Holy Raiding Compendium v2 - Page 27

PowerBaton · 04/26/08, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by cassianpry

A noobish question:

What is better, 22heal gem or 11heal+5spirit???

In my opinion 11heal+5spirit (Shadowsong) will be best gem for us due a great stats balance which is assure.

Im planning use this Shadowsong in ever blue and red socket and 11heal+5int in every yellow (Pyrestone)

constantius · 04/26/08, 2:01 PM

The new gem is good, but it's not game-breaking. The only advantage it truly brings is the ability to stack more healing at the expense of regen, WHILE keeping your spirit moderately high.

At the moment, any time we see a red socket, it's a Spinel. Any time we see a yellow, it's *probably* a Luminous Pyrestone. And any time we see a blue socket, it's either a Sparkling Empyrean Sapphire *or* a Royal Shadowsong Amethyst.

You're unlikely to start putting this new gem into red sockets. It's just not worth it with the regen options we have available at the moment. However, the blue sockets ... that's where it gets interesting:

- if you use Empyreans, this is an opportunity to lose 5 spirit, and gain 11 healing. Your call if that's worth it.
- if you use Amethysts, this is an opportunity to trade 2 Mp5 for 5 spirit. This is certainly worth it. (7.1 Mp5 OO5SR / 2.1 I5SR) You also gain 2 extra +heal in the process. Net gain.

If you have a Red+Blue socket atm, and have Spinel+Sapphire, then you could resocket with two Amethysts ... and get exactly the same net result.

Pipson · 04/26/08, 2:32 PM

Exactly how good is stacking +haste and +spirit?

Has anyone tried maxing out these two stats? It seems to me that it could be very effective as a CoH, I just haven't had the opportunity to try it out myself.

Jayde · 04/27/08, 8:36 AM

Figuring out what gem to use is actually quite simple, just look at what you prefer for non-matched sockets.

If for every non-matched socket you use a +10 Spirit gem, +5 Spirit/+11 Healing is better than +22 Healing for a red socket but worse for a blue socket. If for every non-matched socket you use a +22 Healing gem, it is worse for a red socket but better for a blue socket. It's just simple logic, being that it is halfway between the two gems.

Personally, I intend to put the new gem in red sockets and avoiding it for blue sockets, as I lean towards valuing +10 Spirit as better than +22 healing. Considering swapping out a +22 healing is only a loss of 8.7 +healing buffed for me vs. ~2.5 Mp5 on average, I would slightly tip my hat to the Purified.

The clearest thing is, however, that nobody should be using Royals anymore--if they were, anyhow. They are really quite sub-par compared to Spirit options for us now.

JaneLame · 04/27/08, 8:48 AM

Is it just me, or is there no real good flask for healing priests? This guide recommends [Flask of Mighty Restoration] which provides 25 mp5s - it's hardly benefitical with 615 spirit unbuffed (I'm raiding T5 content recently). Of course, two elixirs are the best option, but this might get costly when wiping repeatedly on new difficult bosses, as part of the learning process.

I think that on fights which involve small/nonexistant physical dmg and consist mostly of magical dmg, [Flask of Chromatic Wonder] is the best option. 18 int translates into some crit chance (=more inspiration procs=more tank armor). 18 spirit translates into +4 healing and 8 mp5s approx. 18 stam translates into a little more health, which no class should say no to. And there's the +35 all resistances. Useless for Gruul, but might save you from an arcane orb or two on a Void Reaver fight (along with the Kara trinket and the druid buff).

I'd take this flask almost any time over [Flask of Mighty Restoration]. Too bad it's a lot more expensive and the resistances are wasted on certain fights. I can't decide if using these on this week's Vashj wipefest, since I usually don't die from her lightning but from a strider 1-shot.

Playered · 04/27/08, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by JaneLame

Is it just me, or is there no real good flask for healing priests? This guide recommends [Flask of Mighty Restoration] which provides 25 mp5s - it's hardly benefitical with 615 spirit unbuffed (I'm raiding T5 content recently). Of course, two elixirs are the best option, but this might get costly when wiping repeatedly on new difficult bosses, as part of the learning process.

I think that on fights which involve small/nonexistant physical dmg and consist mostly of magical dmg, [Flask of Chromatic Wonder] is the best option. 18 int translates into some crit chance (=more inspiration procs=more tank armor). 18 spirit translates into +4 healing and 8 mp5s approx. 18 stam translates into a little more health, which no class should say no to. And there's the +35 all resistances. Useless for Gruul, but might save you from an arcane orb or two on a Void Reaver fight (along with the Kara trinket and the druid buff).

I'd take this flask almost any time over [Flask of Mighty Restoration]. Too bad it's a lot more expensive and the resistances are wasted on certain fights. I can't decide if using these on this week's Vashj wipefest, since I usually don't die from her lightning but from a strider 1-shot.

Calculations based on 600 Int / 600 Spirit and all effects got their typical raid multipliers (might be a tiny bit off):
Chromatic Wonder is between 10 MP5 and 15 MP5 depending on your time spent inside the 5SR (100%/80%).
Mighty Resto is 25 MP5 regardless of time spent inside the 5SR.
Distilled Wisdom is between 11 MP5 and 17 MP5 depending on your time spent inside the 5SR (100%/80%).

Sure there isn't really a flask to the magnitude of Pure Death / Relentless Assault but for the majority of healers combined Mighty Restoration is 'okay' and generally going to be the best of the bunch unless you turn to Elixirs in any situation where you look at it from a Regeneration stand point.
Naturally Chromatic Wonder will also add a tiny amount of extra healing and some Stamina but due to the cost of deviating from Mighty Resto im not sure its worth it in anything except special cases.

That said, there is no +healing flask for healers which is the only real gripe about the situation in comparison.

Sinndir · 04/27/08, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pipson

Exactly how good is stacking +haste and +spirit?

Has anyone tried maxing out these two stats? It seems to me that it could be very effective as a CoH, I just haven't had the opportunity to try it out myself.

That is what I am currently gearing for and never looking back.

Jane, if your healers are not poor the best option are elixirs not flasks for us. [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] and one other of which you have two options:

[Elixir of Healing Power]
[Elixir of Mastery]

I prefer the Healing power/Draenic as the cost of mastery is 3x terocone which is not cool!

Bjork · 04/27/08, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by JaneLame

Is it just me, or is there no real good flask for healing priests? This guide recommends [Flask of Mighty Restoration] which provides 25 mp5s - it's hardly benefitical with 615 spirit unbuffed (I'm raiding T5 content recently). Of course, two elixirs are the best option, but this might get costly when wiping repeatedly on new difficult bosses, as part of the learning process.

[Flask of Mighty Restoration] is very bad indeed. On my server marks sell for 40-50g and that makes [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] both cheaper and better even when "chain wiping" for two hours straight.

Raidbuffed without personal buffs, I have the following stats:

661 Stamina
651 Intellect
782 Spirit
2500 + healing
10,51% crit
Mana regen: 1052/401

Draenic Wisdom adds around 65/20 mp5 to that and 33 Intellect. Far better than the flask. Best combo of Elixirs as I see it, is Draenic Wisdom + [Elixir of Mastery]. Net gain for me with those Elixirs are:

16,5 Stamina
49,5 Intellect
49,5 Spirit
18 +healing
0,61% crit
Mana regen: 99/33

I can't see any reason for a priest to use the flask as one single elixir is better and cheaper.

♦ Slackie · 04/27/08, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by JaneLame

Is it just me, or is there no real good flask for healing priests? This guide recommends [Flask of Mighty Restoration] which provides 25 mp5s - it's hardly benefitical with 615 spirit unbuffed (I'm raiding T5 content recently). Of course, two elixirs are the best option, but this might get costly when wiping repeatedly on new difficult bosses, as part of the learning process.

From the first post of this thread:

Note that in 2.4, you don't want to use [Flask of Mighty Restoration]. In 2.4 terms, given raid-buffed stats of 600 intellect, 715 spirit, assuming a 10-minute fight, and IDS, for a priest:

#1: [Flask of Distilled Wisdom] : 23 Mp5 I5SR, 56 Mp5 OO5SR
#2: [Flask of Mighty Restoration] : 25 Mp5 I5SR, 25 Mp5 OO5SR
#3: [Elixir of Healing Power] + [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] : +62 Healing S&E, 23Mp5 I5SR, 67 Mp5 OO5SR
#4: [Elixir of Mastery] + [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] : +18 Healing S&E, 40 Mp5 I5SR, 118 Mp5 OO5SR

I've been using [Flask of Distilled Wisdom] myself. Just wish they would let us buy those with marks.

ilkori · 04/27/08, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bjork

I can't see any reason for a priest to use the flask as one single elixir is better and cheaper.

While I completely agree under normal circumstances, a flask still wins out for poor priests while their guild is learning a fight and wiping often.

Incoherence · 04/27/08, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by ilkori

While I completely agree under normal circumstances, a flask still wins out for poor priests while their guild is learning a fight and wiping often.

I think I figured out once that for my server's prices, the breakpoint was about 8 wipes in 2 hours. Then again, Terocone prices have gone to hell since then, so that number's probably lower now.

Also, if Mal'Ganis ever gets the alchemy lab finished, one of the daily quests rewards [Bloodberry Elixir], which might help a bit.

Turgid · 04/27/08, 4:54 PM

I use healing power and draenic wisdom, even on wipe nights like a night full of Archimonde attempts. I might use 20-30 of each elixir, which is roughly about 110-125g on our server, depending on timing.

The cost of 2 Flasks of Mighty Restoration is a bit lower than that, but not all that much. And, I'm bringing much more 'oomph' in my healing/regen to each attempt.

jwhit81 · 04/28/08, 12:59 PM

Hey there. I've been addicted to this thread for the last two weeks. EJ has been such a huge resource for me in reinventing my style of play, etc. So thanks all!!

I'd like some feedback, if you have time!

My armory.

A WWS report of a Gorefiend fight from last night.

My current goals - feel free to let me know if you other suggestions.

Gown of Spiritual Wonder
Changing Royal Nightseye to Purified Shadow Pearls and Dazzling Talasites to Luminous Noble Topaz's.

I was also thinking of replacing Shining Chain of the Afterworld with Shattered Sun Pendant of Restoration.

My guild informed me that I must have 8500 unbuffed hp for BT, and that I should replace my PMC robe... so I'm doing what I can to make that happen. I've been substituting my PMC robe for the S1 robe with stam gems. Also, I've been using Crystalheart Pulse-Staff to boost my hp a bit. Am I heading down the right track?

The reason for the overhaul is that on several progression nights, I started to notice that my performance was really lacking and I felt embarrassed! I wanted to be much more reliable and consistent with my level of play. A part of the problem is that I have a feeling I won't be asked back on a progression night, unless I can prove to my officers that I am a valuable member of the team again. I had a bad run with Archimonde - we're still working on downing him - and was the first to die, twice. Also, after reviewing the WWS reports from those fights, I found that I really was just sucking it up.

So, like I said, I've changed everything, and I would like some feedback!

Thanks guys!

Let me also add that I use Elixir of Draenic Wisdom, Elixir of Mastery and Golden Fish Sticks, in addition to Superior Mana Oil and Spirit Scrolls if our DS priest isn't in the raid.

Psykal · 04/28/08, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by jwhit81

Let me also add that I use [Superior Mana Oil]

Have you considered [Brilliant Mana Oil] or even [Superior Wizard Oil] (pretty sure it counts for healing too)?

jwhit81 · 04/28/08, 1:48 PM

Hmmm - I haven't considered either of those before... but Brilliant Mana Oil looks good!

I was criticized for my regen.

So, anything to help!