I was nearly certain that this was the case (pom overwriting) until I had both SoL and inspiration (despite not being specced for them, obviously) proc many times in a heroic nexus run. The group composition was frost dk, balance druid, bm hunter, and affliction warlock.

I would like to know of an addon that tells me when I proc IHC/SoL. Something combat textish would be nice because the in-game combat text in a 25 man is too messy,and doesn't really do what i need it to do.

Well, you have three choices, all of which can be used simultaneously to really drive the point home that you do indeed have IHC/SoL up.

The first is Power Auras: Power Auras Classic : WoWInterface Downloads : Buff/Debuff/Spell Mods - these will throw up a huge graphic on to your screen whenever the specified buff(s) are up on your character.

The second is any scrolling combat text mod, like Parrot or MSBT. These can be configured on custom events to notify you with text - you may want to choose to "sticky" the event in order for it to really grab your attention.

The third is using a buff mod like Satrina's Buff Frames and quarantining IHC and SoL to a separate buff frame, blowing the size up and placing it somewhere highly visible. You'll no longer have to look at your actual buffs up in the corner, when their icons and duration will show up conveniently in the middle of the screen.

Well, I do have a screenshot of my SoL proc in Naxx.

(Edited only for names other than my own)

As you can see, i'm deep into disc, (chain pulling, so i didn't bother to go to holy page and scrolling down to SoL talent, figured so far into disc would get the point across).

Now, as you can see, it shows as Wheelerpwnz has gained Wheelerpwnz's SoL. No idea as to how, PoM could be it, didn't think to SS if i had PoM.

That was my contribution of info, now my simple question. Will my Grace buff only increase healing from me, any disc priest, or any priest?

Didn't think about it until I ran with a 2nd disc priest, he too had Grace, and it showed up as his buff, but I could renew his buff with my heals, I was having waaay too many buffs to think whether or not his grace was affecting my heals. Is this intended if so? More heals is always welcome, would definately affect our healing assignments putting another priest holy or disc with me.

Is there more to the activation? Only reason I am asking, even though it works perfectly fine for my Priest, it does not work at all for my warrior -- even with copying my Priest's settings. I reasoned the range checker was perhaps based on spell ranges or something, but I wasn't sure... (Works for my Priest, Druid and Paladin, but not my Warrior or Death Knight, with copied settings).

Or you could try to set up a new chat window to only tell you what buffs you gain, I forget if you can specify that even farther, but yea, many addons can do what you are talking about.

I've been playing with the Rawr.HolyPriest model a bit recent and found it really nifty. I'm wondering how much trust to put in the results, specifically for disc priests. I've set it to use "Disc-Tank (Penance/PW:S/ProM/FH), entered my gear, spec, and buffs, and it looks right, and gives some really neat graph showing how much I'd benefit from different raid buffs or gear upgrades. Anyone else played with it and found it accurate (or otherwise)?

Also, bonus question - Wowhead has some stat weights for Disc healing which seem really bizarre. In particular, they list crit rating as being the second most valuable stat we can get, only barely behind spellpower. By contrast they list int and mp5 quite low (with mp5 the weakest of all stats). Does anyone have any idea how they got these weights? Does anyone agree that crit is that valuable for disc?

I'm the Author of the HolyPriest model, and I trust it 100%, and I play as Disc.

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. It's a really impressive tool!

I don't agree with the weightings entirely, personally. I think crit is somewhat undervalued, and spirit distinctly _over_ valued. Although admittedly I play more by feel, so NotSoEvil will be able to math me into a corner in no time flat I am sure. I do look at it as a reference point though, and it is quite useful for me in a general sense as a direction to go.

Mostly it's just that mana has been an absolute non-issue at present -- if and when this changes I will reassess, but given the current environment I am going very crit-heavy. I am (at present) gemming for crit, but am warming up to the idea of gemming more towards haste as an accessory stat. I find mp5 and spirit to be quite nearly useless, and take it only when I am given it and little other option. The returns from rapture combined with replenishment have been more than enough for every situation I've encountered.

Just a quick off the cuff example -- I can see no reason a disc priest would pick up any boot enchant (beyond runspeed if deemed necessary) other than icewalker. There is just... nothing else that offers practical benefit, even with the wasted hit.

I also never gem for spellpower, but I didn't as holy either. It always felt like I had the right amount just by virtue of the base amounts on gear and various enchantments. The allowance to this is spellpower/other mixed gems to make good use of some socket bonuses.

None of this is to say that I am right and whoever else is incorrect -- I'm merely citing my performance (which seems more than acceptable) and my gear choices. Critical, with its double benefit from greater returns on rapture and the aegis application seems like the 'most ideal' thing to look for, to me. With haste being secondary to that, taking it on pieces that double up with crit/haste and pieces that are just so heavily itemized that the lack of crit is overlooked (KT's mace).

And as a Rawr specific aside -- as much as I want to love the Meteorite Whetstone, the haste proc is only via melee and ranged attacks, but how I wish this were not the case. It would be so amazing.

(edit: removed question, as it seemed less than 'quick', and moved it to main healing thread)

Rawr unfortunately does not know how a Trinket procs, so Meteorite Whetstone shows up, hopefully fixed in a future version.

I do not find Crit undervalued in Rawr, if it was, I wouldn't be sporting near 23% heal crit unbuffed. (27% with weakened soul). Also I do not see why you find Spirit overvalued. Its the second lowest ranked relevant stat for Disc. I wont go all Mathy on you, because you are right in your feel. Nothing in the game can really challenge an epic geared Priest right now. (Apart from 3 drake Sartharion).

The tooltip for Imp. VE states "Increases healing received from VE..." Does this include party members? OR does it only affect the healing you personally get from VE?

Unimproved VE is 15/3,

1/2 Imp VE is 20/4
2/2 Imp VE is 25/5.

If I recast VT just before the current VT finishes ticking, does it reset the timer for damage ticks, or just refresh the duration of the spell?

ie, if I start casting a new VT with 1.6 seconds left on the old one, will that last tick still do damage?

Does Rawr.HolyPriest assume usage of mana potions in calculating the use of Mercurial Alchemist Stone (rated as 2nd best trinket) ?

[e] Also is there a way to make it not list items with epic/unavailable gems? (Or forgive me if I missed the memo with 23 spellpower gems available >.>)

It doesn't assume. The fight length is configurable under the options tab (but is 5 minutes by default).

Doing this will clip the last tick and cost you dps.

I am Disc spec and in heroics I typically have a bear tank that I am healing. I've read the threads here and haven't seen this issue, but has anyone else noticed that PW:S just doesn't seem to work on bears?

I cast it, it shows up. The bear gets smacked around and his health is dropping... shield is still sitting up on him. This is the only tank type that I have noticed it happening. Normally I see the shield drop before the tank takes damage. I don't have any issues in raids healing warrior or paladin tanks.

Is it just me or is this a legitimate bug?

I'm holy, heal a Bear, and have never seen that happen. Granted, I don't use shields that frequently, but when I use one, I know it gets used. Have you tried checking your combat log later to see if there is something weird with the absorption or if anything gets absorbed?

I've been meaning too and will make a better attempt at tracking more info down.

I've seen something like this happen on a particular bear tank of ours (not all of them). It's not exactly what you describe, although it may be that we are seeing the same thing. What I see on ours is that the PW:S stays up for the full 30 seconds, and absorbs autoattacks only. It will absorb the full amount (4k, 6k, whatever, the normal amount) on all autoattacks and it will absorb nothing from other attacks. I have no idea what causes this, but it always happens with this particular bear. His name is Jocelyne on my server (Proudmoore).

I'd be interested in the name of your bear tank, maybe we could compare items and talents and see if something is in common between them. It does not seem to matter which priest puts up the PW:S, we have two priests and it happens with both of them, regardless of spec (they're usually holy but sometimes one is disc; it doesn't really matter, it happens either way).