20/11, 12:12 AM

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Hoban · 01/20/11, 1:48 AM

I've been using inner will for the speed boost, but I also have the earthen vitality boot enchant (and had tuskarr's back in WOTLK). Do they stack or not? Since I typically change in the thick of it, its hard to tell.

Thanks much for any insight.

There is a script you can run that gives you the targets movement speed (100 being 100% aka normal). I have tested this myself with boot enchants (7% speed buff) and Inner Will (10%). I can confirm that they do not stack.

If you are curious here is the script (it gives current speed so make sure you have autorun on)

/script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(string.format("Player speed: %d%%", (GetUnitSpeed("Player") / 7) * 100))

The Pwii · 01/20/11, 8:15 PM

Having survived our first week of raiding, I am wondering what is considered a more practical priest spec for healing 10 mans, especially as the guild is first progressing? I've become adept at Holy, and played Disc through Wrath. I understand bubblespam is over, but PW:Barrier is a potent survivability tool.

Our other healers are a paladin and shaman, for reference.

Elerion · 01/21/11, 9:28 AM

Holy is slightly stronger numerically, but Barrier is an amazing tool for certain fight mechanics (Chimaeron, Nefarian, Council).

I don't think it matters much. Judging by PTR data, Disc will be the right choice for the first priest in 10-man following the patch, so you might position yourself as Disc in preparation for that.

toawbox · 01/21/11, 3:51 PM

Pwii I've been trying to find an answer to that question for a while. I think what it comes down to is how comfortable you are playing the specs, and who the other healers in your raid are. For example, I run 10 mans and I heal with two holy paladins. Despite cata changes, they're still not great for topping up raid damage on many targets at once. Holy priests excel in that role. What differentiates Disc from Holy is that Disc is better at creating a barrier on top of someone's health pool, while other healers fill up that pool from the bottom. I think disc probably works very well in concert with druid or shaman healers, but with two pallies, I need as much power to perform that role of bottom-up healing as I can find.

I'm curious to see how disc performs after the patch, but I suspect holy will still work better in my raid setup.

Anthropology · 01/23/11, 3:48 PM

I have a question about the glyph of Prayer of Healing.

Does the HoT increase if another PoH is cast while it is increase, similar to the mastery HoT? Or does it overwrite the old HoT?

Sui-san · 01/23/11, 4:01 PM

A question about Inner Will for Shadow Priests.

(Note: this is for purposes of things like dalies and farming, not raiding.)

Does Inner Will's 10% mana decrease effect also work on Mind Sear/Flay? Given that it's a channeled spell, I'm not sure if it still counts as an "instant cast" because it can be argued that in some form of the phrase, it is.

Alternitavely: does IW work on Penance and Divine Hymn by the same merit?

Amoenitas · 01/23/11, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anthropology

I have a question about the glyph of Prayer of Healing.

Does the HoT increase if another PoH is cast while it is increase, similar to the mastery HoT? Or does it overwrite the old HoT?

The HoT from the glyph of Prayer of Healing does not stack. It simply overwrites the old one.

Sinndir · 01/23/11, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sui-san

A question about Inner Will for Shadow Priests.

(Note: this is for purposes of things like dalies and farming, not raiding.)

Does Inner Will's 10% mana decrease effect also work on Mind Sear/Flay? Given that it's a channeled spell, I'm not sure if it still counts as an "instant cast" because it can be argued that in some form of the phrase, it is.

Alternitavely: does IW work on Penance and Divine Hymn by the same merit?

I can confirm it does not decrease the spell cost for Divine Hymn or for Mind Sear so I would imagine those other channeled spells are in the same boat.

Healixor · 01/24/11, 8:08 AM

How situational is Archangel (+15% healing) for holy? You see the spec in some HC fights these days, mainly where there's a burst of AOE damage.

With 4.0.6 on the horizon, we're get to free some points in our holy tree. And Archangel is one of our options that we can reach easier.

In which fights do you use this niche spec? (And do you only use it for 25 man, or for 10 man aswell?)

Elerion · 01/24/11, 9:19 AM

There's some discussion about that in the last two pages of the Holy thread. In a nut shell, the argument goes:
- The talents you give up to take AA aren't very important
- Smiting to a 5 stack of Evangelism and then popping AA is a minor net mana loss and a minor HPS loss over time, but:
-- it allows you to give up healing time in low damage phases to have 15% increased HPS in high damage phases
-- it adds a tiny bit of dps

Then you weigh the importance of that flexibility against what you lose by speccing it. It's a personal preference thing, since the value of flexibility can't be accurately measured.

Jonny_Monroe · 01/26/11, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by Amoenitas

The HoT from the glyph of Prayer of Healing does not stack. It simply overwrites the old one.

It should be worth noting that the tick duration is maintained when the HoT is re-applied, so chain-casting PoH will result in 1 tick every 3 seconds (I will test later if haste effects the tick duration). A weaker PoH HoT can over-write a stronger one, although there seems to be some fudge going on when the heal lands at the same time as a tick.

On a separate note, to clarify this I did some testing and it would appear that Glyph of PoH benefits separately from Twin Disciplines, resulting in a double benefit of the effect (first on the PoH, then again on the glyph).

My PoH healed for 7017 after TD, and the HoT healed for 743/744
7017/10*1.06=743.8

So with TD glyph of PoH is actually giving 10.6% additional PoH healing per tick.

I tested Grace for this effect too but it seems only TD gives it.

DSmith13 · 01/27/11, 12:38 PM

I looked around but couldn't find an answer to this. Under the holy priest compendium, for reforging it says:

"Holy may choose mastery or haste, Disc may want extra mastery (depending how close
to the soft cap you are)."

My question is - what is the soft cap (I presume it's referring to a haste cap not a mastery cap right)?

Venelar · 01/27/11, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by DSmith13

I looked around but couldn't find an answer to this. Under the holy priest compendium, for reforging it says:

"Holy may choose mastery or haste, Disc may want extra mastery (depending how close
to the soft cap you are)."

My question is - what is the soft cap (I presume it's referring to a haste cap not a mastery cap right)?

More than likely the haste softcap for the extra tick of renew