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12/14/11, 10:14 AM
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#211
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Soda Popinski
Tauren Druid
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by UnholY_Prince
Regarding Ultraxion's Green buff, has it been confirmed that it'll only duplicate and divide one tick of PoH? Aka if PoH hits every for 10k, it duplicates 10k once and divides it amongst all raid targets?
Blue is amazing for PoH spamming Priests, but seems better for Holy Paladins due to Radiance. Of the remaining options Red seems better for Priests if the above information about Green is true. Double healing on PoH doubles Divine Aegis absorption, and Holy gets a nice benefit to Sanctuary.
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Holy Priests maintain a 50%~ healing contribution from Essence of Dreams once the buff has become active. This means if your PoH heals 5 people for 10k then it will add 50k of healing into the 'pot' of healing for that second, which will then be spread over the raid once that second has ended. Holy Priests and Resto Shamans are the only specs which get their full toolkit replicated by Essence of Dreams (where EoD amounts to a 50% contribution, while the other 3 healers get around 40-45% due to mechanic exclusions such as shields).
I do not mean to imply that those 2 specs must always get the green buff as obviously it depends on your healing setup - only that those 2 get the highest gain from it. The best advice is to look at parses for when all 3 buffs are active (generally the 4-6 min mark) and compare the output of the respective specs/buffs used and see what provides the highest output for each person in that period.
Last edited by Playered : 12/14/11 at 10:28 AM.
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Originally Posted by Vontre
I don't know anything
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12/15/11, 5:59 PM
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#212
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Don Flamenco
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Out of curiosity, does anyone run holy on Spine? Disc seems significantly better in the abstract to me so I've not tried it as holy.
Last edited by Jessamy : 01/17/12 at 6:08 PM.
Reason: Removed a paragraph replying to a post I moved to the trash heap.
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12/15/11, 6:45 PM
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#213
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King Hippo
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Holy is better on Spine. If you compare straight Gheal spam on different targets, Disc only surpasses Holy's Gheal numbers with 3 stacks of Grace. On constant switching of targets to single target heal, Holy in Serenity provides stronger single target throughput, especially considering the reduced time on Serenity's cooldown now.
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12/16/11, 2:57 AM
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#214
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Von Kaiser
Dwarf Priest
Азурегос (EU)
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Originally Posted by Zaq
Out of curiosity, does anyone run holy on Spine? Disc seems significantly better in the abstract to me so I've not tried it as holy.
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I do. But I'm amongst the others on the task of outhealing the debuff. So I run in Chakra:Serenity and heal, heal, heal. As an additional bonus, I can cast 2 heavy divine hymns during the fight which also helps.
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12/17/11, 10:56 AM
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#215
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Von Kaiser
Goblin Shaman
Gul'dan (EU)
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Originally Posted by UnholY_Prince
Holy is better on Spine. If you compare straight Gheal spam on different targets, Disc only surpasses Holy's Gheal numbers with 3 stacks of Grace. On constant switching of targets to single target heal, Holy in Serenity provides stronger single target throughput, especially considering the reduced time on Serenity's cooldown now.
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No it's not. since you have Penance ready for every targetswitch you instantly have 3xgrace on your current target and get full benefit for every GH (and additionally shield the target from incoming dmg while he cannot be healed due to the healabsorb shield being active). SO I think Disc is stronger on spine (at least in 10m).
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12/17/11, 12:48 PM
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#216
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King Hippo
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Penance cooldown isn't quick enough to keep up with every Searing Plasma application. You'll have a slow ramp up on half the targets you're trying to get the debuff off of. Better off just going with the single target healing spec with no ramp up. Divine Aegis also is completely useless on most of Spine, further weakening Disc on the fight.
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12/17/11, 7:20 PM
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#217
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Von Kaiser
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Running a Disc+Holy priest on Spine seems to be proving very worthwhile in regards to 25 man. Disc priests are the only ones who will prevent a death, or essentially "heal" the person who's starting to get too low from damage with Searing Plasma ticking away on them. IIRC the only other healer capable of healing said players is the resto shamans totem.
Being able to utilize the holy priests shorter hymn during aoe damage phases helps my raid stabilize. Realistically neither of the two specs can be under utilized in this fight, unless you're running with all holy pallys.
With regards to heroic mode, the synergy here will only prove to be even more worthwhile.
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12/17/11, 7:21 PM
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#218
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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On 10m Spine I played disc on week 1, and holy on week 2, and to our healer setup (paladin, druid, priest) holy seemed better in terms of how fast the three of us could get rid of the debuff and divine hymn was a decent substitute for barrier when we were doing a barrel roll. Though now that I think of it we did go with 3 healers since none had a dps OS and we didn't want to waste time on hearthing, respeccing and summoning back since it was late Tuesday night. :P So this might not be the best example.
I normally always play disc where possible, my whole gear is tended towards disc (less spirit etc) however in DS I've found myself playing holy on heroic Hagara (divine hymns for lightning phase, guardian spirit+lifegrip for focused assaults, PoH/CoH that heal people in ice tombs, body and soul for speedbubbles), and normal Blackhorn, Spine and Madness and found it viable.
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12/18/11, 11:41 AM
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#219
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Miarose
Disc priests are the only ones who will prevent a death, or essentially "heal" the person who's starting to get too low from damage with Searing Plasma ticking away on them.
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That was basically the entirety of my thinking when I thought about it, and when I posed the question. There's no doubt that holy's raw output is going to be preferable for actually removing the debuff because DA doesn't help there. But effectively shielding someone(s) who are debuffed when you expect other damage to go out is irreplaceable. That some people opt for holy first is interesting. I would never run two discs in a 25 there, but it still seems like it brings more potential value to the table initially. Others disagree. Cool.
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"I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions. I'm just, like, inviting you to join me on the bandwagon of my own uncertainty." -Taylor Mali
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12/18/11, 4:15 PM
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#220
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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As I pointed out earlier, Holy Priests can use Power Word: Shield too; however.
Holy has far higher throughput. Guardian Spirit is also a god-sent on the fight, especially Glyphed. And yes, Holy's shields are weaker, but they're still substantial and you can talent for the cooldown reduction so they're spammable. Also, the 4 piece bonus works for Holy as well. I can normally put up a ~22k shield which is around 10k less than Discipline, of course, but it's still a shield.
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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12/22/11, 4:49 PM
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#221
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Glass Joe
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Holy also has Test of Faith (3/3) that it essentially becomes a Grace for those less that 50% health. The added advantage is that this 12% healing bonus is always on the targets with low health, which arguably should be the targets you are healing. There is no need for waiting for Penance CD to switch.
Also it seems as if Divine Hymn is a much stronger CD than Power Word: Barrier.
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01/05/12, 9:00 AM
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#222
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Piston Honda
Goblin Priest
Mannoroth (EU)
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I'd like to know your opinion regarding Maw of the Dragonlord vs Scalpel of Unrelenting Agony.
I was lucky enough to grab the Maw in the first ID and to get the Scalpel on our Yor'sahj Heroic first kill. Since then I've sometimes struggled which one is better on a per boss basis.
I'm raiding 10 man and I'm not sure if the procc from Maw is worth it if only 5 people will be hit by the procc. On some fights (Ultraxion Heroic being the prime example) the Maw does up to 10% of my total healing but on others like Morchok I mostly go with the Scalpel because I value the haste more than the procc on 5 people which may not always be in range for it to even get hit.
Has anyone done some napkin math (or perhaps even a thorough analysis) of how much the procc needs to heal in order to be worth more than the secondary stats provided by the Scalpel? Otherwise I'd be glad to get some opinions on which bosses you (would) use the maw or the scalpel.
Thanks in advance
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01/12/12, 9:26 AM
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#223
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Ясеневый лес (EU)
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Good time of the day. We reached problems on Zonozz 10 HM.
Our setup: DisPriest, Rshammy, Hpally.
Our problem:When we are reaching Black Phase TENTACLE DISCO PARTY after 7 ticks of ball.
Who knows: 5 eyes, 1 big tentacle, 2 small tentacles.
Our camp: 2 melees(myself adk and awarrior) are hitting eyes, discipline priest stands between us. She is unable to heal us. She is using Pain Suppression on war|herself, I'm using AMS, but in the end of the phace someone of us is dying. She is trying to use Binding Heal. However she mentioned that her DCbuild is not absorption-based.
May I ask you to point us on mistakes in setup or provide a build and in-depth strategy for black phace?
Our log: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Our priest: Блумелла @ Ashenvale - Game - World of Warcraft
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01/12/12, 9:41 AM
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Von Kaiser
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Otherwise I'd be glad to get some opinions on which bosses you (would) use the maw or the scalpel.
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There are only 4 encounters that I can think of where the mace would really shine.
Yor'sahj
Ultraxion
Spine
Madness
For Morchok and Zon'ozz you're not typically grouped up with people - or you are, but not enough in a 10m setting to really get the most out of the mace. Most groups are pretty spread out for Hagara, too and the same goes for Blackhorn.
I would suggest using the Scalpel for the remaining four encounters.
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Holy has far higher throughput. Guardian Spirit is also a god-sent on the fight, especially Glyphed.
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Not if you have the healing debuff, it isn't. I remember getting picked up by a tentacle and having the healing debuff on myself. Because I have Glyph of Desperation equipped, I threw GS on myself and watched the debuff eat the whole thing. That was a little heartbreaking.
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01/12/12, 3:33 PM
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#225
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Piston Honda
Troll Priest
Термоштепсель (EU)
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Originally Posted by Minoan
Good time of the day. We reached problems on Zonozz 10 HM.
Our setup: DisPriest, Rshammy, Hpally.
Our problem:When we are reaching Black Phase TENTACLE DISCO PARTY after 7 ticks of ball.
Who knows: 5 eyes, 1 big tentacle, 2 small tentacles.
Our camp: 2 melees(myself adk and awarrior) are hitting eyes, discipline priest stands between us. She is unable to heal us. She is using Pain Suppression on war|herself, I'm using AMS, but in the end of the phace someone of us is dying. She is trying to use Binding Heal. However she mentioned that her DCbuild is not absorption-based.
May I ask you to point us on mistakes in setup or provide a build and in-depth strategy for black phace?
Our log: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Our priest: Блумелла @ Ashenvale - Game - World of Warcraft
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We did it that way:
All go under big tentacle and get aoe heals. Ranged DPSers kill Eyes, Melee dpsers after stable their hp, go and kill eyes too.
I did that encounter as Disc Priest and every time get 1st place on WoL (by now its 4th, but I dont heal it anymore till last year).
I turned on PI and Jaws of Defeated and spam shield on all people while I running to our heal spot before black phase. PoM on cd, Rapture on cd, PoH all other time. We rotated some raid CD every black phase
1) HPal cds (wings+DF+valk), Rsham totem + Shield Spam with PI+JotD
2) Tranq+Dhymn
3) PWB + Shield spam
Thats all I think.
Last edited by Szeretlek : 01/12/12 at 3:38 PM.
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