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Old 04/15/09, 7:35 AM   #951
Shiyori
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Can anyone confirm anything about how Inner Focus will affect dots now? Namely curious about SW:P. If IF will provide the entire duration of a dot an increased chance of critical effects, what happens with SW:P since you never recast it?

Or will it affect dots at all, or only the initial tick? I don't recall seeing anything about this.

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Old 04/15/09, 12:54 PM   #952
noriane
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Undead Mage
 
Bloodscalp
Does MF now refresh the crit chance of SWP now? Or it still work the same old way that SWP will have the fixed crit chance determined at the casting time ?

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Old 04/15/09, 2:29 PM   #953
typobox
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Human Priest
 
Alexstrasza
Originally Posted by Shiyori View Post
Can anyone confirm anything about how Inner Focus will affect dots now? Namely curious about SW:P. If IF will provide the entire duration of a dot an increased chance of critical effects, what happens with SW:P since you never recast it?

Or will it affect dots at all, or only the initial tick? I don't recall seeing anything about this.
At the end of PTR, it wasn't affecting DoT spells at all. There was a "we'll look into it" blue post, but I assume that'll have to wait for a later hotfix/patch.

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Old 04/15/09, 7:26 PM   #954
uscbrasco
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Dwarf Priest
 
Dentarg
Does the Rapture 2% total mana to target work when you cast PW:S on yourself?

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Old 04/15/09, 9:51 PM   #955
noriane
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Bloodscalp
It does work for me. Tested yesterday .

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Old 04/16/09, 6:23 AM   #956
riya
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Jubei'Thos
Hi all.

Just a quick question, with patch 3.1 the following Flask of Distilled Wisdom is still good for Holy Spec Priest or Flask of Pure Mojo?

Appreciate your reply and advice.

Thanks

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Old 04/16/09, 6:31 AM   #957
typobox
Don Flamenco
 
Human Priest
 
Alexstrasza
Distilled Wisdom should still be better, but if you want truly max regen consumables and aren't afraid of elixirs, [Guru's Elixir] and [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] is likely the best combo.

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Old 04/16/09, 6:35 AM   #958
riya
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Human Priest
 
Jubei'Thos
Originally Posted by typobox View Post
Distilled Wisdom should still be better, but if you want truly max regen consumables and aren't afraid of elixirs, [Guru's Elixir] and [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] is likely the best combo.
Thanks for the reply and tip!

Will try them out!

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Old 04/16/09, 10:45 AM   #959
deadjon
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Undead Priest
 
Blackrock
3.1 Shadow Spec?

So I've been trying to get a firm grasp on the best spec, and there's been a bit of debate internally (guild) around what's best. I am bad at most things, so if I somehow missed the "Shadow Priest 3.1 Discussion" thread, please point me in that direction.

This is the spec I believe I'll be going with (though currently I have inner focus and 1/2 veiled shadows):
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

First off, has anyone done any math around Inner Focus' vaule? To me, a free mind blast every 3 min at 25% extra crit doesn't seem as powerful as having that extra point to get 5/5 imp MB, or 2/2 Veiled Shadows. Unless blizzard fixes Inner Focus working with SWP casts, there's little reason to take it I believe.

Secondly, the "value" of IMP VE. Baseline you'll be healing your party for 3% of damage done. On any fight with AoE damage, it's a no brainer to put up this debuff, and keep it up. However is the additional 66% effectiveness worth 2 talents points? If so, where do you take them from? I know VE can be enormously valuable when learning fights, but really isn't it the healers responsibility to keep people up? If the 66% from imp ve is multiplicative you basically get 5% of dps as party heals. Does this talent have more value during learning or high raid damage fights? Or if you have poor healing? Totally situational?

Improved Shadow form to me is a must have. 70% push back (does that stack with conc aura? confirm / deny?) seems to be a complete must have. Yet some shadow priests don't have this talent. Are they thick, or do they know something I do not.

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Old 04/16/09, 12:15 PM   #960
Isin
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Undead Priest
 
Borean Tundra
Improved Shadow form to me is a must have. 70% push back (does that stack with conc aura? confirm / deny?) seems to be a complete must have. Yet some shadow priests don't have this talent. Are they thick, or do they know something I do not.
Is this for raiding or for pvp? If it's for raiding, you shouldn't be dealing with that much push back... Ever since they nerfed pushback effects in 3.0 or something, I think most people have skipped pushback protection talents for raiding builds.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:06 PM   #961
deadjon
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Undead Priest
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Isin View Post
Is this for raiding or for pvp? If it's for raiding, you shouldn't be dealing with that much push back... Ever since they nerfed pushback effects in 3.0 or something, I think most people have skipped pushback protection talents for raiding builds.
This statement is very contrary from what I have read and experienced. Any bit of damage during a mind flay cast, and you'll lose a tick. Most fights we're encountered so far in U25 have ample amounts of raid damage, making this talent very strong for PvE.

Seeing how mind flay is both our only spamable DD spell and accounts for a fair percentage of our damage, I'd think making sure it does not get clipped is very important.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:28 PM   #962
Jazzer
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Elune
Quick question regarding Power Infusion.

Which class/spec will gain the largest benefit from the 20% cast speed portion of the buff?

I typically put it on our FFB mage, but I'm wondering if anyone knows which class/spec will gain the biggest effect of the buff.

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Old 04/16/09, 2:00 PM   #963
tedv
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Jazzer View Post
Quick question regarding Power Infusion.

Which class/spec will gain the largest benefit from the 20% cast speed portion of the buff?

I typically put it on our FFB mage, but I'm wondering if anyone knows which class/spec will gain the biggest effect of the buff.
While some classes value haste more than others (Mages will beat Shadow Priests all other things being equal), what really matters is how skilled the player is. Probably your best bet is to pick whichever caster is highest on damage meters and infuse them.

Of course, there might be fight specific reasons to power infuse a specific person. If a fight has an AoE portion where the adds need to die really fast, it makes sense to power infuse a Shadow Priest. The priest can fade, preventing any aggro issues from 20% extra AoE damage. If there's lots of raid healing, infusing a holy priest might be your best choice.

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Old 04/16/09, 9:35 PM   #964
Lhyssa
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Undead Priest
 
Onyxia
Originally Posted by Jazzer View Post
Quick question regarding Power Infusion.

Which class/spec will gain the largest benefit from the 20% cast speed portion of the buff?

I typically put it on our FFB mage, but I'm wondering if anyone knows which class/spec will gain the biggest effect of the buff.
For a healing intensive encounter, a skilled holy paladin will love you for it, especially after the IoL change. Though, I'm not sure if soft haste cap comes heavily into play and makes some of the haste wasted.

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Old 04/16/09, 11:07 PM   #965
ildon
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Undead Priest
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by noriane View Post
Does MF now refresh the crit chance of SWP now? Or it still work the same old way that SWP will have the fixed crit chance determined at the casting time ?
The last time I tested this on the PTR, which was just last weekend so it's unlikely it's changed since, MF was still not refreshing crit % on SW:P.

Originally Posted by tedv View Post
While some classes value haste more than others (Mages will beat Shadow Priests all other things being equal), what really matters is how skilled the player is. Probably your best bet is to pick whichever caster is highest on damage meters and infuse them.

Of course, there might be fight specific reasons to power infuse a specific person. If a fight has an AoE portion where the adds need to die really fast, it makes sense to power infuse a Shadow Priest. The priest can fade, preventing any aggro issues from 20% extra AoE damage. If there's lots of raid healing, infusing a holy priest might be your best choice.
Does it still not stack with Icy Veins? I vaguely recall having to coordinate with the mage I was putting it on in BT at some point.

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Old 04/17/09, 2:06 AM   #966
typobox
Don Flamenco
 
Human Priest
 
Alexstrasza
It stacks with Icy Veins, but not with Heroism/Bloodlust.

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Old 04/17/09, 8:45 AM   #967
Crow
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Outland (EU)
Originally Posted by deadjon View Post
Seeing how mind flay is both our only spamable DD spell and accounts for a fair percentage of our damage, I'd think making sure it does not get clipped is very important.
I don't think Imp. Shadowform will prevent loosing tick from MF. As stated above if you take even 1 damage you loose a tick and Imp.Shadowform + Imp.Concentration aura is 82% pushback protection not 100%.

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Old 04/17/09, 3:54 PM   #968
Rygorff
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Dwarf Priest
 
Sargeras
PW: shield and warrior tanks

Does PW:Shield still hinder a warrior's ability to generate rage or has that been changed? If I am Disc and on MT healing would it be an acceptable play style to always have my shield up on the MT? Is that going to affect his threat generation enough for it to be a concern?

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Old 04/17/09, 5:13 PM   #969
Xaphania
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Dwarf Priest
 
Azjol-Nerub
Originally Posted by Rygorff View Post
Does PW:Shield still hinder a warrior's ability to generate rage or has that been changed? If I am Disc and on MT healing would it be an acceptable play style to always have my shield up on the MT? Is that going to affect his threat generation enough for it to be a concern?
They said they were going to change it so that warriors and druids still get rage through a shield. I am not sure if they did this yet, but I can tell you that whether they changed it or not, it's been proven that the loss in rage is almost insignificant.

Short answer: If you're discipline, shield your tanks. If you're holy, it's more situational, and I wouldn't advise using it on tanks unless you're on the move and have nothing else to throw at them.

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Old 04/17/09, 6:20 PM   #970
constantius
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Shadowsong
Given that Holy has Body and Soul, I actually shield the tanks constantly as holy, especially if they're moving in the slightest.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 04/17/09, 9:33 PM   #971
Xaphania
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Azjol-Nerub
Originally Posted by constantius View Post
Given that Holy has Body and Soul, I actually shield the tanks constantly as holy, especially if they're moving in the slightest.
That is true. I'm still getting used to Body and Soul. I'm disc mainly anyway.

And now for a question:
Has anyone experimented to see how it works when someone has both DA and PW:S on them? Do they stack? (example: with a 6k shield + 2k aegis, would 8k be absorbed?)

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Old 04/17/09, 9:54 PM   #972
constantius
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Shadowsong
Yes, absorb effects stack. This includes DA, PW:S, Sacred Shield, and any personal cooldowns (such as DK Anti-Magic Shell).

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 04/17/09, 11:33 PM   #973
Rerolled
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Undead Priest
 
Nathrezim
Originally Posted by Xaphania View Post
They said they were going to change it so that warriors and druids still get rage through a shield. I am not sure if they did this yet, but I can tell you that whether they changed it or not, it's been proven that the loss in rage is almost insignificant.

Short answer: If you're discipline, shield your tanks. If you're holy, it's more situational, and I wouldn't advise using it on tanks unless you're on the move and have nothing else to throw at them.
Asked a warrior about this one today, the rage generation fix is in.

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Old 04/18/09, 2:08 PM   #974
Caliste
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Night Elf Priest
 
Dalaran
Last night I won a roll on [Spark of Hope] and I am using it with [Soul of the Dead]. With the spirit nerf is it worth it to drop a significant amount of dkp on [Pandora's Plea] from 25man Ulduar? The Plea has a very nice throughput proc I think. Appreciate the feedback.

Also, [Eye of the Broodmother] intrigues me as more of a throughput trinket to use with Soul of the Dead.

On a sidenote, I tried dropping to 1/3 emp renew for 2/2 B&S. I was very impressed with the talent and will definitely keep it.

Last edited by Caliste : 04/19/09 at 2:23 AM.

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Old 04/18/09, 11:02 PM   #975
 Sjonkel
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Human Priest
 
Doomhammer (EU)
Does anyone know of a Grid mod that displays PoH incoming heals properly?

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