WotLK Healing Compendium v3.0 [theorycraft, specs, etc] - Page 21

Spiona · 11/25/08, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lanthon

CoH will still figure prominently in raid healing. There are lots of fights so far where standing in one place and healing with CoH is preferable to moving around, then using Surge of Light procs to heal the lowest raid member and maybe cheat the 5 sec rule. Prayer of Mending is still my favorite spell. My main issue so far has been maximizing healing done per global cooldown. Prayer of Mending can potentially heal 6 times (with 2pc t7) per global cooldown, and at 15% of base mana (compared to 17% for renew, 18% for flash heal) with 2 bounces it's the most mana efficient heal we have. And this doesn't even factor in crits or the fact that it causes no threat.

As for Renew, I don't use it much anymore (once I got past that giddy feeling of seeing it tick for so much). Glyphed Flash Heal is a better use of the global, IMO. Renew has become somewhat situational, which is sad when you think about it. It used to be insanely mana efficient.

I am pretty sure Prayer of Mending does cause threat now these days

, but when its on another target it takes your spell power into consideration.

Tainter · 11/25/08, 7:35 PM

Just for Reference, there's currently something going on with Borrowed Time. Or perhaps it never worked fine. It's supposed to haste "the next spell". In the tool-tip it doesn't specify anything else than that.

Cast time spells all seem to correctly receive the advertised haste bonus and upon completion of the cast the buff is consumed.

While under the effect of Borrowed Time the Penance tool-tip shows a 1.6s channeling-time, reduced from 2. However Penance does not consume the effect. I couldn't find any non-cast-time spell that consumes Borrowed Time.

Borrowed Time does not haste Hymn of Hope.

I was able to heal myself 4 times with Holy Nova between gaining BT and BT fading. If BT did not haste my Nova then I would need 5.92 seconds to execute that. BT fades just before my PW:S has 24 seconds remaining. It seems to get applied slightly after the Shield itself. BT itself has a 6 second duration.

With Power Infusion I was able to receive 5 heals from Holy Nova during Borrowed Time. A global cooldown of 1 (BT + PI) would mean I should be able to cast 6. PI changes my global cooldown to 1.23s (* 5 = 6.15s). So with a little bit of lag it could fit in.

With BT I was able to cast 1 hasted Penance (1.6s) and 3 Novas (4.5s) before BT expired.

All of that leads me to believe that BT does not reduce the global cooldown. It does not speed up casting instant spells.

I'm not sure if other Haste effects work the same way, but PI and BT stack multiplicative.

Flash Heal base cast time: 1.5s
Flash Heal with PI only: 1.25s (= 1.5 / 120%)
Flash Heal with BT only: 1.2s (= 1.5 / 125%)
Flash Heal with both: 1s (= 1.5 / [125% * 120%])

Bottom Line at the moment:
Channeled Spells do not consume BT, but benefit from it nonetheless.
If you want to tickle the most output out of Borrowed Time then cast Penance first and then a Greater Heal (or ideally Prayer of Healing, at a nice 2.4s cast time.) Use Instant spells when you're affected by Borrowed Time and want to save it a few seconds for whatever reason.

Even Mind Sear works off BT, hasted by a full second without any other effects, but does not consume the buff. That way one can easily squeeze in two. I hazard to guess that Mind Flay would be similar, but I don't feel like respeccing to find out.

P.S.:
BT (and PI as well) both work on Resurrection. Without gear you can get a 6.67s cast resurrection. For whatever that would be useful I do not know. Perhaps Arena?

siegfried · 11/25/08, 8:25 PM

Seeing as Rapture isn't working well with Divine Aegis (*at all,*) are there any Discipline Priests in raids? Is it even possible to heal in a raid as the spec?

typobox · 11/25/08, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by Spiona

I am pretty sure Prayer of Mending does cause threat now these days

, but when its on another target it takes your spell power into consideration.

I haven't tested it recently, but at some point pre-Wrath (but after 3.0.x) it was confirmed to be giving no threat at all - but the assumption is that this behavior is a bug and it should be crediting threat to the caster.

EvilMrRogers411 · 11/26/08, 12:55 AM

i know the compendium is not complete but overall if you had to take 2 professions for min-maxing it what professions put out the most benefit?

Xaphania · 11/26/08, 1:11 AM

Originally Posted by siegfried

Seeing as Rapture isn't working well with Divine Aegis (*at all,*) are there any Discipline Priests in raids? Is it even possible to heal in a raid as the spec?

Sure it is... rapture/divine aegis may be bugged, but taking away some of our regen doesn't make the spec unusable.

Jipakazoid · 11/26/08, 1:37 AM

Originally Posted by EvilMrRogers411

i know the compendium is not complete but overall if you had to take 2 professions for min-maxing it what professions put out the most benefit?

You can find a summary of profession perks here:
The WotLK profession thread

But overall I'd say alchemy and jewelcrafting for the trinkets.

Promethia · 11/26/08, 2:30 AM

Originally Posted by Arrox

Have there been giving any word from the dear blues concerning Rupture that when PW:S a player who doesnt use mana, ie. warriors, rogues the likes, you dont get mana back?

Is it intended or a bug? And does anyone have an idea of an ETA of the next patch?

I've not seen any blue posts on it, but I would welcome anyone and everyone bringing this up in places where blue posters may see and address the issue.

It's clearly a bug, and a pretty embarassingly one at that, but I am worried it will not get addressed in a timely manner.

For reference the original bug report is here. I see that several others have confirmed the bug and uniformly agree it is an important bug to fix.

Originally Posted by siegfried

Seeing as Rapture isn't working well with Divine Aegis (*at all,*) are there any Discipline Priests in raids? Is it even possible to heal in a raid as the spec?

I rarely like to answer questions like this, as I can only speak from my own experience, which may or may not apply to someone else's situation. However, despite the serious bugs with rapture, I have not had trouble being useful in raids as a discipline priest. Ironically I generally have fewer mana problems than other healers, as most rapture returns (if you're choosing your heals carefully) will come from healing, even if rapture were working correctly with DA.

Tashia · 11/26/08, 2:33 AM

Originally Posted by Isin

Just a quick note, I believe that "stopcasting" macros are no longer necessary, since 2.3.

I have experienced weird behavior with the IHC buff too, but for me it seems that I cast the first GH or FH (and I hadn't noticed if the spell was actually hasted or not now that you mention it), and if that proc'd a Surge of Light, it would consume the second IHC charge. However, if the surge proc happened at the same time as the Clearcasting proc, the Surged Flash of Light would consume neither the Clearcasting buff or the IHC charge. I have to do more testing to figure out the exact behavior but something was definitely weird.

I use the "stopcasting" macro for tank healing, keeping a GH on cast until its needed, can that be done without "Stopcasting"?

OK, so I'm sure now that if you are already casting the second GH when the proc ocures it wont be hasted and it consumes the HC but I'm not sure if it consumes one IHC charge.

On another note it seams that a instant FoL (SoL proc) consumes the inner fire.
I will do more testing and post the exact observations when I can.

Tainter · 11/26/08, 3:44 AM

Of course it can be done without a macro. That's how it was presumably done first. You just interrupt your own cast by taking a small step to the side. Then you start a new cast. Macros make this whole procedure more responsive, but strictly necessary they are not.

denandra · 11/26/08, 4:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tainter

Of course it can be done without a macro. That's how it was presumably done first. You just interrupt your own cast by taking a small step to the side. Then you start a new cast. Macros make this whole procedure more responsive, but strictly necessary they are not.

You can also bind stopcasting to a button in the keybindings-settings. This is very helpful for fights where you don't wanna move around(for example, Prince and shade in kara). Maybe this is something that should be mentioned in the compendium?

lassenc · 11/26/08, 4:25 AM

I have to admit that I am a retard when it comes to stopcasting binds. I tend to spam my button more than one time, so it delays the heals alot. I just cast and then move before the cast is made. Just a dab in any direction.

Incoherence · 11/26/08, 4:57 AM

Originally Posted by lassenc

I have to admit that I am a retard when it comes to stopcasting binds. I tend to spam my button more than one time, so it delays the heals alot. I just cast and then move before the cast is made. Just a dab in any direction.

You think that's bad? I got into the bad habit of jumping, and try as I might I can't break myself of it.

Liths · 11/26/08, 4:58 AM

Originally Posted by typobox

I haven't tested it recently, but at some point pre-Wrath (but after 3.0.x) it was confirmed to be giving no threat at all - but the assumption is that this behavior is a bug and it should be crediting threat to the caster.

I tested it yesterday, it's 0 threat for both you and whoever it heals.

Tashia · 11/26/08, 5:17 AM

Originally Posted by Incoherence

You think that's bad? I got into the bad habit of jumping, and try as I might I can't break myself of it.

Yes this is a very bad habit, I also had this habit at some point but got over it, I also don't like to move if its not necessary that is why I'm using:

/stopcasting
/cast Grater Heal(Rank 9)

with quartz or some similar addon it's very effective you just press it when your heal is at 90% from its casting time (depends on latency) and the next GH9 begins without casting the previous one. This is of course if you don want your first GH9 to land. You don't loose any time at all like when you are jumping or moving.

EDIT: The downside of this macro is that you cant spam the button..