toader

Question: Does anyone have any stat weighting done yet (for lootrank) for the various priest talent builds?

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Venomex

[Je'Tze's Bell] Heard some people were interested in seeing some WWS parses with the trinket in use. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the Parse I am about to link. I am the only priest in my guild currently who has it. As far as where it dropped, I would like to put a confirmed drop coming from the blight pools in Storm Peaks. The protodrakes there gave me my goodie.

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Venomex
Gm of Agony
Shandris

For those who may be reading this thread, and aren't as versed in our BIS trinket, The buff gain associated with the bell is named "effervesence". The trinket is a Random World Drop, and sadly comes with the BOP tag. :/

 

ildon

Can I get some independent verification that Guardian Spirit can crit and heal the target for 100%? I think I've seen this about 2-3 times healing heroics and just want to make sure I'm not crazy.

 

eliah

That would be a bit weird, since heals are usually 150% crits like other spells, right? Are you sure you weren't just healing a pally tank who happened to use Lay on Hands at the same time?

 

ildon

That's a good point. It's mostly been warrior tanks. But there have definitely been times where I put guardian spirit up and saw the tank go from 0 -> 100 when I was the only healer, and I'm fairly certain it wasn't when one of my heals landed.

 

• constantius

If you have a combatlog, we can check for you. Otherwise, I'm assuming the tank dipped and took a 'killing blow' that restored 40% of his HP at the same time as you landed a big GHeal.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

 

Starfire

There's also been times when my Guardian Spirit goes on cooldown, but the tank never got the buff. Just throwing this out there, since I think the spell is buggy. Sure, it is most likely server lag or whatever, but a spell like Guardian Spirit, imo, should have top priority to the server.

[e] And for anyone wondering, I change specs as needed.

 

bbartlog

As long as we're on the topic of Guardian Spirit: does the healing it does generate threat for the priest? Or anyone else?

 

Lhyssa

I've lost my tank to server lag using GS with the intention of consuming the buff in Heroics (Xevozz enrage for example), while the CD went up, he died anyway without consuming the GS. Really frustrating, but not surprising.

 

Plitschplatsch

Do you think Divine Providence is worth 5 points should CoH get a 6s or 3s cd?

 

Lhyssa

I've always thought it was worth it if you weren't going for MA, the change just makes it a bit more useful depending on the type of AoE encounter (steady AoE damage during the 7 seconds, more buffs to our other group heals, etc).

 

Kaltezar

I personnaly use the weighting from Dwarfpriest: Weighing Priest Healing Stats A Dwarf Priest

The author say that he lastly updated it 02.12.2008. Anyway, from my disc point of view, I think he underestimate a bit the "crit rating" (but I have no number actually to justify it). For disc priest, in other threads here, it has often be stated that you have roughly to choose beetween "crit" or "haste".

So, my personal weighting is: 1% crit = 1% haste.

So 1% haste = 32.79 * 0.42 = 13.7718 weight => 1 crit rating = 13.7718 / 45.9 = 0.3.

Crit may be then a bit overvalued with that (since it is arbitrary, no math behind). But, you shouldn't forget that weighting stuff will not replace you brain and what you are feeling lacking when healing in raid.

In summary, I use that for deep discipline:

* Spellpower: 0.60
* Spirit: 0.40
* Intellect: 0.84
* Crit: 0.30
* Haste: 0.42
* MP5: 1.00

For holy, just have a look at the link I gived.

 

jzi

I've read that borrowed time is bugged a few weeks ago, that 1/5 borrowed time actually have the absorb effect of 5/5 borrowed time, and 5/5 actually absorbs less than 1/5 borrowed time. Is this still true?

Also, great call on the rapture shield bug on manaless targets, I was wondering about that.

 

Imua

The old Borrowed Time bug involved the Haste - 1/5 provided more haste than 5/5. That's been fixed. Also, instant casts would eat the buff.
The new "bug" (unconfirmed) is that Penance doesn't eat the haste buff. So, you can Shield, hasted Penance, hasted Flash Heal with no problem right now. (I expect it to be fixed so that Penance eats the buff.)

 

Promethia

Actually, I think most discipline priests would value 1% crit a bit more than 1% haste. Although from a healing output point of view they are roughly equivalent, the 1% crit gets you more mana back from rapture. The heals are bigger on average and you proc more divine aegis shields. Haste has no such benefits.

How much more should you value crit? Well, you'll get different answers there. I agree that you should use your brain and solve the problems you actually have. That is to say, if you find mana is an issue for you, then favor crit over haste to the degree that that is true. However, if mana isn't an issue there is nothing wrong with haste.

 

Arkani

I loaded up [Heroes' Robe of Faith] in Rawr. Is it really that that low in comparison to other robes like [Egg Sac Robes] or [Robes of Crackling Flame]?

I have my badge pieces, and have 87 atm, so I can afford to spend them. Currently using [Robes of Crackling Flame].

Apparently, according to Rawr, the [Egg Sac Robes] are better then both, is this true?

Am I just using Rawr wrong?

 

Kaeltala

Hello everyone, I just acquired the +90 INT trinket from darkmoon faire, I'm disc priest and my higher stat will always be INT.

How would you rank this trinket among the others regen trinkets available for my spec ?

 

Thorongil

With your actual armory values you should already hardly encounter any mana problems. However, if you really feel you need it the Darkmoon card is one of the best for Disc (along with [Soul of the Dead] which I´d judge superior to the Card since it offers Crit instead of pure brute regen as well).

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Kashir

I'm not sure if you can set stat weightings in Rawr, but my guess is that for some reason it's hugely overvalueing +haste. [Heroes' Robe of Faith] is itemised excellently for regen for a Holy Priest; it's a very good item unless you're already comfortable with your mana regen.
It should be by far the best pure regen trinket in the game for Disc; the only question is whether or not the huge regen boost is worth taking a trinket with almost no actual healing throughput increase.

 

Lhyssa

Rawr, if I recall, has a few different ways it can evaluate gear. There's throughput, longevity, and survival (your ttl, har har) settings and evaluations, making gear ranking a little more complex. I also hate to ask a stupid question, but did you also put your spec into it? Did you gem the robe?

As you are currently Holy, [Heroes' Robe of Faith] is going to be flat better for regen and spellpower-based throughput gemmed well. I saw both my spellpower, I5R and OO5R regen go up after I equipped my t7 chest over the [Robes of Crackling Flame].

However, I believe you lose a little bit of INT (which will hurt replenishment gains a tad), and of course you lose haste, but you really shouldn't start stacking haste until you have other benchmarks of regen and crit.

 

The Not So Evil

I loaded up your character in Rawr, and I am seeing the same thing. So I think your usage of Rawr is correct. However;

I will look into this right now. In theory, if you no longer have mana issues, Haste is a great stat for pure throughput. However I feel that its starting to take a turn for the ridiculous, so I will take a closer look.

On the other hand, if you are not experiencing mana problems, Haste will get your heals there faster for a safer and more enjoyable ride.

** Issue found, haste was getting *DOUBLE* Bonus. **

After fixing this, things look a lot more like expected, thanks for pointing this out for me. Next release should be a bit more trustworthy when it comes to evaluating haste.

Rawr - Coder of HolyPriest (Healer) and ShadowPriest (DPS) Modules.
Get Your Rawr 2.2.20!

 

Arielle

On the topic of trinkets, I didn't care for the [Soul Preserver] trinket. The proc rate seems increadibly low and it often would consume Surge of Light procs devouring a mana-free cast and a mana-reduced cast.

[Valonforth's Remembrance] I picked up from a Dragonblight quest early on and stuck with it will proc several times in one fight. I kept this one until I replaced it with the [The Egg of Mortal Essence] that also has a wonderful proc rate.

On a sidebar from the discussion of trinkets I did have a question whether or not anyone else has taken the Improved Inner Fire talent from the Discipline Tree? I noticed the tooltip and website are completely incorrect as far as the spellpower bonus gained from the additional points.

 

Thorongil

Any reasonable Priest raiding specc will include Improved Inner Fire. However, I can´t see any unexpected behaviour by the talent.

Baseline Inner Fire gives 120 Spellpower. 120 * 1,45 = 174 which is the amount that is stated in the tooltip as well as what it really grants me when I cast it.

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Pillowtalk

What is the correct formula for the stacking of spell haste rating, enlightenment, and the borrowed time buff?

My initial guess would be (1 + spell haste rating/3279) * 1.05 * 1.25 = % casting speed

 

• constantius

I would say that your guess is wrong. That would give roughly ~ 65% haste (25% base, 25% Borrowed Time, 5% enlightment, 5% WoA) after each PW:S, equivalent to 2100 haste rating. A little too much, methinks.

There's no reason to assume that they work multiplicatively, when every other haste effect in the game works additively. It should work out to:
Similarly, adding in Wrath of Air adds 0.05 to the denominator of the above; adding Imp Moonkin Aura is another 0.03.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein