How I use Grid and mouseover macros....sorry for the cross post from the hardware thread
Currently using new newer [Logitech G5 Laser Mouse] and not sure I need to have much more at my fingertips.
Playing a holy priest atm and have 9 spells bound to my mouse all with a one button push to cast using Grid and mouseover macros.
Greater Heal 1 - left tilt mouse wheel
Greater Heal 3 - right tilt mouse wheel
Greater Heal 7 - move wheel back
Flash Heal - move wheel forward
Renew - push wheel down
PoM - back left side button
Dispel Magic or Remove Disease - front left side button
Prayer of Healing - first button behind the wheel
Binding Heal - second button behind the wheel
not sure their is a efficient setup for healing in my book....if so I am willing to change
also using Clique to bind offensive spells to the mouse to cast on enemies only and [Fang Gamepad] on my left had for a few keybinds and movement.
mh I prefer to use the mouse plain and just modifiers. as mouseover I use clique, because its very convenient to config, and you can enable it only for the desired unitframe (being grid in my case).
bindings would be
left click - target
right click - pws
shift left click - CoH
right left click - flash
alt left c - binding heal
alt right c - renew
strg left - cure Disease
strg right - dispel
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I don't like downranking much, I use stopcasting a lot, and prefer to have a big heal ready in case I need it and let the renew tick. I also use the keyboard a lot, but usually only if assigned to MT heal, the raid is done using GRID.
1 - renew
2 - target MT / PoM if possible
3 - PoM
4 - flash
5 - gheal
6 - stopcasting plain. I know it's awkward, but sometimes I need it plain for whatever reasons^^
shift 1 - prayer of healing
shift 2 - variable (shackle focus mostly)
shift 3 - binding heal
shift 4 - CoH (0_o I admit I did not use that key for a while^^)
shift 5 - mass dispel
my UI is basically cr_viewport , GRID centered, bars around, and a nice wide empty screen to avoid the tunnel^^
A UI question here. Does anyone know if there is a UI out there that can display multiple sources of aggro on the tank? Main tank target is of limited value since high end raiding is more and more about crowd tanking these days, particularily on a fight like M'uru.
You might argue that it's easier to just visually confirm the amount of mobs being picked up at any time, but it is a distraction from my attention at times. I guess you would need an interface with something like "Target#1 that has aggro on your selected target" "Target#2 that has aggro on your selected target" etc. etc. Maybe mated with the /focus function it would perhaps work if Blizzard has made this type of data available. Or an enhanced Oru2 MT display that lets you swap 'MT T' out with 'MT aggro source' instead and a stacked function that allows multiple rows of sourceframes to be displayed instead of just one.
A bit OT here perhaps, but potentially a valuable UI for us priests if it exists. You could actually enhance this line of coding to be visual on your standard raidframes as well. Simply by adding different color-flashes to players that has gained aggro from multiple sources(crazy warlocks and mages comes to mind).
Use Omen on multi-target. You can easily see the mobs that you're in combat with and their threat on various targets.
It's as close as you're going to get as a tracker, unless someone really wants to do a live scan of in-combat mobs and list them all along with their current target. You could probably mod Omen to pull that particular information out and display it in some kind of informative box.
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein
The last time I dabbled with any code was Basic on my Commodore 64 :|
Thanks for the tip on using Omen though, I tend to just have it passive on 1target mode and use pitbull for aggro alerts. Gambling with GC for raid healing and incoming dmg on MT remains my biggest challenge on upping HPS on M'uru without watching my assigned tank die - I think a visual comfirmation on active mobs/CC mobs around my tank beats staring at Omen in this case.
Fair enough, and I suppose at the end of the day it has most to do with what you're comfortable with. I do have a question though: did you start off with mouseover macros pretty early on or did you only start adopting them when you found the need to monitor multiple targets or to do one-click dispelling?
I'm still inclined to think that for someone who has no prior experience or adaptation to one particular method vs. another, the chances of them becoming a keyboard-turning, unaware healer are much higher if they start out with the Grid/Clique combo than if they didn't, if only simply because the Grid/Clique combo encourages (rewards?) people to be lazy. I also maintain that for dispelling in 2s, you're much better off if you just have separate keybinds for dispel self, dispel teammate, dispel target, and dispel focus. Hitting a key is still faster than clicking on a specific spot on the screen.
I started using them in patch 2.1
I have a keybind for dispel target and self, but I find it much easier to dispel targets on the screen, since I am looking there anyway. I dont always look at the raid frames when I PvP and very often I use target of target for dispel, when I see a mob or player cast a dispellable ability. So even though I have them a rarely use them (xpt the dispel self one), because the mouseover method is more effective.
Just a FYI, but I found out my Illidan mace procced Inspiration today.
On a side note... this is only sort of related, but noticing the discussion above.... Anyone recommend a good mouse to get? I am currently using a two-button mouse (that has a wheel, which is clickable to function as a third button).
If you can find one, the best mouse I've ever used is a Logitech MX 1000. Unfortunately, they have been discontinued in favor of some new piece of crap that's not even half as good. I guess they didn't realize what a great piece of equipment they had made. Note that I'm referring to the laser version, not the Bluetooth -- I've heard the Bluetooth has some communication issues.
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein
If you can find one, the best mouse I've ever used is a Logitech MX 1000. Unfortunately, they have been discontinued in favor of some new piece of crap that's not even half as good. I guess they didn't realize what a great piece of equipment they had made. Note that I'm referring to the laser version, not the Bluetooth -- I've heard the Bluetooth has some communication issues.
It did, but not all afaik, might be limited to specific models. Tbh I never liked wireless mice due to them always running out of batteries with bad timing, but with a docking station it's doable
Myself I'm now using the G5 now and like it alot, supersmooth, and lots of buttons (altho I personally hate binding critical stuff to the mouse wheel or buttons beneath it).
I'm using the G7 currently. While it doesn't have as many buttons available for mapping, it's a solid mouse. I had the MX 1000, but the laser came unseated in the mouse somehow and by the time I brought it back to replace it the line had been discontinued. If you're looking for a solid wireless mouse, the G7 is definitely a good buy. No battery issues either, because the docking station only docks a battery, and the mouse comes with 2 so that one is always charged and ready to go. No one wants their mouse to die in Sunwell!
I do have a gear question however. My trinkets are currently on a cycle of Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Earring of Soulful Meditation and Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. Which 2 do you guys think would be most effective for a boss like Brutallus? I've been using Redeemer's+Blue Dragon, due to the fact that I can't see many opportunities to abuse the OO5SR, but I'd like some opinions to back up my decision.
I do have a gear question however. My trinkets are currently on a cycle of Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Earring of Soulful Meditation and Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. Which 2 do you guys think would be most effective for a boss like Brutallus? I've been using Redeemer's+Blue Dragon, due to the fact that I can't see many opportunities to abuse the OO5SR, but I'd like some opinions to back up my decision.
I use the same thing on brutallus and it's been working very nicely for me. Only problem is when you dont get any procs, your standing there praying for an innervate. We've only had one memento drop sadly, and im second in line on the next one :S The only time I could see the earing as uselful is when running to the burn location, but raid buffed you should be over 1k mp5 OO5SR anyhow. Personally I'd rather have something to give me boosts while in the middle of bombing Gheals than something that is only situationally useful.
Just a FYI, but I found out my Illidan mace procced Inspiration today.
On a side note... this is only sort of related, but noticing the discussion above.... Anyone recommend a good mouse to get? I am currently using a two-button mouse (that has a wheel, which is clickable to function as a third button).
Starfire,
I am currently using a Logitech MX 518, I find the mouse buttons on the side of the mouse (accessible via my thumb) to be crucial to raiding.
I do have a gear question however. My trinkets are currently on a cycle of Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Earring of Soulful Meditation and Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. Which 2 do you guys think would be most effective for a boss like Brutallus? I've been using Redeemer's+Blue Dragon, due to the fact that I can't see many opportunities to abuse the OO5SR, but I'd like some opinions to back up my decision.
Dyslexic, just thought I would mention my experience on Brutallus with trinkets (since I had no darkmoon card, or no earring).
If you use Redeemer's and Blue Dragon you gain nothing if it does not proc the entire fight, but if it does you are laughing (even more with a double proc). If you have WWS or some way of determining how many times it has proc'd for you then I would monitor it using that. If you find it is rarely proc'ing you may as well stick with using the Earring/Alchemy Stone that way you are at least getting something out of your one trinket slot, and not just praying for a proc.
I'm using the G7 currently. While it doesn't have as many buttons available for mapping, it's a solid mouse. I had the MX 1000, but the laser came unseated in the mouse somehow and by the time I brought it back to replace it the line had been discontinued. If you're looking for a solid wireless mouse, the G7 is definitely a good buy. No battery issues either, because the docking station only docks a battery, and the mouse comes with 2 so that one is always charged and ready to go. No one wants their mouse to die in Sunwell!
I do have a gear question however. My trinkets are currently on a cycle of Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Earring of Soulful Meditation and Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. Which 2 do you guys think would be most effective for a boss like Brutallus? I've been using Redeemer's+Blue Dragon, due to the fact that I can't see many opportunities to abuse the OO5SR, but I'd like some opinions to back up my decision.
I'd gamble with the 6% clearcasting chance rather than the 2% blue dragon chance. Clearcast pop Earrings. Worst case you can use the earrings on a stomp for a little extra healing OR you can use your earrings the up your +damage a little to increase your shadowfiend's mana return.
Dyslexic, just thought I would mention my experience on Brutallus with trinkets (since I had no darkmoon card, or no earring).
If you use Redeemer's and Blue Dragon you gain nothing if it does not proc the entire fight, but if it does you are laughing (even more with a double proc). If you have WWS or some way of determining how many times it has proc'd for you then I would monitor it using that. If you find it is rarely proc'ing you may as well stick with using the Earring/Alchemy Stone that way you are at least getting something out of your one trinket slot, and not just praying for a proc.
Looking at the WWS logs from a night of about 18 Brut attempts where I experimented with using the Blue Dragon, I got a total of 22 procs over those 18 attempts. I haven't actually gone through every attempt to see if it worked out to 1 proc per attempt (plus some lucky ones where I got 2) or if it was slightly more erratic than that.
One should be able to reasonably expect, though, that you'll get at least one proc in the course of 6 full minutes of GHeal spam.
Edit: My issue with Clearcast procs on a GH spamming fight is that I'm usually already halfway through my next cast when I see clearcast proccing. Not to mention that waiting for a clearcast proc before I pop Inner Focus and Earring basically means that I won't actually get to use the trinket an optimal number of times. (I suppose you could force yourself to do something like: always pop the trinket 30s or 1 minute into the fight to guarantee at least the first use, and then save the second use for a clearcast proc).
People seem so obsessed with the Blue dragon trinket, am I missing something? I've been using the Bangle ever since I got it, paired with an Alch's stone. I won't have the option of Memento anytime soon (at least 5 healers with more dkp than me) and have been tempted to buy or farm the deck but when I look at it it just seems plain worse than Bangle.
2% proc, even if I assume a pretty optimistic 30 casts/minute (I'm not CoH mind you), that still is a procrate about equal to the Bangle for the same regen effect (15 sec 15% extra). CoH priests might cast more and procwhise the Blue dragon might look better for them (assuming alot of casts!), but the Bangle also has a nice spirit buff to abuse during Clearcasting procs or IF making it way better in my view. What am I missing???
2% proc, even if I assume a pretty optimistic 30 casts/minute (I'm not CoH mind you), that still is a procrate about equal to the Bangle for the same regen effect (15 sec 15% extra). CoH priests might cast more and procwhise the Blue dragon might look better for them (assuming alot of casts!), but the Bangle also has a nice spirit buff to abuse during Clearcasting procs or IF making it way better in my view. What am I missing???
Well for starters the Blue Dragon card is 100% regen, not 15%. The proc chance is much much lower than Bangle's, but it doesn't have an internal cooldown (and it procs per cast, not per hit, so other than the fact that CoH is spammable each GCD it's not of note here). 100% regen for 15s when paired with the Earring can easily give in excess of 3000 mana, and probably closer to 4000 when in BT/Sunwell gear.
With all that said, I've been waiting to see the Ace of Beasts up on the AH for over a year, and actually gone back and run UBRS a few times to try for it. Unless you feel like farming UBRS I wouldn't suggest planning on trying to make the deck.
Well for starters the Blue Dragon card is 100% regen, not 15%. The proc chance is much much lower than Bangle's, but it doesn't have an internal cooldown (and it procs per cast, not per hit, so other than the fact that CoH is spammable each GCD it's not of note here). 100% regen for 15s when paired with the Earring can easily give in excess of 3000 mana, and probably closer to 4000 when in BT/Sunwell gear.
With all that said, I've been waiting to see the Ace of Beasts up on the AH for over a year, and actually gone back and run UBRS a few times to try for it. Unless you feel like farming UBRS I wouldn't suggest planning on trying to make the deck.
Oh damn I totally missed the 100% regen instead of 15%.... my mistake sorry.
In that case, it seems better, altho with some tricks the 150 spi from Bangle combined with the effect can't be much worse (raidbuffed I'm usually sitting over 1k OO5SR mp5). Nevertheless an upgrade is an upgrade, I might get bored and since I have a good geared rogue alt who can easily farm the beast a bit, I might give it a try (haven't seen the Ace on AH as well for months). Now that I think of it I'm not sure I can get past the Emberseer spawnpoint; do you still need 3 people to activate it?
Didn't realize anyone actually cared about that stuff; ya, I'll put a "gear build for scrub alts" back into the original guide. Sometime this afternoon.
[e] Guide in place. If you have suggestions for better options for alt gear, let me know. The current list basically takes 561 badges and some honor grinding, plus a couple of drops. Everyone has 561 badges on their alt, right ... ?
Last edited by constantius : 07/23/08 at 3:07 PM.
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein
If you have resto shamans, 3 CoH priests is ridiculous overkill, and you should probably buff all the priests/druids/casters with IDS. Especially since giving priests IDS means you then don't have to give them any other buffs** whatsoever.
If we ran 3 priests consistently, I'd be IDS. For a while when we had 3 priests in raids, I was.
** where buffs = raid synergy buffs = VT, Mana Spring, Mana Tide
Last edited by constantius : 07/24/08 at 7:30 PM.
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein
I do have a gear question however. My trinkets are currently on a cycle of Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Earring of Soulful Meditation and Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. Which 2 do you guys think would be most effective for a boss like Brutallus? I've been using Redeemer's+Blue Dragon, due to the fact that I can't see many opportunities to abuse the OO5SR, but I'd like some opinions to back up my decision.
Except for the one night when I had a shadow priest in my group (we had 3 SPs in the raid) I've always used the Blue Dragon card on Brutallys and I've been pretty happy with it. The proc rate creates a lot of variability from attempt to attempt, but you could probably expect it to proc 1-3 times over the duration of the fight.
The comparison with the other regular priest in the guild has been interesting. I use both the Blue Dragon card and the Avatar 2pc bonus on Brutallus, and get through the fight with pots, shadowfiend, and sometimes the occasional Dark Rune. The other holy priest doesn't have the trinket or the Avatar bonus and usually needs an Innervate to get to the end of the fight.
Re: Blue Dragon vs. Bangle - I think it's worth noting that Const's OP in this thread has a pretty good analysis of their effects (bolded for emphasis):
[Bangle of Endless Blessings]: the proc effect on this trinket is worth ~ 80-120 Mp5 depending on your spirit/intellect totals, and assuming 1 ppm, this is an overall 25 Mp5. The Use Effect is worth an additional 185 Mp5 OO5SR, so if you can get a 15 second break, each Use is worth 550 mana. Overall, assuming breaks, a solid 48 Mp5; an excellent option for those who do not have access to some of the above trinkets.
[Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon]: due to low proc rate this trinket's effectiveness can vary dramatically, but overall (depending on gear) this trinket can be worth ~ 90 Mp5. Last tests done on this trinket showed it to be approximately 0.5 ppm, which given the current T6-gearing levels, makes it exceptionally strong as a regeneration trinket (Best-in-Slot, actually, if what you want is regen). As a note, at my current levels of gearing, an activation of this trinket is worth somewhere in the vicinity of 2900 mana, or as much as the top-end on a Super Mana potion.
While I personally am not a huge fan of either trinket, I did recently spend 1500g to pick it up (lucky me for seeing it on the AH during the Faire!) so that I could gear slightly more aggressively for throughput and swap this trinket in on fights where I need the mana. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect it to proc about once per fight, and the fact that you have no control over when the procs happen is both an annoyance and a boon (one less cooldown to manage, but the procs may not happen at ideal times).
07/19/08, 11:48 AM
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