The topic of hybrid specs has been brought up earlier but I would like to quickly retouch on it. My origonal plan at 80 was to go for a 46/25 hybrid spec Wowhead

After reading this thread am I safe to assume that it would be contradictory in nature? The reason spirit is good for holy is because holy is able to cheat the 5sr enough to have the full regen. Going fairly deep disc but enough in holy for the 2 talents to modify spirit is not worth giving up borrowed time and penence to modify a stat that is not extremly helpful.

The other thing is, much of the discussion surrounding SoL and trinkets with procs in this thread are based on CoH spamming, but due to blizz's upcoming changes to CoH and WG (the 6sec CD) doesn't that make much of the discusion null?

Sounds like a nerf is incoming for that trinket

Regarding regen, it's really fine when you get lvl 80 gear. I'm over 1500/560 mp5 raidbuffed and already have 10% haste + 20% crit. That's with only one lvl 70 item left (head, CBA geming and enchanting unless it's clear upgrade).

I gear purely for regen (intel/spirit) and take haste as "second stat" after that, pretty much exactly the same thinking as I had on lvl 70 just that Intellect is a lot better obviously and that I don't have that good regen yet compared to spell cost. Crit is to me not a good stat for regen, as I don't casts that many Greater Heals for it to make a big difference. Only bossfight I really go deep in my manapool is Sartharion and a clearcast proc is not going to make any huge difference there. Rather have haste for increased throughput on PoH/CoH.

As Blizzard still haven't announced any changes to CoH, it's impossible to say how gearing will look like in the future. The throughput on CoH is so good even with moderate SP, that my feeling is that stacking regen is by far the best way to get best raid performance.

You really can't skip some points in Enlightenment (which I do think you're downplaying a little bit) in order to get Penance, as it's a 50 point talent. But, yes, you're right -- Penance is amazing.

As the only Holy Priest in our guild during the transition to Wrath, I've decided to try my hand at Discipline. In The Burning Crusade, I held onto COH like no other. I still miss it. However, I will be picking up Discipline gear as my "main set" and Holy gear as my "off-set" as COH will undoubtably be more than helpful during times a Restoration Druid might not be around.

Do not underestimate Aspiration, either. Now, the real reason I'm posting:

How does Borrowed Time work with the base 30% Spell Power -> amount absorbed specifically? Is it multiplicative so 0.30 * 1.40 = 42% conversion or is it additive so 0.30 + 0.40 = 70% conversion.

I don't really miss CoH as much since I just let druids Wild Growth the raid. But what I can't fathom is, why on earth would you not take Penance? It heals for more than Flash Heal while costing Less mana (so better hpm). And Heals for more than Greater Heal while also costing less mana and doing it faster and increasing chance on procs.

I have not, but I've also had zero mana problems in 25 mans and/or 10 man. In fact, as of right now the only thing I am having mana problems with is Anub'arak on heroic. I am specced 58/13/0. As far as I am concerned, as long as I am not running out of mana Improved Healing is not an issue.

My only issue is how Penance doesn't consume the [Eye of Gruul] / [Soul Preserver] proc/buff thing. That would allow me to cheat FSR.

To clarify, the only times I have mana issues is when I am forced to aoe heal or raid heal heavily without consistent damage (for example, I actually keep my mana up fairly well on Thaddius by PWSing the raid, since the shields are usually absorbed within 30 seconds).

Have there been giving any word from the dear blues concerning Rupture that when PW:S a player who doesnt use mana, ie. warriors, rogues the likes, you dont get mana back?

Is it intended or a bug? And does anyone have an idea of an ETA of the next patch?

I didn't say anything like that. Of course you need 50 points in Disc to get Penance. But you don't need 5/5 Enlightenment, which was my point. I would much prefer going 2/2 Focused Power and 3/5 Enlightenment as I believe Focused Power to be the better talent point for point. And because most of the bottom Disc talents are quite good I just don't have the 2 spare points to max out Enlightenment. Grace, Aegis and Rapture aren't optional for me. Perhaps Aspiration or Renewed Hope could be dropped instead.

But Renewed Hope is somewhere between 1.5% and 2% output per point (less than 2% because PW:S doesn't crit, but has to be used to get the Renewed Hope effect) plus extra mana regeneration from Aegis/Rapture. That means it's better than a "mere" 1% haste/1% spirit combo. Particularly because Spirit for Disc Priests is mainly the Meditation value and hardly anything else.

That leaves Aspiration. But the cooldown reduction for Penance is great. As it currently stands the more Penance the better in terms of throughput, efficiency and safety.

Bottom Line:
I can't find the points for Enlightenment because to me all the other deep Disc talents look better.

Yes, all bottom Disc talents are very good and need a lot of points. But you have the "Power Infusion tier" of the tree before them where you will, in a PvE template, just invest 1 point.

So, where will you invest the 4 remaining points needed in the top of the tree to reach the bottom ? I think Enlightenment is a very good option then, don't you ?

Remember also that 5% haste from Enlightenment is 5% that you will be able to drop for better stat on your stuff, I think you underevaluate it a bit too.

You make a good point. PvE has some spare points available. In that case Enlightenement is a decent choice. And indeed it would require a lot of haste rating to get 5%.

In the end it may be a question of output against efficiency. If there are no mana issues then Enlightenement has no downside. If there are mana issues, then other mana-reduction abilities can be picked instead I guess.

When you're going full Disc, you need to invest 8 points into the following talents to get to Rapture, which ones do you favour?
Options are:
- Imp DS
- Imp PW:S
- Absolution
- Enlightenment
- Focused Power

I just assumed Mental Agility, Inner Focus, Meditation, 1/3 Imp PW:S and Divine Spirit would be standard choices. However, I'm not entirely sold on Mental Agility.

Focused Power is a great output talent. It beats all the other options in my opinion.
Imp DS is more or less unnecessary for 25-man raids, but can be nice in smaller groups.
The value of Absolution heavily depends on how much dispelling is required. With Absolution Mass Dispel is a pretty awesome spell for dispelling AoE magic debuffs.
Imp PW:S is not a very strong talent in itself, but seeing how a Disc would ideally use Shield whenever possible it would contribute throughout all fights.

I'm leaning towards maxing Imp PW:S out, skipping Imp DS and Absolution and going with 4/5 Enlightenment, full Focused Power and Mental Agility.

That would look like this then:
Priest Talent Calculator

Just some quick info. I've been running with the [Eye of Gruul] and [Soul Preserver] for a while for Circle of Healing spam, and there is some oddness with these two trinkets.

For one thing, both procs are called Healing Trance Healing Trance, and from what I can tell, they can't proc at the same time. For another thing, the proc will be consumed even when you cast a free spell from Inner Focus, Surge of Light, or Clearcasting, so you want to be a little careful on that if you want to get the most bang for your buck.

The old Eye of Gruul was theorycrafted to be equivalent to 138 mp5 for literal CoH spam situations. Now that CoH hits 6 targets, and the Soul Preserver adds 800 mana, this is now going to be:

"The chance to get once proc on a 6 hit CoH would be
(1- ((1-.02)^6))= .114 = 11.4%

Multiply mana saved by chance to proc
730*.114 = 83.22 mana in 1.5s

SO take the number of casts in 5 secs to find mp5 equiv
(5s/1.5s)*83.22 = 277.4 mp5 (only from mana saved while spamming CoH, not counting possible O5SR regen from chain procs or synergy with SoL and Inner Focus)

Spell Haste would only improve this number. It seems that this blue trinket will still be in our bags for any CoH spam situation.

For reference:

Discipline and Holy WotLK Talent Preview and discussion.