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Old 05/21/09, 3:49 PM   #1176
Zaq
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Buff Mod

I was wondering if anyone could suggest an addon for tracking just raidbuffs. I've been using PerfectRaid just to track Fort/Spi/Shadprot and that's a bit overkill. I don't want to see renews or PWS, just the long buffs that I'm responsible for, and I haven't found a good set up for that yet.

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Old 05/21/09, 4:13 PM   #1177
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Originally Posted by Arche View Post
Quick question for those with hard mode experience: what raid-buffed health pool should priests shoot for going in? I imagine it's the same for holy and shadow, but feel free to differentiate in your response if that's not the case. Thanks!
My experience has been that if your gear is good enough to be doing the hard mode, it will naturally have enough stamina on it. That's even given the basic gearing heuristic of "minimize the stamina on your items given two comparable choices". I think I'm around 23k buffed.

For the record, I've gotten more mileage from having Spell Warding than Divine Fury. Once you make the commitment of "No, I'm really not ever casting Greater Heal", the 10% damage reduction is equivalent to having both 10% more health and 10% more healing received. It's like having a 25.3k health pool that's easier to top off. I strongly recommend a full 5 points in Spell Warding over Divine Fury. After all, if you're casting enough greater heals for Divine Fury to matter, you are probably tank healing, which means Discipline would be the better spec.

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Old 05/21/09, 4:55 PM   #1178
constantius
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Originally Posted by Zaq View Post
I was wondering if anyone could suggest an addon for tracking just raidbuffs. I've been using PerfectRaid just to track Fort/Spi/Shadprot and that's a bit overkill. I don't want to see renews or PWS, just the long buffs that I'm responsible for, and I haven't found a good set up for that yet.
If you mean tracking of Fort/Spi/SProt on the entire raid, you can configure GRID to show icons when those buffs are missing on anyone. It just pops up a tiny PWF icon if someone loses Fort (say, after a BRez). That's the "Easiest" way to do it in terms of minimized screen real-estate.

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Old 05/21/09, 7:29 PM   #1179
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Edited. Comment was too complex for simple q/a thread. Please delete.

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Old 05/22/09, 10:03 AM   #1180
Rachellie
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Mind Control Practice for Insp Raz fight

Anyone suggest a non-instance area that Shadow Priests can go to practice MC DKs like the ones in the Inspector Razuvious fight to get used to the Taunt & Bone shield options? Its tough in mid Boss battle to have someone inexperienced work it out.

Thanks!

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Old 05/22/09, 10:43 AM   #1181
windcape
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They work like any other vehicle boss. To get an idea of how Mind Control works, try it out in a regular duel.
It'll help you get to get a feeling about the range.

Wouldn't be to worried about it, it's practical impossible to fail it. And if you do, blame someone else !-)

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Old 05/22/09, 11:05 AM   #1182
Triton
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I could use a little refresher; as Disc, do I need to worry about keeping Renew ticking on tanks or is it not worth the GCD/mana to cast it? I didn't really use it at all in T7 content, favoring my Penance/Flash Heal/PoM, but was curious if anything might have changed post-3.1 that would make it more valuable. (I don't spec for Imp. Renew.)

I get the sense that it doesn't hurt to throw a Renew out if I have the mana and a GCD to spare, but I don't need to go out of my way to ensure as much uptime on it as I might have with different encounters/specs in the past.

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Old 05/22/09, 11:40 AM   #1183
Rachellie
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Understand how MC works just was looking for some MOBs like the Death Knights in the Raz fight to train on to make the taunt and bone shield usage more aware.


Thanks!

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Old 05/22/09, 1:33 PM   #1184
Aeshun
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I don't believe there is a mob like that, Rachellie. However, the commands are simple enough. If you have DBM, it will warn you when the other shield has 5 seconds left and that is your cue to taunt and then bone shield. If you have it down you can also choose to auto attack and that one DPS move they do.

Triton: The healing from Renew can help at times but as disc it is really pretty negligible. You can spend more time using Flash Heal, Penance, PoM, or PW: S on the tank(s) or help out with the raid healing with some shieldage. When I heal disc I'll use Renew if no one else is taking damage and I have a free GCD, otherwise I pretty much ignore it.

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Old 05/22/09, 1:40 PM   #1185
Zaq
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Renew is an extra buffer, but is pretty underwhelming. Most of the time you can skip w/o worry because of how good the rest of what we can do is. Plus, off-shielding someone who might take raid damage is probably a better use of the gcd.

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Old 05/23/09, 10:10 PM   #1186
christos0b
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Anyone done the math on the changed Divine Hymn ?

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Old 05/24/09, 7:26 AM   #1187
ayaelael
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Hi, this is my first post on your boards although i've been browsing them for quite a while. I was basically wondering if you have any suggestion or comment on the way priests (or me actually) could improve healing output against druids. It seems to me that they're now really high on every meter and are very mana efficient as they barely go oom. Here's a hodir hard mode wws tries of this week Wow Web Stats i was on raid healing and still ended up looking like a slacker :/ So my question is if i did something wrong or if druids are actually a bit op atm, and before you say meters don't mean everything ,which i agree on, my point is that we were both on same task.
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Old 05/24/09, 7:42 AM   #1188
The Not So Evil
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Looks pretty simple to me. Hodir's Frozen Blows favor Heal over Time effects.

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Old 05/24/09, 8:35 AM   #1189
ayaelael
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well poh healing frozen blows isn t that bad, but still mine was an overall comment

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Old 05/24/09, 9:33 AM   #1190
The Not So Evil
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If you just want to beat him, you could change Glyph of Flash Heal to Glyph of Prayer of Healing, and change your healing strategy to only land 1 Prayer of Healing on a group every 6 seconds.

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Old 05/24/09, 8:45 PM   #1191
moowalk
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Originally Posted by windcape View Post
They work like any other vehicle boss. To get an idea of how Mind Control works, try it out in a regular duel.
It'll help you get to get a feeling about the range.

Wouldn't be to worried about it, it's practical impossible to fail it. And if you do, blame someone else !-)
I pugged a naxx run over the weekend. The other MCing priest was.... lacking. I can confirm it's possible to just heal through the 10 seconds when you don't have bone armour up. If your mob dies, just pick another one.

Raz will run around one-shotting people while you recast MC but it's definitely doable with one priest.

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Old 05/25/09, 7:00 PM   #1192
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Originally Posted by Rachellie View Post
Anyone suggest a non-instance area that Shadow Priests can go to practice MC DKs like the ones in the Inspector Razuvious fight to get used to the Taunt & Bone shield options? Its tough in mid Boss battle to have someone inexperienced work it out.

Thanks!
The easiest way to do the Raz fight simply is to make a focus macro. Have the RL put a raid icon on the two adds that will be MC'd (one by you, one by the other priest). Focus your target and place a macro with the below code on your hot bar (preferably attached to an easy to use hotkey, like 1 or 2). When its time to recast your MC, its a simple one button press to re-cast your MC. This will prevent the issues which can arrise from re-targeting the mob as it runs about in the complete cluster fuck of melee and other DK adds.

Macro:
/cast [target=focus] Mind Control

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Old 05/25/09, 11:20 PM   #1193
Enreekay
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Originally Posted by DeeNogger View Post
The easiest way to do the Raz fight simply is to make a focus macro.
Just hold CTRL while casting; it casts the spell on your focus.

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Old 05/26/09, 2:52 AM   #1194
Pulchellus
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Originally Posted by Enreekay View Post
Just hold CTRL while casting; it casts the spell on your focus.
Maybe for you. CTRL is my selfcast key. Not everyone uses default key bindings

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Old 05/26/09, 2:54 AM   #1195
wowsaa
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Gearing Question

Hey, I'm gearing for Ulduar 10, and I'm not quite sure how to go about it. I feel I know my class well enough to know which is better for me. I'm also aware of the BiS for T7 (Nidaba's thread), but are there any guidelines, or perhaps stat weightings that I would be able to use to help me gear up?

edit: I'm holy, with the cookie-cutter spec in Nidaba's thread again haha.

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Old 05/26/09, 7:30 AM   #1196
Forces
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Originally Posted by wowsaa View Post
Hey, I'm gearing for Ulduar 10, and I'm not quite sure how to go about it. I feel I know my class well enough to know which is better for me. I'm also aware of the BiS for T7 (Nidaba's thread), but are there any guidelines, or perhaps stat weightings that I would be able to use to help me gear up?

edit: I'm holy, with the cookie-cutter spec in Nidaba's thread again haha.
Intellect is your friend. At least, more so then spirit. Not much has changed since 3.0;

You still want spellpower, crit and haste. Still going after intellect and spirit.

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Old 05/26/09, 10:36 AM   #1197
BladeDaddy
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Originally Posted by DeeNogger View Post
The easiest way to do the Raz fight simply is to make a focus macro. Have the RL put a raid icon on the two adds that will be MC'd (one by you, one by the other priest). Focus your target and place a macro with the below code on your hot bar (preferably attached to an easy to use hotkey, like 1 or 2). When its time to recast your MC, its a simple one button press to re-cast your MC. This will prevent the issues which can arrise from re-targeting the mob as it runs about in the complete cluster fuck of melee and other DK adds.

Macro:
/cast [target=focus] Mind Control
This code isn't great, but it's works OK for the fight. Before the fight, target the add from out of range, use your alt key and then use this macro to focus on the add. Whenever you want to MC, just click this macro. It will re-MC the add and then re-target Rax. If your add dies, target the next add, hold down alt, and use this macro.

#show Mind Control
/focus [modifier:alt]; [target=focus,noexists];[target=focus, dead]; [target=focus, help]
/cast [target=focus] Mind Control
/target Instructor Razuvious

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Old 05/26/09, 5:27 PM   #1198
Jorak
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Originally Posted by wowsaa View Post
Hey, I'm gearing for Ulduar 10, and I'm not quite sure how to go about it. I feel I know my class well enough to know which is better for me. I'm also aware of the BiS for T7 (Nidaba's thread), but are there any guidelines, or perhaps stat weightings that I would be able to use to help me gear up?

edit: I'm holy, with the cookie-cutter spec in Nidaba's thread again haha.
Any such weightings tend to vary both by gear and playstyle, but here are the self-calculated weights I've been using:

Loot Rank for WotLK

Lootrank's modeling of trinkets is pretty sketchy, so I built my own list using the same weights:

1. Spark of Hope 155.24
2. Show of Faith 153.25
3. Soul of the Dead 138.47
4. Pandora's Plea 130.15
5. Illustration of the Dragonsoul 127.5
6. Scale of Fates 124.7
7. Eye of the Broodmother 124.08
8. Sif's Remembrance 121.5
9. Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Int) 119.13
10. The Egg of Mortal Essence 110.44
11. Forethought Talisman 98.25
12. Majestic Dragon Figurine 92.17

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Old 05/27/09, 3:44 AM   #1199
alayire
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WTLK fade.

I've searched before posting and found little mention of this.
Question: does pre-FADING still work?

before wtlk fading reduced threat by a static amount thus at the start of the pull would get you a negative amount of threat on the mobs tables, meaning for the time the fade lasted you could do alot of threat and still be on negative threat hence not pull agro.

latest reports however indicate the new wtlk fade simply sets your threat at 0. hence any new threat will be built from that value and any threat move you make leaves you exposed to taking agro(especially in pull conditions).

if however fade sets the threat to 0 for the entire duration, pre-fading could in theory still work, but that really seems highly unlikely .. so i'd like some input on this matter.

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Old 05/27/09, 4:49 AM   #1200
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Fade - Spell - World of Warcraft

You can go negative and you lose the modifier when it wears off. It's incredibly easy to understand.

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