I doubt it is ever going to be of importance, but is Lightwell a 'healing spell'? For once I know I can't cast it in SoR (which is a great pity, as casting it on last second would be very useful in situations when I died). Does that also mean it does not benefit from Spiritual Healing? Does it even benefit from my spellpower in first place or is the amount healed static? Can it trigger 'whenever you cast a healing spell' abilities?

We had a ton of problems with MC breaking on Razuvios last night. I checked the patch notes and couldn't find anything about changes to the spell or the encounter. Normally we might have 1 MAYBE 2(total) break before being released. Last night it was the majority of them. I know that spell hit is a factor, but it's never been an issue before. The shadow priest doing it with me was having the problem as well. Is anyone else having this problem?

The usual reasons Mind Control break (I assume you already know this, I'm just listing for reference).

- Under hit cap (I believe it is 6% against level 82).
- Taking direct damage. (Jagged Knife). Getting shielded by another Priest can help mitigate this, but only if damage is entirely absorbed.
- Going out of Mind Control cast range. Doing this will make you lose the Mind Control.

All in all, the best strategy is to tank up Razovious, and once the other Priest takes over, you release yours, and recast Mind Control on another add. Tanking twice with same Mind Control has proven too risky for me atleast.

To me this sounds like a range-problem. However, Razuvious and MC-issues have already been discussed on the last site, refer to those posts for any information, there is nothing additional.

Well im positive range wasnt an issue. In fact we were having to pull him back out of the raid repeatedly. If anything he was too close. We haven't done it any differantly than we have the past few weeks. I guess ill chalk this one up to bad luck with jagged knife or something. Thanks for the input guys.

I second this. Though my experience is limited (that is I am not farming it from day one) last week attempts had an incomparably greater number of breaks than on previous attempts. That was from people who had a hit cap for a level 82 mob. Maybe it was some sort of noob play on our side, which we failed to notice, maybe it was an extreme bad luck with RNG, but after n-th break I did get the feeling 'FFS something DID change in this encounter'.

This is not another QQ and I did read all the posts on that topic (note that the original question appeared last week as well). I just want to bring up a possibility that there could have been some modifications to 25-man Raz or MC mechanics.

Yes, this is one of the reasons to not cast Shadow Word: Pain at the start of the fight.
Waiting for Shadow Weaving to become fully stacked usually gives enough time for other players to stack their debuffs (like Improved Scorch) before you cast SW:P

DoTs can not crit.

He's probably talking about Imp. Shadowform =)

I've MC'd on Rasuvious for three clears, without any hit gear. I encountered no problems the first and third clear, but during the second clear I kept getting cut right off the bat or short. We ended up just bringing in a Shadow Priest and chalked it up to hit gear for the second clear, but last night when I MC'd without any hit gear again, everything went off without a hitch --- yet I did nothing differently. I'm not convinced that it's simply an issue of the hit cap or range or direct damage cutting off the spell. Can't really explain it, though, I found nothing out of the ordinary in my combat log...

Ugh can we stop these posts already? This is becoming one of those "random loot is random" discussions. If you MC'd razuvious in the past without hit gear, you were lucky. You should have hit gear.

Here's one I haven't seen yet... does Inner Focus add the 25% crit value modifer if used to cast SW:P?

No. SW:P is not actually capable of crit and as such is not affected by Inner Focus.

I'm just noting that it is strange how one week you can have over 30 MC's break almost instantly without hit gear and then two other weeks where MC never breaks once without any hit gear. It is fishy, and others have noticed it, too, and blindly dismissing it totally gets us nowhere. This isn't anywhere near the "random loot is random" discussions because the sample size is much larger --- I was casting many MC's one attempt and never could last more than 5 seconds, whereas the other two attempts 6 or more MC's lasted long enough to successfully transition (which, granted, is less of a sample size than the ones which resulted in wipes because we one-shot the boss).

If you don't want the discussion to continue, that's fine, but please don't patronize us.

He wasn't being patronizing. Rather than testing with hit gear you decided to post essentially that Onyxia deep breaths more and we'd like to avoid baseless speculation. If you want to test Raz understudies with 17% hit and post actual evidence to support your claim that hit isn't needed and/or working right please do so.

I couldn't find the grid thread, so I'm asking here.

Anyone got a working range indicator? I want the ppl that I am out of range of to fade compared to the in-range ones.

Activating any of the "More than xx yards" does not make any difference here, if that is what you are meaning.

Will you guys skill the 20% mana reduce for group heal and focus on group heal / pom, when coh gets a 6 sec cd? What's gonna be your raid tactic then? Or will you still use CoH with pom and (free) fhs in between?

Would be nice if you could actually look up the names of the talents and spells you are talking about, instead of just using your own special way of talking about them.
Anyway, to rephrase: You want to know whether raid healers are going to put a couple of points in the talent 'Healing Prayers' and start using Prayer of Healing more, once Circle of Healing has a cooldown and is no longer spammable.
I doubt it very much. Prayer of Healing has a long cast time, and the group-only limitation is kind of hard to deal with in a raid setting. You would have to coordinate with the raid leader (stack groups appropriately) in order for this to have any chance of being useful, and even then I expect that the long reaction time would make this very situational. And since you would only be using it rarely it wouldn't make sense to burn the talent points on making it cheaper.
As for what spells to use when PoM and CoH are on cooldown, it will depend. I don't get a lot of free casts of Flash Heal (low crit, 10-man raiding often without any crit buff) so I normally try to increase my time OO5SR by using Greater Heal more than Flash Heal. Someone who has a lot of crit rating or is healing 25-man raids (where GHeal will almost never land before someone else heals) wold probably use Flash Heal a lot more.

I already have Healing Prayers. I find myself casting Prayer of Mending almost every cooldown (let's say an average of every 8 seconds).

Prayer of Mending untalented costs 579 mana (463 mana with 2/2 Healing Prayers). Using the model of casting every 10 seconds (since it is easier to model). You get 6 casts a minute for a savings of 696 mana per minute (116 mana per cast). Or a savings of 58 mp5. This scales quite well the more you cast it.

Using a model of casting every 8 seconds you can cast it 15 times in 2 minutes for a savings of 1740 mana in 2 minutes, or 72.5 mp5.

Bottom line is, if you cast PoM *a lot* you may as well grab this talent.

Since all attempt to search EJ regarding the issue of SoL proc'ing on priests who are currently not spec'ed for SoL, proved to turn up no results I figured I might as well risk repeating the question. I did however, through a general google search of the keywords of SoL bug and wow turned up the possible answer to be attributed to PoM procs, I wanted to know if anyone knew solidly if this was true or not. Are PoM procs really causing other priests to be given SoL power gains, even though they are not talented for it? During the last guild 25 Naxx, only a fellow holy priest (not SoL spec, where I was) was given the buff, we had an additional priest (shadow) present during the second half of the raid who did not receive the power gain.

Forgive me if this is further child like question, but after reading some mid thread discussion in Compendium regarding renew, I was left wondering why (when reviewed in WWS) renews have such a large gap between min and max, yet are incapable of critical "hits." I'm not sure if I am asking for clarification of why hots cannot land critical heals, yet have the general various random probability range that all heals have...or maybe just incoherently babbling. My apologies for my stumbling attempt in this wording...I've never tried to have a conversation regarding this topic, nor read very much on it.

Renew will vary wildly depending on the buffs the target has. ToL aura / Imp Devo Aura going on/off is a 6% differential. Guardian Spirit is a 40% differential. Druids have an ability that increases healing incoming to them. Etc, etc. Additionally, Renew is very sensitive to spellpower gains; the difference between a ToW renew and a non-ToW renew will be significant.

As far as the SoL bug, no-one is *really* sure what's causing it, but PoM procs is as good an explanation as any, since PoMs tend to mix/mingle, and the coding on them isn't necessarily flawless.