Balkoth

First off, this thread is intended to be a compilation of Shadow Priest knowledge. It has information on talent specs, gear, enchants/gems, spell priority, and a few other tidbits. It is a co project between many of the priests on these boards, effectively. I know both Benegesserit and Woobsauce are working on similar information, and I hope to incorporate their work into this thread. This is mainly going to be a thread on PvE Shadow Priesting at level 70, though I could expand it to PvP if requested.

Contents
1. What is a Shadow Priest? (And Key Terms)
2. What are the key talents for a Shadow Priest?
3. What are the important stats for a Shadow Priest?
4. What gems/enchants are good for a Shadow Priest?
5. What sort of gear does a Shadow Priest wear?
6. What is some basic information on Shadow Priest spells?
7. What is a spell priority system, and how does it apply to Shadow Priests?
8. FAQ

1. What is a Shadow Priest? (And Key Terms)
Priests in World of Warcraft are a versatile spell casting class. They wear cloth armor and can use one handed maces, daggers, staves, and wands. A key part of priests is their ability to both heal and deal damage. The three priest talent trees are Discipline, Holy, and Shadow.

A shadow priest is a priest that embarks on the damage road. Most of their talent points are located in the shadow tree, with a few in Discipline. They deal exclusively shadow damage. Through abilities such as Vampiric Embrace and Vampiric Touch, they return a percentage of their damage done as health and mana to their party. Note that, again, +shadow damage and ONLY +shadow damage is a factor in deals of calculating these totals. +damage/healing offers no benefit over raw shadow damage for PvE DPS, and +healing is worthless.

Shadow priests, though capable of returning health to their party, are usually grouped with classes that can make the best use of the amazing regeneration of Vampiric Touch. Their job is to deal as much damage as they can (without pulling aggro, of course) to return the maximum amount of health and mana to their party and to maintain two important debuffs: Shadow Weaving (+2% shadow damage from all sources to the target, stacks 5 times) and Misery (+5% spell damage to the target).

Some shadow priest terms...
SW:P = Shadow Word: Pain
VT = Vampiric Touch
VE = Vampiric Embrace
MB = Mind Blast
SW:D = Shadow Word: Death
MF = Mind Flay
GCD = Global Cooldown
DoT = Damage over Time

What are the key talents for a Shadow Priest?
Most of the key talents for a Shadow Priest are in the shadow tree. I'll briefly touch over the main ones.

Spirit Tap (5 ranks) = This is an amazing talent for grinding. In raids, its use is more limited, as getting a killing blow is more difficult. However, if you are able to snipe a kill on an add, it offers a major mana return. You will either need to get this talent or Blackout.

Blackout (5 ranks) = This is a powerful PvP talent, but not much else. It offers a chance to stun non-immune adds in a fight, but obviously is worthless against bosses. Neither this talent nor Spirit Tap is critical, but you will need to pick one.

Shadow Affinity (3 ranks) = This is a mandatory talent. Maxed out, it offers a 25% threat reduction to all shadow threat caused. The current belief is that this affects VE as well, making it doubly valuable, as shadow priests are capable of producing an insane amount of threat.

Improved Shadow Word: Pain (2 ranks) = This talent increases the duration of SW:P by 33%, not only improving mana efficiency but also reducing the number of GCDs needed to maintain the DoT.

Shadow Focus (5 ranks) = Shadow focus is a talent that works exactly like spell hit. Every 12.6 spell hit is equivalent of 1% spell hit. Each point of shadow focus is worth 2% spell hit, or 25.2 spell hit rating. This should initially be maxed out for raiding shadow priests, though shadow priests at the Black Temple/Mount Hyjal level often drop a point of two from the excess of spell hit that is unavoidable. Against a boss, there is a 17% miss rate and 16% of that miss rate can be negated. Shadow focus removes 10% of this, leaving 6%, or 75-76 spell hit rating needed.

Mind Flay (1 rank) = This is your basic face melting spell, and an important part of your DPS between MB/SW:D cooldowns and SW:P/VT refreshes.

Improved Mind Blast (5 ranks) = This talent reduces the duration of the Mind Blast cooldown in increments of 0.5 seconds. As such, it is typically only useful as 1 point or 4 points until you have spell haste gear, as it reduces it to a 7.5 second cooldown (5 GCDs) or a 6 second cooldown (4 GCDs). This is a staple of MB heavy casting. With sufficient spell haste, 5 points becomes viable as it allows for a MB -> MF -> MF -> MB, if the MF is down to a 2.75 second channel.

Shadow Reach (2 ranks) = Provides a greater range on all shadow spells, allowing you to attack the boss from farther away. This is extremely important due to MF's short range.

Shadow Weaving (5 ranks) = Each point provides a 20% chance for a shadow spell to leave a debuff that increases shadow damage taken by 2% and stacks 5 times. 4 points is sufficient to maintain a full stack, and shadow priests who take 5/5 do so for PvP purposes or to insure a fast stack. This is a major debuff for not only shadow priests but also warlocks.

Focused Mind (3 ranks) = This talent increases the mana efficiency of MB, MF, and Mind Control. The Mind Control part is not important, but the MB and MF reduction is powerful.

Vampiric Embrace/Improved Vampiric Embrace (1 rank/2 ranks) = VE is a debuff placed upon a target that returns 15% of all damage dealt to that target to the shadow priest's group. Each point in Improved VE increases that by 5% (to 20%/25% respectively). VE is mandatory for Shadowform. Improved VE is a matter of personal preference (and I find it quite useful).

Silence (1 rank) = This spell requires two points in Improved Pyschic Scream and thus is typically not gotten in serious raiding builds. However, it can be useful in stopping adds from casting (necromancers in Hyjal is one of the best examples). Take it if you wish, but it will not affect your DPS in any shape or form.

Darkness (5 ranks) = 10% extra damage, health, and mana returned. Enough said.

Shadowform (1 rank) = This is why shadow priests look cool. 15% extra damage and a physical damage reduction. Get it.

Shadow Power (5 ranks) = Each point increases the critical strike chance of both of your offensive and crittable spells by 3%. As such, each point is worth 66.3 spell crit rating. It is not a substantial damage increase overall, but it IS a damage increase.

Misery (5 ranks) = 5% extra spell damage from all sources. Mages, warlocks, elemental shamans, moonkins, etc, will love you for this debuff. Max it out.

Vampiric Touch (1 rank) = This is the reason shadow priests are raid viable. It is a 15 second DoT that returns 5% of the damage done as mana to the group (including the priest). This is often equivalent to 200-300 mana per 5 seconds to the shadow priest's group. Get it.

In the Discipline tree...

Wand Specialization (5 ranks) = Why are you wanding? Get this for grinding or if you don't wish to resist a fear at a bad time.

Unbreakable Will (5 ranks) = Mostly a PvP talent, can both hurt and hinder PvE (resisting a fear when your tank misses the stance dance = bad, resisting a remote toy = good). Neither this nor Wand Spec will really affect PvE.

Improved Power Word: Fortitude (2 ranks) = Might as well get it. This tier is unimpressive.

Improved Power Word: Shield (3 ranks) = Might as well get it. This tier is unimpressive.

Inner Focus (1 rank) = This should be used for one of two spells during a fight: Devouring Plague or SW:P. It's a free cast every three minutes.

Meditation (3 ranks) = This talent offers 30% mana regeneration from spirit to continue while casting (in 2.3 currently 15% on live). This will equate to something like 60 mana per 5 over not having it.

The "average" raiding shadow priest spec is this, or something close to it. Spirit Tap and Blackout are interchangeable. A point or two from Shadow Focus/Shadow Weaving/Shadow Power can be moved to Improved MB.

3. What are the important stats for a Shadow Priest?

Spell hit: Point for point, 1 spell hit rating returns a larger increase in DPS than anything else. However, this is because spell hit can become capped, and IS capped very quickly for shadow priests. Against a boss type mob, you will have your spells resisted 17% of the time. 16% of this can be negated via spell hit. Of that 16%, ten can be negated through talents alone, meaning 76 spell hit rating is needed. For every 25 points of spell hit rating above this cap that can not be avoided, you can drop a point in shadow focus to spend elsewhere. However, never itemise for spell hit unless you need 4-6 spell hit rating to drop another point in shadow focus and have an item that gives a +damage bonus with a yellow socket.

Damage: Damage is your bread and butter stat. It, once hit capped, is the one and only stat worth getting in the sense that every other stat is translated to damage to see it's value. For purposes of other comparisons, one spell damage will be considered the baseline. It does not matter whether the damage is shadow damage only or generic damage, both offer the same value and hence take whichever is higher (if all else is equal).

Spell Crit: Spell crit affects every single shadow priest spell that can crit. Yes, both of them. Only MB and SW:D are affected by spell crit, and they only crit for 150% damage, meaning that spell crit is a fairly weak stat for shadow priests. The current accepted conversion is roughly 6 spell crit rating = 1 damage. Yes, it's that weak. And it does nothing if you are not using MB or SW:D.

Intellect: Intellect is only useful as it converts into spell crit. Assuming kings, it's about 20 int per damage. Again, a weak stat.

Spirit: Spirit helps regenerate mana with Meditation (which is getting buffed in 2.3) and also adds damage via improved Divine Spirit. 9 spirit is equal to one damage, assuming kings, along with the regen benefits.

Mana per 5 Seconds: This helps regenerate mana. Good if it's on a piece, but not needed.

Stamina: You only truly need a baseline hp level on Doomwalker and Naj'entus, both of whom you can wear PvP gear for. Ultimately, don't worry about it too much.

4. What gems/enchants are good for a Shadow Priest?
For gems, shadow priests have it fairly easy: +damage. Runed <blank> are your friend, whether it is the 7, 9, or 12 damage variety. It is very rare that a socket bonus is worth following (unless it requires all red gems). Essentially, any socket is a home for your runed friends.

It is important to note that the current metagem for shadow priests, the Mystical Skyfire Diamond, requires more blue gems than yellow gems. Thankfully, shadow priests generally don't use any yellow gems, meaning that swapping one runed gem for a glowing gem will activate the meta.

For enchants, I'll break it down slot by slot...

Head = [Glyph of Arcane Power]
Shoulders = [Greater Inscription of the Orb] or [Greater Inscription of Discipline]. The [Zandalar Signet of Mojo]should be used in place of the Scryer enchant, if possible.
Cloak = Subtlety (-2% threat)
Chest = (Enchant Chest - Restore Mana Prime), (Enchant Chest - Exceptional Stats), (Enchant Chest - Major Spirit)
Bracers = (Enchant Bracer - Spellpower)
Gloves = (Enchant Gloves - Major Spellpower) or (Enchant Gloves - Shadow Power)
Leggings = [Runic Spellthread]
Feet = (Enchant Boots - Vitality) or (Enchant Boots - Boar's Speed) for movement heavy fights
Rings = (Enchant Ring - Spellpower)
Weapon = (Enchant Weapon - Soulfrost)

5. What sort of gear does a Shadow Priest wear?
Once a shadow priest has sufficient spell hit, damage is the key stat. Spell crit provides some use, but not nearly as much as damage. I believe current calculations have 6 spell crit rating equaling 1 damage under the heaviest MB/SW:D casting. Essentially, shadow priests want damage first, and mana per 5 second. Spirit is useful for extra damage (through Improved Divine Spirit) but should not be sought out.

Here is a list of pre-raid gear that is attainable without stepping into Karazhan. The PvP based items take longer than the others to obtain, but offer a large stamina boost at the cost of very little damage (only a 1 damage loss on the bracers for a 370 health, for example). Credit to Wootsauce for most of the new items.

Helm = [Spellstrike Hood]
Neck = [Natasha's Arcane Filament] or [Natasha's Ember Necklace] or [Vindicator's Pendant of Dominance]
Shoulders = [Frozen Shadoweave Shoulders]
Cloak = [Cloak of the Black Void] or [Cloak of Woven Energy]
Chest = [Frozen Shadoweave Robe]
Bracers = [Bracers of Havok] or [Vindicator's Dreadweave Cuffs]
Gloves = [Studious Wraps] if you're doing heroics. [Tempest's Touch] or [Jaedenfire Gloves of Annihilation] if not.
Belt = [Girdle of Ruination] or [Akama's Sash]
Leggings = [Spellstrike Pants]
Boots = [Frozen Shadoweave Boots]
Rings = [Signet of the Violet Tower], [Seal of the Exorcist], [Seer's Signet], [Evoker's Mark of the Redemption], [Manastorm Band], [Cobalt Band of Tyrigosa], [Khorium Band of Shadows]
Trinkets = [Darkmoon Card: Crusade] and [Icon of the Silver Crescent], although [Mark of Defiance] or also works until you get those.
Weapons = [Gavel of Unearthed Secrets] or a blue dagger/mace with +120ish damage
Offhand = [Orb of the Soul-Eater] (or [Tome of Shadow Force] until then)
Wand = [Carved Witch Doctor's Stick] is the best wand in game for a shadow priest. [Wand of the Netherwing], [Illidari Rod of Discipline] (requires an epic flying mount), or a wand of Shadow Wrath also work pre-heroics.

shadowpriest.com: Best Raiding Gear Available has a ranking of the raid gear, although I cannot completely vouch for it's accuracy. That entire site has a good deal of information, if you can deal with struggling through some of the posts.

6. What is some basic information on Shadow Priest spells?
Shadow Priests are fairly interesting in that most of their scaling comes from talents, which vastly amplify the coefficients of spells. Shadow priests have three types of scaling. The first is DoT scaling, which applies to SW:P and VT. A DoT coefficient is usually based upon five ticks = 100%, though I'll explain exactly how the main two Shadow Priest DoTs scale. The second is direct damage scaling, which applies to MB and SW:D. The third is the scaling of MF, which is a tad odd and will be addressed fully.

7. What is a spell priority system, and how does it apply to Shadow Priests?
ZOMG I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT ROTATION TO USE.

Sorry, it doesn't quite work like that. Shadow priests may have specific combinations they like to cast (such as MB -> MF -> MF -> MB) but they are part of a general priority system. This priority system is a way to determine what spell to cast next. It is a method to juggle essentially four cooldowns (MB, SW:D, VT, SW:P).

The spell priority that is generally accepted is...

1. VT
2. SW:P
3. MB
4. SW:D
5. MF

This means you always maintain VT, and then always maintain SW:P. If both of these are ticking, use MB if it's up, and then SW:D. Only MF if all four other spells are on cooldowns.

NOTE: This is a maximum DPS priority list. At lower gear levels, it is common to simply use...

1. VT
2. SW:P
3. MF

8. FAQ
Q: How much minimum mana do I need?
A: You need enough damage to last between mana potions and shadowfiends. Beyond that, you do not NEED a set amount of mana. A shadow priest's mana pool scales with his damage, not intellect.

Q: How much minimum health do I need?
A: 6800 for Doomwalker and 8500 for Naj'entus. Both of these values are raid buffed. In both cases, a Power Word: Shield can cut off some of the incoming damage. Outside of those fights, maximum health will rarely be an issue.

Q: How does Shadowfiend work?
A: The shadow fiend is summoned at your target and generally attacks 10 times. For each point of damage that is does, you gain 2.5 times that in mana. The damage done is increased by your own spell damage (65% over the duration, or 6.5% per hit) and also by debuffs on the target (Shadow Weaving, Misery, Curse of Shadows, etc.) It has a high resist and avoidance rate.

Q: What kind of group should I be in?
A: It depends on your raid. Shadow priests are generally clumped with mages and other casters and then with healers on some fights. You'll want to have a shaman for Wrath of Air and Mana Spring in your group (Resto offers Mana Tide and Elemental offers Totem of Wrath as well).

If there are any other questions that should be answered, list them and I'll do my best. If anyone has good information to offer on haste rating, I'd love to hear it. My guild is 5/5 Hyjal and 5/9 BT with absolutely no spell haste item drops, thus I have been unable to test anything.

And, of course, if I've messed something up, please yell at me and I'll fix it.

 

galzohar

I would assume spell haste would be pathetic for shadow priests as it only practically affects mind flay which is your lowest priority spell and not a big enough portion of your DPS.
(Just like crit only affects MB and SW which again by themselves aren't a big enough portion of your DPS not to mention they only crit for 1.5X while itemz value crit rating as if crits are 2X and even for classes that can crit all spells for 2x 1 spell damage is generally > 1 crit rating.)

 

Amonra

Spell haste isn't quite as bad as you might think.

In an ideal 30 second cycle a shadow priest should cast 2*VT, 1.25*SWP, 2.5*SWD, 5.4*MB (assuming 5.5 imp MB). That lot adds up to 16.7 seconds leaving 13.3 seconds for other stuff.

Now in the real world there is lag so you won't be casting all those spells quite that quickly, however in the real world the cooldowns don't overlap very neatly so you won't actually fit that many of those spells into a 30 second window.

In practive I typically find that I'm spending about 40% of my time casting mind flay, so 40% of my cast time is gaining a benefit from spell haste.

Running the numbers through the various simulators available and at 1200 damage you get something like 3 spell haste = 1 damage, which is big enough that it can't be ignored.


Since you mentioned crit, the same simulations show that 6 crit is worth about 1 damage (assuming using SWD - a bit lower without). Again not awesome but big enough that it can't be ignored completely.

 

galzohar

Another thing to point out is that if you get 3 haste=1 damage for dps purposes then 1 damage is better beacuase 1 damage also increases your DPM while haste doesn't. Any more haste though and you have to start thinking how much DPM you're willing to sacrifice for how much DPS which is a much harder choice.

 

tedv

The jury is still out on spell haste. There has been some rudimentary mathematical modeling that has placed it anywhere between 2 haste = 1 damage and .8 haste = 1 damage. I haven't seen a formula I'm comfortable with (and I've been one of the people posting formulas too).

That said, there has been a reasonable amount of anecdotal evidence that priests geared in T6 level gear that stack spell haste are gaining modest returns on their DPS. There have been a few posted WWS pages on the issue, and haste does seem to make a difference. The value of haste is clearly in the same ballpark as damage; it's just not clear what the actual trade off is, even when the spell damage value is fixed.

On that note, it's worth mentioning that spell damage increases your DPS and DPM by a static amount no matter what you've stacked. And haste increases you DPS by a larger amount once you have more spell damage, but never increases your DPM.

 

Severin

I would suggest [Veteran's Pendant of Dominance] with a Runed Living Ruby for a pre-raid neck, over [Natasha's Arcane Filament].

 

Jubling

Great post!

For the pre-raid gear list I'd suggest adding the [Mark of Defiance] trinket, it's finally been fixed to proc off dots and is much easier to get than the other two. [Khorium Band of Shadows] is also very good for how easy it is to get.

On spell priorities, how about suggesting the use of mods that show dot duration like ClassTimers (can't remember the others).

For the FAQ section, maybe add something along the lines of "Why is spell crit bad?" with the numbers from earlier in the post, so it's easier to find. And maybe "Will I need lots of mana potions?" .

 

bludwork

I would like to add [Brooch of Heightened Potential] for pre-raid necklace. It's better than the ones currently listed

 

nikitabanana

I would argue that you want the following priority list to maximize dps.

1. SW
2. MB
3. VT
4. SW:P
5. MF

Outside of the initial SW:D or mb (depending if it's safe at the fight to SW:D), with 5/5 mb, using mb/SW:D every moment they are up - I rarely see either hit when vt is down. I do see them hit with SW:P down a tick, but you'll maximize your dps (maybe lose a slight bit of mana, but I never really go oom if I'm using pot cd's every time I'm below 2k mana and they're up).

Like I said - that's just me, and is from experience - but anything with a cd like SW:D/mb, you want to use first and keep using to maximize their usage.

Even after using a skull of gul'dan, they're worth using (and eating the bit of gcd you get) due to their supremely higher dps.

 

Mearis

My personal DPS isn't as important as the mana I return, so VT goes before absolutely anything.

 

tedv

Not remotely. 7 spell damage is much better than 9 hit rating and 14 spell crit, especially at low gear levels where crit is even less useful. This was covered in the first post: spell damage is better than anything else, except maybe haste when you have very high end gear. Maybe

 

nikitabanana

Like I said - it doesn't fall off when you prioritize it that way.

So at least if you look at it from the standpoint of omgvtunderallcircumstances

VT
swd
mb
swp
mf


Anyone I've seen prioritizing swp over the previous two, do lower dps then the other way. I understand your VT argument, I'm just saying I guess - that I never see it fall off when I prioritize it that way - so I don't need to prioritize it highest even though I sorta do...but yeah, SW:P < using the other cd's for sure.

 

Nurru

The main reason I don't open right off with MB/SW is that on crits it can spike a good deal of damage (and thus threat), whereas VT->SWP first gives the tank a few seconds.

< Aislinana> Why would it be my job to sleep with vontre? Don't I have standards?

 

Severin

I think it is fair to include the Brooch in the pre-raid list. Spellstrike and the helm enchant are your primary sources for spell hit at that gear level, and it only takes you to 52. And unless you can acquire the S2 weapon, you'll need to make up a great deal of hit elsewhere. So the 9 hit from the Brooch could be valuable at that level depending on what other gear you have available (Ashyen's Gift, Spirit Shard ring, etc).

 

Benegesserit

Can't say this for a certainty at the moment. Have you considered the value of spirit with the common meditation build? 30% in 2.3 could very well sway in favor of spirit over mp/5, especially when considering the fact that it also has the potential to increase your spell damage.

 

Kaxig

Shadowpriests repeat after me: My manapool is meaningless.

 

nikitabanana

With salv and a misdirect up I'll never pull aggro :P.

That said, I definitely watch omen as I cast spells =D.

 

Balkoth

I'll mention it, but grinding out the honor for it can be a pain. Hence why I didn't include it initially.

Adding the trinket, I missed the part where it became fixed :) Forgot about the ring, adding that too.

I currently use DoTimer. I know Quartz is also an option. If someone has a list of other mods, I'll include it.

I'll add both. Though I confess to avoiding MB/SW:D on farm content to cut down on the mana potion consumption >.>

For the reasons Severin mentioned, I'll include it.

Well, let's look at some numbers. First, we'll keep VT out of the equation for the reasons stated. So, we're comparing MB, SW:D, and SW:P. These spells have effective cooldowns of 7-9.5, 12, and 24 second cooldowns, respectively. We'll look at each seperately and I'll use Balkoth - WWS for the numbers on MB and SW:P.

According to that kill, MB's average damage was 2200. SW:P was ticking for 750. The key is finding out how much damage you lose by losing a GCD. SW:P ticks every 3 seconds for 750, or 375 per GCD. Mind Blast (using 5/5 Imp MB) can hit for 2200 every 7 seconds, or losing 315 per GCD when it's not used. With no points in Imp MB it is 232. Now, granted, I do not have Shadow Power or much crit. But unless the Mind Blast does 375/314= 19% more damage all of a sudden, using SW:P is superior.

So, now let's compare MB to SW:D. Fact 1: MB hits for more than SW:D. Fact 2: SW:D has a longer cooldown than MB. Using the GCD loss argument, MB is clearly superior.

I believe, raid buffed, Meditation currently offers about 10 mana/5 per point. So in 2.3 priests will likely gain 30 mana/5 if they have full Meditation, from their spirit. Now, I haven't done any hard math, but based upon gem stat ratios 10 spirit would have to be superior to 4 mana per 5, in terms of regeneration and extra damage. I don't have time to try to figure it out now.

And yes, we still don't have any hard data that is consistent for haste (besides haste being more valuable at higher damage levels).

A big thank you on the feedback, I'll update with these changes when I have the time tonight.

 

Thezilch

While it's true that the MB and SW:P cooldowns aren't head-to-head often, SW:P will always do more DPS per global, if it runs the full duration (bosses).

Without 2pc T6, SW:P will tick 8 times. If we take an average tick of 600 (yes, this is quite low to send home the message), we can expect 8 * 600 for 4800 damage over a 1.5 second global (3200 DPS). Again, this is close to the lowest end of SW:P's DPS capability. I can personally expect closer to 8100 damage done (5400 DPS)

Without even going into the math, with 4pc T6 and Imp. SB proc, I'm looking at mid-4800 crits from MB. That is, if the stars are all aligned, MB will _match_ the lowest expectations from SW:P. Averaged over a fight, the MB GCD falls behind.

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As for haste, more than mind flay will take advantage of the stat. Effectively, hasted MB and VT will invoke the cooldown or sooner dot ticks. This will haste the rate at which MB and VT can be recast, increasing long-term DPS.

There is also speculation / anecdotal theories claiming haste is affecting server response on instant casts. If this is the case, haste will also counter any latency tacked onto an instant's GCD, which can't be combated by /stopcasting.

 

Caligula

You could probably expand the "What group should I be in?" section a bit. You don't even mention hunters but they are arguably the class that benefits most from a shadow priest.

 

Reverie

Personally, I cast VT -> SW:P before my DD spells for two reasons. Threat management (spikes early are bad, mkay?) and VT/SW:P apply two stacks of Shadow Weaving and apply Misery, allowing 9% more damage on the MB and 11% on the SW. If the fight requires a bit more time of threat generation, I'll generally spam rank 1 SW:Ps first off to build 3-4 stacks of shadow weaving and get misery on there, then I'll go into VT -> SW:P to cap it off at 5 (I only have 4/5 Shadow Weaving, just to note) making my DD spells at this point do 15% more damage. I use the DD spells immediately after the DoTs, though, to free up the cooldowns early and often.

Also, I was going to make a post of my own in this nature, but I guess it'd be bad form to compete with this post?

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Slothrop

I have a question concerning the +hit cap on a Draenei Shadow Priest. The "Working Theories of Theorycrafting as of 2.2" thread reports that, "Once you reach the hit cap, +damage is the best stat to stack for a shadow priest."

As I understand it, for PvE, +16% chance to hit is the maximum effective. A Draenei gets a +1% chance to hit racial bonus, so a Draenei SP needs on +15% chance to hit to reach the hit cap, which translates to a 15*12.6 = +190 spell hit rating.

But as a SP, having 5 points in Shadow Focus give another +10% chance to hit for shadow spells, so this should mean that only another +5% chance to hit is needed for a Draenei SP to reach the hit cap for shadow spells, which is only 5*12.6 = +63 spell hit rating.

But though +63 spell hit rating points allows the Draenei SP to be maxed on shadow spells, it takes another +127 spell hit rating points on top of that to max chance to hit for one of the most commonly used SP spells, Mind Blast.

My question is, after getting to +63 spell hit rating on a Draenei SP, is there any reason to invest another rating point in spell hit rating to get better performance on Mind Blast, or should further itemization be directed at +damage?

 

Caligula

Mind blast is shadow. It's affected by SF. Get your 63 hit and then focus on + damage until you have so much + hit on your best gear that you can drop points out of SF and put them into other things (Shadow power, imp MB, etc).

 

Slothrop

Ack. I guess I was mislead by the Discipline talent, "Focused Power", which increases chance to hit on Smite, Mind Blast and Mass Dispel. Because of Focused Power, I thought that Shadow Focus doesn't apply to Mind Blast. Thanks for the correction and the advice.

 

Benegesserit

I believe Focused Power used to affect all spells, but got fixed.