The Renew breakpoint for Discipline is not worth it at all, especially not at the cost of Mastery. Moreover, Renew is one of the weakest tools in the Discipline toolbox and shouldn't be the focus of your gearing. Rather, you should be gearing towards getting more substantial Spirit Shells, Aegis, and PW:S, which make up the good majority of Discipline output.

That said, some Haste as Discipline is nice for getting out PoH in a timely manner, especially on heroic fights as there is a ton of movement this tier. With such low values of Haste it will be on you to plan accordingly (read: watch boss timers) to get the most out of your Spirit Shell and Aegis prior to incoming damage or much of the benefit to Mastery stacking will go to waste. This is pretty much how you should play regardless as Discipline, but if you were used to a lot of Haste in T13, as I was, it can take some getting used to.

I think , it is not true.
Intel is the best stat for healers including disc spec and will stay for long time like this.

The only circonstance where Intel could be under the mastery is when your overhealing is so important that adding Intel will be transfered into Overhealing while adding mastery can be used in the first priority in the healing table.

MoP has additionaly increased the difference between INT and the others HpS stat compare to Cata and previous release of wow.
That is also the reason why , with MoP, has appeared these gems with a double value of secondary stat compared to primary stat like INT.
It is just a compensation but the compensation is not totale.

I agree that mastery is scaling well on SS and PWS but Intel has still a better scaling on these 2 spells.
In addition, you are not under SS or PWS during all the fight and all the others spells have a real bad scaling on Mastery including PoH.

Anyway, it is difficult to oppose Intel vs Mastery because we have to choose the stats compared to the gems color.
So i cannot imagine (when spirit is at the right level) that we use , for example, a 80 int/160 mastery on red or 320 mastery on yelow.

Basically, the double value of mastery compared to the intel on gems does not compensate completly the gap between the effect of the intel on the whole gameplay.

To come back on the initial question, i agree with you with the choice of mastery but this choice does not impact really heavely the performance.
When you consider the global gameplay of the disc spec, Haste / Mastery / Critical are quite at the same level of performance.
The choice of mastery will be better in some phase where an overhealing is possible.

As you have written, Haste is still a great stat but , i think, it is more applicable in progress (for boss first down) where the reactivity is more important than the HpS itself.

Compared to pre-Mop, my feeling is that haste has been devaluated because of 2 reasons :
- haste does not scale with the new spells chosen @LV90 (only on the gcd of the spell)
- haste does not scale really under SS since it is not possible to add a cast of PoH under SS without using Power Infusion.

When you integrate these 2 effects in the global gameplay, the weight of the haste is reduced depending on the weight of those 2 spells (SS and spell @LV90) in the global gameplay.

I have an additional subject link to haste breakpoints given at the first page.

I have not a lot of time today to give long details of calculation but i do not agree on the breakpoint totally.
in fact, i am not in accordance with the haste value needed for breakpoints.

For examples :
- First additional tic of renew is not at 12,51% haste but at 12,50 haste.
- Same for sanctuary which is at 10% instead of 9,98%

And all the others are wrong also except Renew (Glyphed) and sanctuary for 5 and 6 additional tics.


the general formula of haste depending on the number of added tic is :

%haste =MAX(1/(2*N)+(N+X-1)/N -1;0)

where :
N : Number of base tic without haste = total Time of Hot without haste / interval between tic without haste)
X : number of aditional tic

So i do not understand why we can find also 16,66% for Renew (glyphed) and 16,65% for Sanctuary when the formula give the same value.

If anyone can confirm or correct me, it will be a pleaser !

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Intellect is not strong for throughput its actually rather weak. spirit below 13k is roughly 1.2 times better than intellect, except for gimmick encounters. For disc mastery is nearly 1 to 1 in value with intellect.

At 18k spellpower (before raid buffs), 1 additional point increases healing by all spells by 0.004610465985% (including the crit bonus) and ignoring all overheal.

1 point of mastery increases absorbs by 0.0072%

Assuming 20% overheal and 50% of your healing from absorbs. 1 mastery is about the same as 1 intellect

Holy mastery is 0.0021% per point of mastery, so it is ~2:1 with intellect, but it is a little worse due since it overheals more.

Basically disc priests should never gem intellect at all, unless the set bonus makes it worthwhile.

Haste stacks multiplicatively. That means your haste increases the benefit you get from borrowed time, serendipity and power infusion. Haste theoretically is currently the best throughput stat, but unfortunately since healing is HPM limited at the moment, it turns out to be the worst.

Crit due to very poor scaling with PoH and no scaling with PWS, is currently a terrible stat for disc. Intellect is currently better than crit even at 50% penalty.

The correct stat weights for disc are now dependent on your spirit

Below 13k spirit

spirit >> mastery = int > haste > crit

Above 13k spirit

spirit = mastery = int > haste > crit

At 17k spirit

haste > mastery = int > spirit > crit.

For holy things are not so clear cut its tough to determine the value of crit vs haste and the exact point where more spirit is pointless is harder to judge.

If you struggle with mana you need more spirit.

If mana is not a problem haste >= int > mastery > crit, for gems. And int > everything for enchants, consumables.

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Haste and SS:

to add one more PoH in 15s without any haste requires ~17% haste normally.

However because haste and borrowed time stack multiplicatively you only need 14.5% haste to get an extra PoH in if you have borrowed time up when you activated spirit shell.

Thus by arranging to have borrowed time up when you activate spirit shell you only need ~10% haste before raid buffs to squeeze an extra PoH in. That is a lot of haste rating admittedly but its still there. You can have PI up for every 2nd spirit shell too.

I don't understand how this can be the case when mastery only affects spirit shell and DA whereas spell power works on the whole tool set.

Spirit Shell, Divine Aegis, and Power Word: Shield are usually the bulk of our healing.

I do agree though, and amend my previous statements, that this is not unequivocally true, and that the value of Mastery fluctuates a lot in the actual raiding environment. In MSV specifically, there are several encounters where Smite-healing is quite beneficial (Stone Guard, Gara'jal, Elegon), and the value of Mastery is not exactly high for that sort of strategy. Given that two of those fights also have mana-saving mechanics though, maybe they are just special cases outside of our usual discussion. It remains to be seen how the rest of this tier turns out, and how the actual mechanics affect our stat weights.

Now you gain 200% from Rapture.
Ninja buff. Just checked it.
With manatide totem I got 70k mana from single shield. Thats insane.

And Rapture now can >>>multiproc<<<
Remember Lich King encounter?
You can gain mana from more then one shield with single rapture cd.

The stealth buff to aegis makes crit a much better stat. Crit scaling is up 15% for all spells that can crit (edit: except poh i guess)

Absolutely.
Yesterday log from Feng:
LOG

Check time stamps at the left.
That log from my mate, who tested multirapture and it surely works like in WotLK

Unless my combatlogs are bugged, I can confirm that wotlk-style multi-rapture is back, intended or not.

Not sure if this information has been posted, but the T14 2p decreases Flash Heal's mana cost from 17700 to 14160. This bumps Flash Heal's HPM to be closer to Greater Heal's, so I might start using Flash Heal over Greater Heal due to its higher HPCT too. Any opinions about that?

Edit: oh wow didn't realise that its my first post lol. Please be gentle.

Delete plz double post