Elitist Jerks Priest: Simple Questions/Simple Answers

 11/13/08, 1:24 AM #1 ♦ Boethius THE DON     Boethius Goblin Death Knight   Mal'Ganis Priest: Simple Questions/Simple Answers Welcome to the Priest Simple Questions thread. This thread is for all your simple questions which you expect to have simple answers and thus do not require their own thread. Note that all forum rules still apply: we said simple questions, not stupid questions (which have no place on these forums). You're still expected to make a reasonable effort to find the answer yourself by searching and reading the threads and making use of spreadsheets and any other tools that may be available. If, however, you're fairly confident that your question is not easily answered with available information, but don't think it will generate sufficient discussion to require it's own thread, this is the place to ask.
 11/13/08, 6:35 AM #2 • Snowy Mitt Romney?     Siawyn Blood Elf Priest   Mal'Ganis Combat Ratings at level 80: 1% crit = 45.9 critical strike rating 1% hit = 26.23 hit rating 1% haste = 32.79 haste rating 1% crit = 166.67 intellect For shadow priests with 3/3 Shadow Focus and 3/3 Misery, you need 11% hit, or 289 hit rating to be hit capped at level 80. Last edited by Snowy : 11/14/08 at 1:58 PM.
11/14/08, 7:16 AM   #3
constantius
Soda Popinski

Pandaren Priest

Windrunner
Regen coefficient @ 80:
 5 * 0.005575 * sqrt{Int} * Spirit = OO5SR regen

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

11/14/08, 8:09 AM   #4
Astmathic
Don Flamenco

Blood Elf Priest

Stormscale (EU)
 Originally Posted by Snowy For shadow priests with 3/3 Shadow Focus, you need 11% hit, or 289 hit rating to be hit capped at level 80.
That also requires you to have full points in Misery. Might be a bit unnecessary to say this since Misery is a required talent regardless of PvP/PvE specc. At least in my own humble opinion

 11/14/08, 9:21 AM #5 javelin Von Kaiser     Brandstifter Orc Death Knight   Bloodhoof It's been a while since I played, and I understand a number of mechanics have changed, most specifically regarding crits on a couple of the Shadow Priest spells (most specifically Mind Flay). So, I've got a couple of questions: Is Mind Flay still a binary spell (hit or miss, with no chance of having a partial resist on cast), or is it a partial resist channeled spell like AM now? With the changes to crit being applied to some more of our spells, I'm having to rethink my stat priority (previous to this news, it was spell power, hit, int/haste), and was wondering what the new 'standard' itemization is for maximum efficiency in PvE. I understand somebody crunched the numbers and determined that crit is now more valuable to us than haste is, but I'm trying to figure out stat prioritization. I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should chellenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.--Mark Twain
 11/15/08, 6:58 PM #6 Ford Glass Joe     Fordeka Undead Priest   Laughing Skull Does Twin Disciplines effect Holy Fire, Mind Blast, Smite, Mana Burn, Greater Heal, and Flash Heal? I read on wowhead that it also effects DOT/HOTs like SW:P, DP, and Renew; is that true? Last edited by Ford : 11/15/08 at 7:04 PM.
11/15/08, 9:13 PM   #7
Starfire
Honorary Toastr

Night Elf Priest

Dragonblight
Well, it definitely affects SW:P, DP, Renew, PW:S. There was debate as to whether it affected SoL FH, but I don't think anyone bothered to test for a conclusion.

Old Twin Discipline's did affect those spells you listed, but I don't see why the new one would affect them unless it was a bug. It says instant cast spells. Not all spells or dots/hots (it just happens our only HoT and two of our DoTs are instant cast).

 Originally Posted by arison Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when \$AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

 11/16/08, 1:07 PM #8 Isin Piston Honda     Isin Undead Priest   Borean Tundra Can anyone recommend a method for aoe grinding with Mind Sear? Is it even possible? I was hoping to put VT and SW:P on a group of maybe 4 or 5 mobs and then mind sear them down. I would use DP whenever it was up as well. Does Shadow's Reach increase the radius of Mind Sear?
 11/16/08, 10:12 PM #9 chrisb3 Von Kaiser     Dominara Human Priest   Sylvanas (EU) There has always been alot of misinformation about fade. I would like to get this cleared up once and for all. While it clears all of the threat you have on the mob for the duration, what happens to any new threat you generate while fade is active? I assume you get the full amount of new threat judging by what happens when you use fade+pet. Dps(aggro on you)->shadowfiend(aggro on you)->fade(aggro on shadowfeind)->dps during fade(aggro on you very quickly). However one of my priests told me to fade before using mind sear to get less threat from it. So is new threat created during fade modified in any way?
11/17/08, 3:43 PM   #10
dragondeath46
Glass Joe

Draenei Warrior

Kael'thas
 Originally Posted by chrisb3 There has always been alot of misinformation about fade. I would like to get this cleared up once and for all. While it clears all of the threat you have on the mob for the duration, what happens to any new threat you generate while fade is active? I assume you get the full amount of new threat judging by what happens when you use fade+pet. Dps(aggro on you)->shadowfiend(aggro on you)->fade(aggro on shadowfeind)->dps during fade(aggro on you very quickly). However one of my priests told me to fade before using mind sear to get less threat from it. So is new threat created during fade modified in any way?
This is how it works, as far as I understand:

 Originally Posted by wowhead Apply Aura: Mod Total Threat (Fade) Value: -90000000
Therefore, say you have 10,000 threat on a mob. You cast Fade, and your threat is now -89990000. If you were to DPS some more, and general another 10,000 threat in the next 9 seconds, before Fade wears off you would have -89980000 threat, and as soon as Fade wears off, you threat would be 20,000.

I'm assuming the value on wowhead is correct, but this seems to line up with what I have heard from beta testers that were able to use Mind Sear actively in raids.

I hope my post count is not an issue with the validity of my statement. I am a long time reader and first time poster, and I hope to be able to contribute to this community more over the coming months!

 11/17/08, 3:54 PM #11 Roywyn Bald Bull     Roywyn Gnome Mage   No WoW Account (EU) Priest / Death Knight interaction 1) Does Crypt Fever increase the damage of Devouring Plague by 30%? 2) Does Pestilence spread Devouring Plague to additional targets? I know that both should be true according to the tooltips, but can anyone confirm that this is actually the case in-game? The abilities have changed a lot in beta and they didn't work together for a while, hence my request for a confirmation. I'd also like to add that Mirror Image (the mage version of Fade) works exactly like described above. You can do everything you want for 10 seconds, but then all your threat from before and during Fade comes back. Last edited by Roywyn : 11/17/08 at 7:21 PM. Chaotic Meta Gems in Cataclysm: http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t106009-...2/#post1794256 DPS spec and class comparison in Naxxramas gear: http://code.google.com/p/simulationc...i/SampleOutput The Blue Bar and you - the complete Fire Mage 2.4 mana compendium: http://elitistjerks.com/658230-post3191.html And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM. Neither does [The Egg of Mortal Essence] since 3.1.
11/17/08, 6:30 PM   #12
toth
Von Kaiser

Blood Elf Priest

Dragonmaw
 And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.
Roywyn, that line in your signature made me realize the Timbal's Focusing Crystal (and other similar procs) probably no longer function with Mind Flay since its mechanics have changed to mimic Arcane Missles. Can anyone confirm?

 11/18/08, 2:25 AM #13 Akhtal Von Kaiser   Khaydo Blood Elf Warlock   Mug'thol I ran an instance with a DK tonight and I can confirm both abilities work with Devouring Plague (and it's pretty awesome tabbing to dot the second target and seeing DP getting applied to it as well).
 11/18/08, 5:10 AM #14 Asopiram Glass Joe   Asopiram Troll Priest   Vek'nilash If 1%crit = 166.67 intell and 1 intell =0.114 mp5 Does that mean 1% crit = 19 mp5? So 45.9 crit rating = 19pm5?
 11/18/08, 8:26 AM #15 Tainter Don Flamenco   Tainter Undead Priest   Frostwhisper (EU) No. Part of the mp5 from Int comes from it increasing max mana. Therefore it provides more mana from replinishment and mana tide. Another part comes from the spirit-based mana regeneration. I'm not sure which of these was taken into account for that (1 Int = 0.114 mp5) number and which buffs and how much Spirit that assumes. Edit: It looks like you were referring to the Compendium stat conversion. I guess then the answer becomes: "Yes, 1% crit provides 0.114 mp5 from Holy Concentration and Improved Holy Concentration if you use the procs in a very specific way." But of course crit also makes you more likely to get Serendipity... Last edited by Tainter : 11/18/08 at 11:03 AM. If you can't join them? Beat them.

 Elitist Jerks Priest: Simple Questions/Simple Answers