Refering back to [Vial of the Sunwell] Vs. [Shard of the Scale]

Come on Blizzard, we do not pay you "developers" billions of dollars a year to duplicate the same item, where is the creativity?

Now the reason I'm actually posting, is the trinket from Zul'Aman, [Tome of Diabolic Remedy] is it a trinket I should be aiming to get, or should I keep passing it to the Holy Pallies in my runs?

I'm another priest who isn't a fan of +heal on click effects. I might not be the greatest at remembering to activate the kind of trinket anyways, but on top of that I prefer static and dependable values, rather than suddenly increased effects. I personally don't really see it as that useful on burst effects, and in my experience I'd say burst damage countering depends more on proper reaction, spell selection and cast-canceling than having more +heal available.

I'd consider both the [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon] and [Bangle of Endless Blessings] superior to it, [Redeemer's Alchemist Stone] obviously as well. The [Lower City Prayerbook] is a bit harder to make a choice for or against, but in general 'd prefer click effects involving mana returns over click effects with +healing spikes.

The tome as such is certainly a well balanced trinket, though less so since 2.4. Whether it is entirely worth it, really depends on your playstyle and the encounters.

As for where you can use the trinket to very good effect, some Zul'Aman examples: group healing through Malacrass's spirit bolts or Zul'Jin's lynx rush. At Malacrass and Zul'Jin, I use two on use trinkets, both of them activated by a macro that tries to invoke Inner Focus plus the trinkets. During other encounters, I use a macro for one of my more frequently used healing spells that activates the trinkets first, just to make sure they are used continuously.

These items are actually more usefull than static +bonus in cases where damage bursts are predictable.

Someone up said "well balanced trinket". Imo well-balanced must have healing bonus + chance/use with mana efficiency.

Im using [Redeemer's Alchemist Stone] and [item]Earring of Soulful Meditation[item] which is almost best trinket combo in game, both got +healing bonus and great mana effi burst. Planning change Earrning.. for [Memento of Tyrande]. Both Memento and Alchemist stone gonna be best trinket setup in my opinion.

Post-2.4, I would rate Earring of Soulful Meditation as the best overall trinket if not using the alchemist stones, simply due to the power of Spirit. Basically it averages as 50 Spirit + 66 Healing, which is generally seems better than Memento's 15 Mp5 (average) + 118 Healing in most cases.

The Redeemer's Alchemist Stone is easily the best in the game if you are chain-chugging pots, though.

So, I don't think you can go wrong with the Redeemer's Stone+Earring combo, which generally I think I would prefer to Stone+Memento. For non-alchemists, Earring+Memento is probably the best option. Earring+Blue Dragon is also a viable approach for pure regen purposes (on average, Blue Dragon is going to be worth 50-60 Mp5).

I wouldn't rate LCPB very high, simply because for average GH use it isn't really going to return all that much mana. With GH, it's going to clock in around 7 Mp5 or so on average.

As of the last couple versions I've been modeling trinkets in my spreadsheet, so if you want some averages on uptime/effects, you can check out the trinket worksheet and save yourself some calculator work.

For CoH Spamm I would prefer Eye of Gruul.

While I can't speak for most T6 bosses yet (Kaz'rogal should die tonight, and Rage and Anetheron aren't really worth mentioning for predictable burst dps), the only fights I can think of significant burst dps if done at the right level:

*Prince Malchezaar - Very high burst possible, but highly unpredictable over a fairly extended amount of time.
*Gruul - The damage potential scales predictably, but actual burst damage is quite random in timing.
*Magtheridon - Capable of a bit of burst on a less geared tank, but not really something which can be predicted.
*Hydross - Burst possible at mark 4, if highly random. Maybe somewhat predictable as it is a 15 second timeframe of being high burst potential.
*Tidalvess - High burst potential with Windfury, but totally unpredictable aside from being possible to occur while the mob is alive.
*Morogrim Tidewalker - Unpredictable, highly dependant on burst damage and MT healers being in watery graves.
*Nalorrak - Somewhat possible to predict by seeing when bleeds get applied, but only helps with buff during part of the bear phase. And not overly hard to heal through anyways as long as big heals are used.
Halazzi - most bursty fight in ZA, but again saberlash is highly unpredictable.

Recapping, most of the fights above (which comprises the content the original poster is likely to see in the near future) if they have burst damage have this damage of highly random nature. To deal with this, I'd say trinkets rarely help, and you are better off with proper application of castng and cancelling max rank heals.

And yeah, for CoH spamming situation, nothing really rivals the Eye of Gruul.

This is kind of a digression, but has anyone done Hyjal since 2.4? We went in there, and I put on my Blue Dragon card and my Earring of Soulful Meditation while under the effects of Jaina's Brilliance Aura, and when my Blue Dragon proc'd, and I popped my Earring, it was like having a constant Innervate.

Completely insane.

Not that this is a huge issue, but the Blackened Naaru Sliver is the melee DPS trinket. I'm pretty sure the one you're referring to in the original post is the Glimmering Naaru Sliver.

Although it is still terrible re: [Vial of the Sunwell] (1 min cooldown would make it much more attractive)

Two notes for people to remember (and why you may want to keep one for that rainy day/playing around)

1) As people have pointed out, casting this one won't break the 5SR.

2) The heal is usable while silenced. Which gives it some PVP and situational boss usage.

I could see it being somewhat interesting on fights like Azgalor or Archimonde where there is a potential risk of needing to heal the MT during a silence, otherwise it does seem mostly like a PvP trinket. However, the fact that you could use it to better abuse FSR mechanics could make it more viable if you time it well with other trinkets/abilities.

Probably not a super trinket, but still somewhat interesting for a handful of localized situations.

I'm trying to think of bosses where "on use" bonus healing trinkets would be useful. The Fel Rages on Gurtogg Bloodboil is one example that comes to mind - because of the Mortal Strike you basically have to funnel at much healing at the victim as you can. Enrages are another situation where you know ahead of time that the damage is going to increase. In most fights thought you might as well just macro the trinket to a spell you use frequently so you get the advantage of every cooldown. I'm not a big fan of them myself.

Prior to the 2.4 patch, Alchemist's Stone and Earring was my preferred trinket combo. I'm currently using the Redeemer's Alchemist stone with either the Earring or Blue Dragon card depending on the fight. (Obviously I don't have the Memento yet).

In Hyjal last week, I asked for an Innervate while standing next to Jaina and popped the Earring.

10375 mana per 5 seconds.

I think [Vial of the Sunwell] is actually quite nice if you macro it together with a PW:S. Maybe not on bosses but trash and pvp it's a nice compensation for not having an instant heal.

A quick question. Is there any addon that times how much time you spend OO5SR?

RegenFu (a plugin for FuBar) does this.

CasterWeaponSwapper does as well.

In response to the CoH/Sunwell discussion:-

As constantius says, it depends entirely on your strategy for each individual encounter.

Kalecgos:-

If you set out your groups so that they stand in a four point formation with melee behind, and appoint a central person to each group marked with a raid icon for ease of targetting on <insert raid frame of choice here> a CoH specced priest will be able to easily heal the arcane buffet.

If you set out the groups in anything other than four points, and start overlapping groups then of course CoH efficiency is going to be compromised and become less useful.

Brutallus:-

I agree, this fight isn't CoH friendly unless you've got spare priests to use CoH on the tank and his soaking group, assuming the tank is in the soaking group in the first place.

Felmyst:-

Again as with Kalec if you have very specific positioning, very specific people to land CoH on at all times, and the shadow priests and IDS priest handling mass-dispels CoH becomes incredibly useful, the fact that you can use it "on the run" makes it even better for keeping people topped up during the flight phase. I've tried to be intentionally vague here as the embargo hasn't lifted yet.

It's very much down to your individual guilds strategy as to whether your mileage with CoH varies or not. I think it's a feather in Blizzard raid team's cap that so many strategies can be used to great effect and yet the difficulty remains the same throughout each encounter.

O_o. Must be a human thing. I don't think i get anything close to that. What kind of +healing were you getting from IDS/Spiritual Healing?

I may be missing the finer semantics of the word 'burst' (sorry, not my mother tongue), but I always considered burst damage as damage that comes from time to time, is very high (at least much higher than the average damage), but not necessarily unpredictable. Example: Malacrass' sprit bolts are burst damage to me. Yet they are predictable.

As for the AOE situations, please consider the example I gave a few posts ago. At Malacrass and Zul'Jin phase 4, you do have group damage and at the same time need for very high HPS, else people die. You also need to hit people at the almost the same time, else they die. The use effect is a nice buff in these situations, and not only so for efficiency reasons.

Personal preferences aside: why do on-use mana regen effects involve less micro-managing than +heal effects? Either you can actually plan ahead and know whats going to happen or you don't. Let's say you invoke a +willpower trinket. Unfortunately, the tank has bad avoidance luck, a DD gets unexpected damage, so you need to cast and there goes the majority of your regen effect. Isn't this really a case of personal taste? Or do you argue this way because you think "not casting phases" are more predictable than "burst casting" phases?

This is a classic case where on-use trinkets rule. Phase 2 has a very high HPS requirement, but most viable tactics will aim to bring the boss out of phase 3 as fast as possible. We generally bring him out of it in under 40 seconds. The badge trinket gives you +297 healing boost when you most need it. I.e. for 20 out of the 40 seconds of phase 2. Having 50 extra healing in phase 1 and phase 3 is neither here nor there, but that extra 300+healing during phase 2 go a long way.

Same with nightbane. That +300 healing during the flight phase, where nighbane hits you upside the head with smoking blasts and binding heals/PoM spam is the order of the day, the extra healing makes a huge difference an extra 50 healing throughout the rest of the fight is neither here nor there.

Another fight where on use trinkies shine. Right after EQ as soon as mulroks are engaged and AoE begins, you have no chance of pulling aggro, so I generally fade, pop my trinket and start healing with PoH/CoH. I generally get 5-6 casts per 10 seconds this way, which is way more than 3-4 casts per 10 seconds I get during the normal phases. I also use spells which benefit from more than 100% of my +healing, CoH = 5*24.7% (10% bonus from spi healing), PoH = 5*35%, PoM = 5*42%. This way the benefit of that 300+healing is concentrated into many casts that use it with very high efficiency. I easily squeeze 4-5k more healing of each trinket proc this way. No way you could get that much from a static trinket.

On use trinkets are very usefull throughout ZA, exactly because the fights have brief high HPS periods. An example is Jan'alai, when he enranges at 50%. This is a super time to pop your trinket as you will be spamming high heals on the tank with high priority and the DPS will now go apeshit on his arse since all the adds are down, so this stage wont last long.

Other times to use these trinkets is when you are about to do a PoH/CoH/PoM combo. I sometimes pop this tirnket on high HPS fights, when I am going to use a clearcasting/inner focus proc, because I can delay casting for an extra second and then use a lower rank to race up the damage after the big heals consume clearcasting and inner focus. This allows me to squeeze more FSR time out of my inner focus/pom, while using the trinket for its full effect to maintain high HP/sec output despite the delay in casting.

Although mini-bursts (i.e. a windfury proc on the shaman boss in karathress) or gruul getting a massive crush on the tank are not conducing to using this trinket, there are many situations throughout all raid instances, where a boss goes into a high DPS mode for a brief or even extended period of time, or the whole raid takes a large amount of damage. It is during these brief periods that these trinkets carry their weight, by giving you a decent HPS boost, at a time when you need it the most. Burst healing is characterised by high frequency of high powered spells and this is where your use your +healing to its full effect. Just do the following calculation. 2min 40 secs of spamming rank 1 gheal with -50+healing and 20 seconds of spaming rank 6 gheal with +300 healing versus 2min 40 secs of spamming rank 1 gheal and 20 seconds of spaming rank 7 gheal with a static +50 healing bonus. You will see that it only takes an average mana efficiency of 7.5:1 for the on use trinket to come on top.

I've never liked +heal trinkets. Mostly because you have to use them at times when you have to be healing, whereas you can use regen clickies at times when you have a brief break. It just kind of flows naturally - gap in damage, click the earring, activate IF, wait as long as possible before healing. Burst damage - just heal.

It's mostly just a personal preference thing though.

"+heal on use" -style may have their uses, but they can't be used everywhere. Luckily, we are not stuck with only 1 set ot items now are we? Personally, my default trinket is [Alchemist's Stone] (basic, haven't got enough reputation for upgrade). But, all [Alchemist's Stone] provides is regen. Sometimes I don't need that, so I'll switch it out to [Essence of the Martyr]. Example of a boss where "+healing on use" trinket would be of use is The Floating Head Boss in BT. Especially if your dps is bit low that day, and Phase 3 drags out.

If you think "+healing on use" is useful, then by all means use it. I'd advice to put some more balanced trinket for fights where you don't need it. Only problem here is, decent "all-round" trinkets are only found from BWL's dragon trio, Lurker Below and Illidan. Redeemer's Alchemist's stone excluded, of course.

You use "+healing on use" -trinkets for burst/heavy damage, right? Most such trinkets have a 2 minute cooldown. The real question is, however: what will you do if the situation repeats itself in less than 2 minutes? You have lost all the advantage you gain from the trinket, and it's useless. A "passive" trinket would have however helped you there, no matter how many times the heavy damage repeated itself. Is the risk worth taking, and if the situation repeats itself was it worth to use the cooldown on one of the situations and not the other?

Same applies to [Vial of the Sunwell]. Is twenty heals with no bonus to +healing effects worth a single 2k heal? If you use this trinket for emergency situations where you don't have time to think or react otherwise, the number of heals with no +heal bonus may rise very, very high. You may never even need to use this trinket.