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Old 04/19/09, 10:38 AM   #976
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Originally Posted by constantius View Post
Given that Holy has Body and Soul, I actually shield the tanks constantly as holy, especially if they're moving in the slightest.
Do you not raid with a Discipline priest alongside you? I'm pretty sure mine would bite my arm off if I tried shielding a tank.

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Old 04/19/09, 1:57 PM   #977
Sinndir
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Just as a piece of information for everyone who is interested in Discipline throughput.

WoW Meter Online tracks shields (both Power Word: Shield and Divine Aegis), it is very interesting

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Old 04/19/09, 3:14 PM   #978
Averel
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Shu'halo
Very broad question

With the changes in 3.1, I'm trying to determine what the desired amount of haste/crit/spi is for holy and disc. Currently, Armory shows me as dual speccing holy/shadow, but that's not accurate. I'm holy for my main spec, and I'm trying to decide on a disc spec before setting it as my secondary spec. My guild currently only runs 10 mans with the occasional 25 man, and I'm trying to tweak gear before heading into Uld tonight.

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Old 04/19/09, 5:45 PM   #979
TheDoctor
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Arathor
Originally Posted by Averel View Post
With the changes in 3.1, I'm trying to determine what the desired amount of haste/crit/spi is for holy and disc. Currently, Armory shows me as dual speccing holy/shadow, but that's not accurate. I'm holy for my main spec, and I'm trying to decide on a disc spec before setting it as my secondary spec. My guild currently only runs 10 mans with the occasional 25 man, and I'm trying to tweak gear before heading into Uld tonight.
Speaking for Disc... Spirit is rather a waste. It is important to stack Int for regen not Spirit. The other stats are going to depend on what buffs you have available and what role you will be filling. I tend to run with a BT'd raid buffed haste of ~50%. My raid buffed crit runs upwards of 35%. With those stats I don't have any issue with tank healing or providing raid healing support.

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Old 04/19/09, 6:13 PM   #980
Sinndir
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Intellect is a better regen stat for both holy and disc priests.

Spirit is good for holy because of the spirit -> spellpower conversion, so it double dips as a regen + throughput stat.

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Old 04/19/09, 7:51 PM   #981
Heal
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glyph choices in 3.1

so I'm one of those people that uses empowered renew talent etc so i use the renew glyph, i also use the flash heal glyph because that is one of my main spells i use and it helps save a bit of mana, i normally use circle of healing as my third glyph but as of 3.1 I've been thinking of switching over to the new guardian spirit glyph because it seems pretty useful... i was wondering what other people think about this glyph and if u think its a better choice to use then the circle of healing glyph.

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Old 04/19/09, 8:24 PM   #982
Sinndir
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Originally Posted by Heal View Post
so I'm one of those people that uses empowered renew talent etc so i use the renew glyph, i also use the flash heal glyph because that is one of my main spells i use and it helps save a bit of mana, i normally use circle of healing as my third glyph but as of 3.1 I've been thinking of switching over to the new guardian spirit glyph because it seems pretty useful... i was wondering what other people think about this glyph and if u think its a better choice to use then the circle of healing glyph.
I do think that Guardian Spirit is the best glyph we have. However, I think CoH and Flash heal are the second and third best, respectively. The CoH glyph adds 20% throughput to the spell and the flash heal glyph is essentially a mana saver (regeneration glyph). The glyph of renew does nothing but change the style of renew from 5 small ticks to 4 slightly less small ticks.

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Old 04/19/09, 10:36 PM   #983
Ksyusha
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Moon Guard
Glyph of SW:P & Lag?

I just added this glyph on my shadow priest. What I'd like to know is if the 10% increased damage to Mind Flay is 10% total, or 10% per tick. Obviously it makes a big difference.

Also, is there a way to tell how much video lag takes away from your DPS? I'm getting a new computer with a decidedly superior video card and I expect my DPS to jump a little. Should I look for 100-200, or could it make as much difference as 600-1k? (Apologies if this is in the wrong place; I didn't see any kind of technical forum here.)

I look forward to contributing more as I absorb more about my class. /salute

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Old 04/20/09, 1:53 AM   #984
Xaphania
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Azjol-Nerub
Originally Posted by Ksyusha View Post
I just added this glyph on my shadow priest. What I'd like to know is if the 10% increased damage to Mind Flay is 10% total, or 10% per tick. Obviously it makes a big difference.
Actually it doesn't... 10% total and 10% per tick result in the same total damage.

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Old 04/20/09, 10:41 AM   #985
Rerolled
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Originally Posted by Ksyusha View Post
I just added this glyph on my shadow priest. What I'd like to know is if the 10% increased damage to Mind Flay is 10% total, or 10% per tick. Obviously it makes a big difference.

Also, is there a way to tell how much video lag takes away from your DPS? I'm getting a new computer with a decidedly superior video card and I expect my DPS to jump a little. Should I look for 100-200, or could it make as much difference as 600-1k? (Apologies if this is in the wrong place; I didn't see any kind of technical forum here.)

I look forward to contributing more as I absorb more about my class. /salute
Look at a Recount/WWS/WMO parse of your dps on Patchwerk, check your dot uptime, # of mind blasts, and # of mind flay ticks vs. their theoretical maximum, if they're close to the maximum your dps won't change much. Hardware doesn't have much of an effect unless you're getting, like, <3 fps in raids.

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Old 04/20/09, 4:12 PM   #986
Ignayshus
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For Ulduar25 what are holy priests looking for in terms of raid-buffed crit%, haste% and regen?

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Old 04/20/09, 4:51 PM   #987
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Beginning Ulduar.25, you should be running 21% raid-buffed haste (8% from raid buffs), 30% raid-buffed crit, and ~ 500 Mp5 I5SR, not counting Replenishment. Only ballparks, numbers can vary wildly depending on how much crit you've stacked.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 04/20/09, 4:58 PM   #988
Ignayshus
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Apologies, I meant to ask where we should be ending up, not starting off. Tough to know for sure, but I was just curious where the current consensus (assuming one exists) lies.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04/20/09, 5:38 PM   #989
constantius
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You can tell pretty well by the PTR values of my BiS gear from Naxx scaled with a Shirt of Uber. Take everything you have going into Ulduar, then scale by 13%.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 04/20/09, 6:29 PM   #990
drastic
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Mal'Ganis
What is the best way to calculate equivalency points for stat weighting in 3.1 for shadow priests? I have searched and cannot seem to find any real answers on this in threads. Are there any spreadsheets that have been updated to account for DOT crits? Obviously, I do not have Ulduar level gear, otherwise I wouldn't care so much about this, but can anyone help me out as there are a lot of gear choices to make at my current gear level?

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Old 04/20/09, 7:12 PM   #991
Gooch
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The Forgotten Coast
Improved Healing in the Holy Tree

I've been raiding as shadow for most of WotLK, and am starting to flex a bit back into holy. I'm finding myself using up my Serendipity on PoH, and almost never Ghealing. Which is making me wonder what the value of Divine Fury and Improved Healing are. Is something like Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft viable for the first 20 points? I know it's pretty marginal because the utility of the talents that are being picked up aren't exactly game breakers, but I just find I'm getting zero value out of the 8 points in Divine Fury and Improved Healing.

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Old 04/20/09, 8:00 PM   #992
ildon
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Originally Posted by drastic View Post
What is the best way to calculate equivalency points for stat weighting in 3.1 for shadow priests? I have searched and cannot seem to find any real answers on this in threads. Are there any spreadsheets that have been updated to account for DOT crits? Obviously, I do not have Ulduar level gear, otherwise I wouldn't care so much about this, but can anyone help me out as there are a lot of gear choices to make at my current gear level?
Most people just go by the results of the simulator. If you want, you can download it and add a character with your stats and run a set of simulations with scale factor enabled to get values more specific to your character, but with semi-decent gear they tend to be close enough to what it uses by default.

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Old 04/21/09, 2:54 AM   #993
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Has any other priest tailors thought about changing their Darkglow Embroidery to Lightweave Embroidery? I haven't seen this discussed anywhere, but it might be worth it for the increased throughput, assuming one does not have mana issues of course

Or am I reading the tooltips incorrectly, and lightweave only procs off damaging spells?

Last edited by Alv!ra : 04/21/09 at 3:04 AM. Reason: [item] not working, or I'm not awake enough to make it work

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Old 04/21/09, 3:09 AM   #994
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I just don't see the benefit of a +250 spellpower proc for a healer. I'm running 2800+ spellpower now, so it's a marginal gain to a couple of spells, in place of a reasonably good mana proc. If you don't want to use Darkglow, switch to +23 Haste instead. At least it's always on.

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Old 04/21/09, 5:27 AM   #995
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@Alvira: I have had Lightweave embroidery proc off heals, it works for both damaging and healing spells.

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Old 04/21/09, 6:32 AM   #996
Ayreon
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What is a good addon to keep track of Serendipity stacks? I tried Power Auras but it won't show the number of stacks I have.

Last edited by Ayreon : 04/21/09 at 6:41 AM.

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Old 04/21/09, 7:47 AM   #997
Feebis
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Originally Posted by Ayreon View Post
What is a good addon to keep track of Serendipity stacks? I tried Power Auras but it won't show the number of stacks I have.
What I have done is to set my power aura to only trigger when I have the third stack of serendipity. This way, you know you need to at least cast one more flash heal when your aura is not displayed.

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Old 04/21/09, 8:10 AM   #998
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I just don't see the benefit of a +250 spellpower proc for a healer. I'm running 2800+ spellpower now, so it's a marginal gain to a couple of spells, in place of a reasonably good mana proc. If you don't want to use Darkglow, switch to +23 Haste instead. At least it's always on.
Wouldn't Lightweave be more beneficial to a Discipline healer than either of the other two alternatives being mentioned? Considering shields don't overheal you would get the full effect of your +250SP?

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Old 04/21/09, 9:56 AM   #999
Elimbras
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Originally Posted by Ayreon View Post
What is a good addon to keep track of Serendipity stacks? I tried Power Auras but it won't show the number of stacks I have.
I used 3 Power auras events, one for each number of stacks. They are of the same shape, same dimension, same location, but their color changes depending on the number of stacks.

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Old 04/21/09, 10:13 AM   #1000
Feebis
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Originally Posted by Elimbras View Post
I used 3 Power auras events, one for each number of stacks. They are of the same shape, same dimension, same location, but their color changes depending on the number of stacks.
That's a brilliant idea. Is there a way to get the timer to work with it? I couldn't seem to.

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