Shadow Priest -- Cataclysm - Page 11

Laur · 02/08/11, 7:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nebulla

Just a small question..anyone knows if Shadowy Apparition dmg is show on world of logs? thx

It is not shown as your damage but 'general' damage. The summon spell for apparations (still) isn't linked to the player and since it can't be done manually they don't show on WoL. edit: i meant you can indeed find the damage done by the apparations just not listed as damage done by the spriest(s)

zaags · 02/08/11, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Laur

It is not shown as your damage but 'general' damage. The summon spell for apparations (still) isn't linked to the player and since it can't be done manually they don't show on WoL.

Shadow Apparitions do show up on worldoflogs.com under the /analyze/damage done/ section.
So you can at least calculate your %dmg done by sShadow Apparitions, given that you are the only shadowpriest in raid.

Raiek · 02/08/11, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Althor

It actually really is a bug. And it doesn't just effect Mind Flay or Penance. It also effects DoTs and even Mind Blast, Mind Spike, IDP and SW: Death.
I reported this bug on the PTR forums a few patches ago however unfortunately it still exists. Link: [BUG] Mind Flay ticks silently fail - Forums - World of Warcraft

As can be seen from the log included of Mind Flay the middle tick's damage just vanished. It still procced Dark Evangelism however it did no damage at all. In my testing I've seen an entire 3 ticks of Mind Flay do no damage at all despite proccing trinkets and buffs.

So now that the patch has dropped, did they go live with this bug still occurring? If so, it seems like it would be a potential huge hit to shadow DPS.

reckonerX · 02/08/11, 5:55 PM

# Shadow Orbs benefit from mastery has been increased by approximately 16%.

Due to the buff to shadow orb mastery, how does this change Mastery Rating's importance relative to other secondary stats?

Also should add (since this is my first time posting on EJ):

With the buff to Mind Sear (+16% damage, able to channel on a friendly target), does this make MS a viable AoE spell for spriests?

Also, would it be possible to get a vague rotation/priority list? I'm doing pretty bad DPS right now as a shadow priest with all 333/346 gear, and even after reading this entire thread, I'm not sure what it is I'm doing wrong. And every shadow priest I meet in-game who is doing better DPS than me gives me completely different answers.

zarqa · 02/08/11, 6:49 PM

ReckonerX,

if you find this thread not helpful, maybe have a look at 'Newnoise's Shadow Priest' guide over at the MMO-Champion Priest forum? I currently think that's the best overall SP guide around for people looking for basic SP tips and not theorycrafting.

Hope it's ok to 'promote' other sites btw.

VeiledHS · 02/08/11, 7:35 PM

Yeah Mind Blast is quite nice.. I've noticed around a 2k increase as well on simple dummy DPS.

As far as Zarqa's post goes, Newnoise is a guildy of mine and an amazing priest. His guide has been extremely helpful to many! He's also a moderator over at • Index page - new site that launched just 2 days ago. It will also be a great resource once it becomes a bit more populated :]

Althor · 02/08/11, 9:09 PM

SimulationCraft is almost ready for an official 4.0.6 release. I have generated some scale factors for the 372 Shadow Priest. Results can be found at:

Simulationcraft Results

switch_foot4 · 02/08/11, 9:09 PM

Does Mandala of Stirring patterns proc off of Vampiric Embrace?

UnholY_Prince · 02/08/11, 10:49 PM

[Heart of Ignacious] seems to no longer stack up on Mind Flay ticks. Now only stacks from DoT Ticks, Mind Blast, and once per Mind Flay.

• Snowy · 02/09/11, 1:49 AM

Originally Posted by Althor

SimulationCraft is almost ready for an official 4.0.6 release. I have generated some scale factors for the 372 Shadow Priest. Results can be found at:

Simulationcraft Results

I updated the OP with those scaling factors.

As for the other questions, we'll get around to a proper cast priority in the upcoming days. I was waiting on the patch, since things were changing anyways. I'll dig a little more into the results.

Praesul · 02/09/11, 2:25 AM

As far as I have tested mind blast is now doing over double the damage it was prior to patch, one particularly nice example is getting a few 70k+ crits on target dummys (no bs). Mastery seems to be a very useful stat to have now, will be interested to see how the numbers come out in the priorities now.

Elerion · 02/09/11, 3:40 AM

Originally Posted by Althor

SimulationCraft is almost ready for an official 4.0.6 release. I have generated some scale factors for the 372 Shadow Priest. Results can be found at:

Simulationcraft Results

Wow, those are surprising. In the latest beta simulations you did, wasn't Mastery equivalent to Haste or better? What changed? Also, hit nearly halved in value relative to pre-patch? Do we know why?

As always, the simulations are highly appreciated, but I have trouble understanding the causality.

For reference, here are the results from your 21/1 post (_prepatch and _PTR) relative to the newest results (_current):

  Priest_Shadow_T11_372_prepatch      Int=1.0000  Spi=0.3901  SP=0.7741  Hit=0.3895  Crit=0.4198  Haste=0.5111  Mastery=0.3869  DPS/Int=3.0079
  Priest_Shadow_T11_372_PTR  Int=1.0000  Spi=0.4380  SP=0.7822  Hit=0.4386  Crit=0.4201  Haste=0.4377  Mastery=0.4416  DPS/Int=3.6518
  Priest_Shadow_T11_372_current  Int=1.0000  Spi=0.2036  SP=0.7720  Hit=0.2064  Crit=0.4441  Haste=0.5764  Mastery=0.4327  DPS/Int=3.6715

Can that massive shift in haste and hit values be attributed entirely to spending slightly less time in execute phase (which should happen when you remove the warlock from the simulations, as per your previous posts)?

Althor · 02/09/11, 4:00 AM

I'm not entirely sure at the moment. I've been in a huge rush these last few days getting all profiles ready for our release and some last minute code changes.
I'll take a good look at the breakdowns and try to find out what is going on.

Treyce · 02/09/11, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by UnholY_Prince

[Heart of Ignacious] seems to no longer stack up on Mind Flay ticks. Now only stacks from DoT Ticks, Mind Blast, and once per Mind Flay.

It actually seems to have an ICD on how fast it can stack. Even with full dots rolling, I would only get one stack at a time, approximately every 2 or 3 seconds (haven't accurately timed it yet).

Sui-san · 02/09/11, 11:55 AM

Moved to Simple Q&A. Apologies.