pindle

I have the feeling that info is a bit outdated as both Blue dragon's PPM are said to be higher (1 ppm am I wrong?) and for the Bangle, with typical raidbuffs (not maxed even) my Bangle procs gain me at least an extra 125 mp5 while casting. Still the difference isn't too big, indeed it seems with the Bangle you have some freedom of regen time (e.g. you can use Clearcasting and IF to ensure 10-15+ sec OO5SR) but requires managing that, the BD is just "equip and forget", well maybe pray for alot of procs.

Well can't solo farm anyway as UBRS still requires 3 people to open the door, might pick it up if I see it on AH tho (fat chance...) and give it a try.

 

Liriel

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Isin

The only thing I disagree with on this list is:

The Hood has terrible stats for a priest, and the lack of a meta gem slot makes the Hood even less attractive. The [Insightful Earthstorm Diamond] has a proc that's worth about 25 mp5, not even counting the 14 int.

 

Incoherence

Kings, of course.

 

moink

From the original post in this thread:

This is raid-buffed with full consumables I assume. Is this value still the benchmark, post 2.4?

I'm in the middle of T5 content and have 2159 +heal and 267mp5 I5SR fully raid-buffed (which for me means elixirs of draenic wisdom and mastery). I really don't see how 380 mp5 is reasonable.

It's true that I have been unlucky with drops, but I have a lot of badge gear. My gem decisions are a bit scattered since I changed my stat-weightings and now value the sapphires more than the spinels. But I don't see how I could have achieved those targets, even with different gem choices, unless I went entirely mp5 gems over spirit, which we all agree is a bad idea.

 

• constantius

The implication was *raid-buffs*, not static buffs. Of course you're going to have AI and BoK: there's almost never a 25-man situation where you *won't*.

I was referring to Mana Spring, Mana Tide, and VT, the the "big deals" in raid-buffs and synergy for holy priests. If you have IDS, you should never need any of the three to sustain your healing through any content in the game. You can do it without IDS even, although it does tend to require spamming mana pots like a madman, or running more healer heavy than I'm used to.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

• constantius

You're welcome to think the Hood has terrible stats for a priest, but the fact of the matter is, it's still comparable to T4.

Put a [Teardrop Crimson Spinel], a [Luminous Pyrestone] and a [Purified Shadowsong Amethyst] into the Hood. Totals:
Stam: 36
Int: 45
Spi: 5
Healing: 135
Mp5: 17

vs T4, which has (factoring IED as 12 int + 25 Mp5) and using a [Purified Shadowsong Amethyst]:
Stam: 28
Int: 46
Spi: 30
Healing: 102
Mp5: 43 Mp5 (18 + proc from IED)

Ignoring the IED proc makes it a 33 healing difference for 1 Mp5. If you count the proc as 25 Mp5, then you're obviously gaining a reasonable amount of regen for the loss of 33 Healing; they're comparable helms, though. They have the same *static* I5SR regen (T4 has more OO5SR from the spirit) with Hood taking the lead in pure healing. If you socketed Hood with 3xSpinels and T4 with a [Sparkling Empyrean Sapphire] you'd have a perfect "regen" hat and a perfect "healing" hat.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

• constantius

You have (unbuffed) 522 intellect, 527 spirit, 2000 healing and 49 static Mp5.
Raid buffs are:
- GotW (19 all stats)
- BoK
- BoW
- AI
- Draenic Elixir and Elixir of Healing Power
- Golden Fishsticks
- Superior Mana Oil
- either Divine Spirit (50) or a Spirit Scroll V (30)

taking your totals up to:
Intellect: (522+40+30+19)*1.1 = 672
Spirit: (527/1.05 +19+30+20+30)*1.05*1.1 = 694
Mp5: 49+16+49+839*.3 = 366 Mp5
Healing: 2000-527*.25 + 50+44+694*.25 = 2136

So you have 2135 Healing and 366 Mp5. That's pretty close to the numbers I listed. If you gemmed slightly more aggressively toward regen, you could easily match them exactly, but that's hardly the point.

Basically ... you need to rethink your definition of "raid-buffed". Raid buffed means 3 paladin blessings, 2 elixirs, oil, food, and possibly a scroll, with the obvious buffs like AI, GotW, PW:F assumed to be there as a matter of course. If you want to really min-max, you should also be using [Kreeg's Stout Beatdown].

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

moink

Thank you Constantius. If anyone else is using Jayde's spreadsheet, it calculates buffed mp5 incorrectly, and significantly so. Either that, or I didn't understand the stat entry procedure properly. It also has an incorrect stat increase of 18 for GotW, rather than the correct 19.

Superior mana oil is 14 mp5, not 16. Making that change and replacing the spirit scroll with DS and the elixir of healing power with elixir of mastery, I get a more respectable value of 2117 heal, 393 mp5. Maybe I should actually look at my mp5 stat while raid-buffed in game; the problem is that i like to theorycraft at work and play at home.

 

Isin

If I recall, Jayde's spreadsheet does not calculate Blessing of Kings, because of the problem with circular references in Excel. You have to fill in those values manually on the second tab.

 

moink

Thanks, but the version I have appears to correctly calculate Blessing of Kings, as well as the other multiplier effects Spirit of Redemption and The Human Spirit (which, of course, I have turned off).

It's a little confusing because it includes approximated IED procs, shadowfiends, and mana pots (and a shadow priest and/or shaman in your group) in the mp5 field. So there's really no field in the spreadsheet to report the mp5 you'd see on your character sheet while raid-buffed. Which, again, I should be able to get by just looking at my character sheet in a raid, but I didn't happen to have on me to compare with the targets.

Have the targets changed at all with badge gear? I'm ahead of the "end of T5 content" benchmark, with only a single piece of gear from that level of content equipped (the earring). I'm assuming not; if you could do it at that gear level pre-badge gear, we should be able to do it now. I guess what this means is that characters can skip SSC/TK and go straight from running Kara multiple times for badges to Hyjal/BT. And that there's no excuse whatsoever for my guild to have not downed Naj'entus (and Vashj and Kael) at this point.

 

• constantius

I'm just leaving the benchmarks in because they're literally back-of-the-envelope estimates.

I mean, the following badge items are halfway between T5 and T6: chest, bracers, gloves, legs, boots, ring.

When I was raiding SSC, none of that stuff was available: it was much much harder to fill out a full set, and when you did, it was roughly what those numbers are. If you get the badge gear, you can easily surpass the benchmarks. They're just intended for "well, you *should* be close to this by the time you do <x>". If you're at the end-of-T5 numbers while still *IN* T5, you're ahead of the game.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

uh...ok

I did a quick search for [Blessed Weapon Coating] and surprisingly found no references to it in this thread. What weapon oil are most folks using in Sunwell?

My preliminary guess would probably rank [Brilliant Mana Oil] highest, while the other two are roughly equal.

On a recent Brutallus kill, I got 7 Blessedness procs for a total of 1155 mana, which is effectively 16mp5. Looking through past Brutallus kills, I almost always got 6-7 procs per fight, so one should be able to reasonably expect about 1ppm from this weapon oil (13.75mp5). So it does indeed look equivalent to [Superior Mana Oil], though it slightly edges out and wins if you get a "lucky" extra proc.

So I guess the conclusion would be: use [Brilliant Mana Oil] if you can afford it and want to min/max the best, but otherwise use [Blessed Weapon Coating] because it's "free".

 

Mags

Blessed Weapon Coating and Bloodberry Elixirs don't bind so you can pick them up dirt cheap (under 1 gold each on Aman'Thul) at the auction house if you can't be bothered doing the quests. Bloodberry Elixirs persist through death like flasks so I find them an attractive option, at least for the Sunwell content I've done so far (up to learning Twins).

 

Kellyz

So, I have read about 40/51 pages of this forums. Very useful stuff. However, Teaspoonz my holy priest on Kul Tiras (feel free to check the link out) Apparently I'm not healing as well as I should be. I don't know why.

I've downranked my gheal to rank 3 and kept my flash heal to rank 9. I renew tanks, i coh whenever a group has 3 people down on health. I try to only use gheal on the tanks. I've been mainly using flash heals, but I am working on making myself use the gheals. Problem is with using gheals is that by the time the spell completes, someone else has already healed that person to full.

I almost never stop healing unless theres no need to heal or I need to regenerate my mana. I have even created /stopcasting. The addons I use is xperl (i dont like grid and i think they do the same thing anyways) and decursive. And yet... a priest in t5 is kicking my priest's t6 ass to the curb.

I'm always striving to improve but for once I am at loss and not really finding any more fresh ideas through the forums.

 

Lambi

Are you optimizing your prayer of mending usage? Are you reactive healing or do you anticipate incoming damage? Do you also check that your CoH is reaching all the targets? Do you understand how to use binding heal? How much do you use power word: shield? Haste is your best friend vs overhealing, it scales extremely well with CoH and you can afford to make more mistakes.

What fights are you getting your ass kicked at?

 

Vihermaali

Lambi has good points, but I'd like to add a few:

Only, and I mean only reason to downrank heal is to save mana. And you save mana only because you are in danger of running out of mana.

All priest healing spells (Except "lesser heal", "heal", "holy nova" and "lightwell") have their uses. Use them! Don't just limit yourself to Flash and Greater heal.

This goes into territory of personal preference, but I believe benefit of using /stopcasting -macros is very small compared to dangers. I've used /stopcasting macros in past, but stopped using them because of their unreliability. In almost 50% of the cases using /stopcasting did not stop my current spellcast.

 

Kellyz

I abuse my pom,love it. I'm a reactive healer, if i see the healthbar drop, i heal it up. I've never used binding heal actually, never could get used to it. I almost never use pw:s - more concerned about healing because of healing meter. I don't even have improved pw:s

Do you think I should change some of my gems around to pick up some haste? I've been told that haste wasnt good unless i had ALOT of haste. Now, I'm not certain how much haste would be ok to start with, and to give up +healing for haste :-/ i'm at 2,200 healing. I do have a haste belt that doesn't have any spirit on it. -- [Angelista's Sash] but i am using [Belt of Divine Guidance] instead due to the spirit.


I didn't have any problems with mana but the other priests in the guild told me to downrank so I did. I think you may be right about the /stopcasting but for a different reason. It seems that stopcasting is making me heal less effectively. It would be better to overheal than not to heal.

 

Lambi

After checking Teaspoonz gear I've noticed you're not gemming very well. You're overusing red pure healing gems even when you don't get the socketbonus, when haste gems outperforms them in raw output by far. Follow the socketbonuses you like, socket for as much regen as you feel you need and then go for pure haste when possible.

Start using binding heal for EVERY time you're taking damage yourself. Force yourself not to flash heal yourself since you'll always have someone else to heal at the same time and binding heal does more than twice the healing of flash heal, is alot cheaper then 2 flash heals and is twice as fast to do than 2 flash heals.

Try anticipating damage incomes and start your heals before the target takes damage. This will result in minimum overheal (overheal is only bad if you don't have the mana for it, or if you heal someone on 100% when someone else needs healing), play with atleast 2, preferably 3 ranks of greater heal and try timing them for appropriate damage income.

Also if you're a reactive healer you'll see that haste will get very very good since it minimizes the times when others heal the targets before you.

Get alchemy as a profession, the redeemers alchemist's stone is too good not to have.

 

• constantius

Use a modifier macro to tie Binding Heal to the same keybind as your Flash Heal. That's how I trained myself to use it more often in TBC. Alt+5 = Binding, 5 = Flash.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

Kellyz

Edit: I tried to use alt instead of shift, but it just keeps scrolling my action bar to another bar.

 

• Valoran

Go to the key-bindings menu from the options dialog and unbind the keys to shift action bar. For example, if you have flash on 5 as const, unbind alt-5. This should free up the key-bind so a modification macro can work (or you could just bind alt-5 to binding heal).

 

Xaphania

edited because I don't see a delete option (post no longer relevant )

 

the_nell_87

Greetings, fellow priests! I'm just starting to raid on my holy priest, and wanted some opinions on flasks/elixirs.
In the first post, it seems that Elixir of Healing Power + Elixir of Draenic Wisdom is the better option. Is this the case? Looking as lists of all flasks and elixirs available (on WoWWiki) there doesn't seem to be any flask or combination of elixirs which is better for a holy priest.

Flask of Mighty restoration - seems very lacklustre, and from theorycrafting on first post, doesn't give as much regen as:
Flask of Distilled wisdom - also seems a bit lacklustre at first glance, but according to the TC, it gives great regen.
Healing power + draenic wisdom - according to TC gives better regen than flask of distilled wisdom, PLUS gives 62 healing.
Healing power + major mageblood - well, I assume that draenic wisdom gives much better regen than this.

Those really seem like the only options. Is there something I'm missing? Or are we expected to go out and buy a couple of stacks of elixirs before every raid?

 

Incoherence

Mastery/Draenic Wisdom is the best for regen, and Healing Power/Draenic Wisdom if you don't feel like Mastery is worth it (although at a Sunwell level, [Bloodberry Elixir] is a Mastery Elixir that lasts through death).

But to be perfectly honest, the price difference between elixirs and flasks is overstated. You're posting from your mage, so I don't know what your priest's reputations look like, but given your mage's reputations you can't use [Mark of the Illidari] anyway, so I suspect you'll find that you need to die ~8 times in 2 hours to make a flask more cost-effective than two elixirs, and that doesn't even count the savings from not using them during trash clears. So for a lot of farm or near-farm content, it's actually more cost-effective.