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fenian1978 · 01/29/11, 11:12 PM

in regards to mind spike, would it be advisable to use it towards the end of a boss fight when its essential to get as much burst damage for the final burn, considering the increased damage from shadow orbs?

Naphomci · 01/31/11, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by fenian1978

in regards to mind spike, would it be advisable to use it towards the end of a boss fight when its essential to get as much burst damage for the final burn, considering the increased damage from shadow orbs?

It would not, at the least in the way you are asking. If you begin spamming MSp with SW

you will not gain any orbs. Mind Blast does more damage in 4.0.6 than MSp, so to even use it on one set of 3 orbs would gain less use.

Liruyn · 01/31/11, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by fenian1978

in regards to mind spike, would it be advisable to use it towards the end of a boss fight when its essential to get as much burst damage for the final burn, considering the increased damage from shadow orbs?

The only time doing something like this would be practical is possibly in a situation like the tentacles in P2 of Cho'gall.

Keep your dots up on Cho'gall and run an assist train while spamming mindspike/mindblast on the tentacles for large frontload. Then after tentacles dead, resume with normal rotation on Cho'gall.

Also, the alternative which a lot of shadow priests do is just VT all the tentacles and keep dots up on Cho'gall and arguably helps your raid more, and increases your dps (undoubtedly) immensely.

LucidityAxel · 01/31/11, 11:51 PM

I think of the Mind Spike rotation as something I can use for any situation where I don't already have DoTs ticking and the target will not live long enough for a fresh set of DoTs to run most of their course. Since it is not usually proper play to let my DoTs drop off the boss, I don't find myself using Mind Spike on a boss mob all that often.

As for VT spam on multiple add rounds at the end of Cho'gall, I just don't see how it is possible given current gear levels and boss tuning; I just don't have enough mana that deep into the fight.

Mearis · 02/01/11, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by LucidityAxel

I think of the Mind Spike rotation as something I can use for any situation where I don't already have DoTs ticking and the target will not live long enough for a fresh set of DoTs to run most of their course. Since it is not usually proper play to let my DoTs drop off the boss, I don't find myself using Mind Spike on a boss mob all that often.

As for VT spam on multiple add rounds at the end of Cho'gall, I just don't see how it is possible given current gear levels and boss tuning; I just don't have enough mana that deep into the fight.

At the end of Cho'Gall, you can spam SW: D giving you practically infinite mana.

arthanos · 02/01/11, 3:22 AM

I don't see this mentioned anywhere, but currently on LIVE, there is a massive bug with channeled spells, at least i confirmed this for priests, mind flay is losing it's last tick VERY frequently.

Tests without a [nochanneling] macro, casting mind flay 5 times, ending up with 13 ticks.
With a [nochanneling] macro, 12 ticks.
Latency seems to have no onfluence whatsoever, my current latency was +/- 30 MS.
This happens VERY frequently due to the last tick of MF being delayed and very often simply not doing any damage whatsoever, this has been tested and confirmed by several other people as well.

The same goes for disc priests with occasionally penance missing it's last tick completely.

Nimiks · 02/01/11, 8:49 AM

That's not really a bug, the last tick happens just before the channeling ends, so if you press MF again too early you will clip the last tick. I always get 3 ticks if I wait for the channel to end before casting MF again, and I don't use a nochanneling macro as it doesn't works anyway.
I guess it's because some kind of server lagg that cause the debuff on your target to be delayed from the channeling, and if you don't wait for the debuff to fade to recast MF even if the channeling is over, it will clip the last tick.
In case where you suffer from pushback I suppose you will always loose the last tick.

realillusion · 02/01/11, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by Nimiks

That's not really a bug. . . don't use a nochanneling macro as it doesn't works anyway.

Sounds like a bug. Things that don't work are bugged, no?

Nimiks · 02/01/11, 7:52 PM

It has more to do with server lagg than with a real bug with the spell in my opinion, but call it as you want.

Althor · 02/01/11, 8:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nimiks

That's not really a bug, the last tick happens just before the channeling ends, so if you press MF again too early you will clip the last tick. I always get 3 ticks if I wait for the channel to end before casting MF again, and I don't use a nochanneling macro as it doesn't works anyway.
I guess it's because some kind of server lagg that cause the debuff on your target to be delayed from the channeling, and if you don't wait for the debuff to fade to recast MF even if the channeling is over, it will clip the last tick.
In case where you suffer from pushback I suppose you will always loose the last tick.

It actually really is a bug. And it doesn't just effect Mind Flay or Penance. It also effects DoTs and even Mind Blast, Mind Spike, IDP and SW: Death.
I reported this bug on the PTR forums a few patches ago however unfortunately it still exists. Link: [BUG] Mind Flay ticks silently fail - Forums - World of Warcraft

As can be seen from the log included of Mind Flay the middle tick's damage just vanished. It still procced Dark Evangelism however it did no damage at all. In my testing I've seen an entire 3 ticks of Mind Flay do no damage at all despite proccing trinkets and buffs.

ildon · 02/01/11, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Althor

It actually really is a bug. And it doesn't just effect Mind Flay or Penance. It also effects DoTs and even Mind Blast, Mind Spike, IDP and SW: Death.
I reported this bug on the PTR forums a few patches ago however unfortunately it still exists. Link: [BUG] Mind Flay ticks silently fail - Forums - World of Warcraft

As can be seen from the log included of Mind Flay the middle tick's damage just vanished. It still procced Dark Evangelism however it did no damage at all. In my testing I've seen an entire 3 ticks of Mind Flay do no damage at all despite proccing trinkets and buffs.

Yes it's a real bug on the PTR, but this discussion was not about the PTR.

Nimiks · 02/02/11, 9:47 AM

He was talking about losing the last tick only, and on live servers, but it's sad they didn't fix the one your talking about..

Xn205 · 02/02/11, 3:44 PM

I too have been noticing this bug on live. Periodically my middle MF tick wont land, and I dont get my stack of DE(at least not according to power auras). However, running MFclip addon, it gives me floating combat text of MF hits, dmg, and crit and periodically it will do a full duration and only have 2 hits despite having no push back. Could this be because they've changed channel mechanics to apply hit ratios to each tick? Or are we just looking at some bug chez blizz?

Nebulla · 02/06/11, 5:55 PM

Just a small question..anyone knows if Shadowy Apparition dmg is show on world of logs? thx

Brekk · 02/06/11, 7:20 PM

I believe it is, but it can't differentiate between multiple SPriest's apparations.