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Old 06/03/09, 7:42 PM   #1226
constantius
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Ideal amounts of spellpower for discipline is basically "as much as you can get". I run 2700 raid-buffed spellpower in my disc set, and I'd love to push that up +300 or +400. Spellpower and crit rock for Disc, in as much quantity as you can get.

As far as the metagems, I believe I did an analysis of them in the Compendium OP, but here's another one:
Insightful Earthsiege Diamond
21 intellect, raid-buffed = 23 (holy) or 26.5 (disc)
Proc = 600 mana, 15 sec ICD, 5% chance to proc. Total of ~ 75Mp5.

Ember Skyflare Diamond
2% intellect matches 26.5 intellect @ 1325 raid-buffed intellect pre-meta, or roughly BiS Ulduar gear across the board. I run ~ 1325 *with* meta right now, and I gem heavily for intellect. Easier to get to this point if you have [Pandora's Plea] or similar, of course.
25 spellpower, flat. No scaling.

So you can match the static intellect with the 2% intellect fairly "trivially", assuming you have good Ulduar gear. However, there's no world where 25 spellpower > 75 Mp5, even for Disc. If you find you absolutely 100% never run out of mana, then by all means try it out. Otherwise, IED is the best metagem, hands down.

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Old 06/04/09, 12:19 AM   #1227
Alighieri
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Question about spell pen, as I didn't find the answer by searching the forums: Is it possible to get a player to *negative* resist? Or is 0 the floor?

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Old 06/04/09, 12:19 AM   #1228
Tiane
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Originally Posted by Arkani View Post
In terms of professions;

- What would you say is the best profession(s) for PVE?
- PVP?
- Both?
No one answered this question for PvE so I'd like to hear it.

So far I've been told for healing Tailoring is one of the highest returns. Which other profession would be suggested alongside that (for pve purposes, not synergy)?

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Old 06/04/09, 1:23 AM   #1229
constantius
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If you're talking PvE healing, my personal feeling is Tailoring + JCing. For PvE dps, it's now Tailoring + JC/LW/Ench.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 06/04/09, 1:33 AM   #1230
ildon
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Originally Posted by Alighieri View Post
Question about spell pen, as I didn't find the answer by searching the forums: Is it possible to get a player to *negative* resist? Or is 0 the floor?
Since around 1.4 or so, it has not been possible for players to drop a target to negative resists.

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Old 06/04/09, 10:02 AM   #1231
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I have my PW:S bound to a mouse button and for some reason I am unable to cast it through a mouseover macro - the cursor just changes to a 'hand' as when you have no target selected. It works fine when bound to a key though. Does anyone know if there is any way to make it work with a mouse button as well?

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Old 06/04/09, 10:07 AM   #1232
constantius
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It works just fine for me on mouseover. Of course, I use the Logitech software to bind the extra mouse buttons to keybind combinations (for example, left-click on the middle mouse wheel is CTRL+ALT+NumPad9). I then map those keybinds in WoW using Clique, and they work flawlessly. You might want to try something like this and see if it solves your problem.

As well, you are trying to PWS someone in your raid, yes? If not, that explains your issue. :p

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Old 06/04/09, 1:22 PM   #1233
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Originally Posted by Headhuntress View Post
Rapture does not work on Vezax but still the mana reduction talents of Discipline and Mental Strength are enough. Vezax only has single target damage if you are doing it right anyway.
Actually, my experience has been different. During our Vezax attempts/kills, Rapture has restored mana to me, but only 209 per shield, instead of the usual 650-700.

Here is a link to the WWS that demonstrates this.

I came here to ask if anyone knew A) whether Rapture is supposed to work, and B) why it only restores 30% of its original value.

This was extremely helpful when we fought Hard Mode Vezax on 10-man.

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Old 06/04/09, 2:47 PM   #1234
constantius
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Yes, Rapture is supposed to work. It's reduced for the same reason that ret paladin and enh shaman mana return mechanics are reduced. Why 30%? You'd have to ask a dev that.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 06/04/09, 5:39 PM   #1235
free2k
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whats the best race for a priest?

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Old 06/04/09, 6:46 PM   #1236
Cleopatra
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I am fairly new to disc and I seem to be running out of mana. I heard as disc it is hard to run oom. So without looking at my WWS or my Gear/spec(Because I feel like I am gearing/specing correctly) what is the best way to keep my mana up?

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Old 06/04/09, 6:49 PM   #1237
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Originally Posted by Cleopatra View Post
I am fairly new to disc and I seem to be running out of mana. I heard as disc it is hard to run oom. So without looking at my WWS or my Gear/spec(Because I feel like I am gearing/specing correctly) what is the best way to keep my mana up?


If you don't provide us with any information how are we supposed to help you?

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Old 06/04/09, 7:03 PM   #1238
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Originally Posted by Cleopatra View Post
I am fairly new to disc and I seem to be running out of mana. I heard as disc it is hard to run oom. So without looking at my WWS or my Gear/spec(Because I feel like I am gearing/specing correctly) what is the best way to keep my mana up?
If you spam PW:S on the raid and the shields don't get consumed at once you don't get the full rupture mana back, because it has an inner cd of 12s.

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Old 06/04/09, 9:52 PM   #1239
Cleopatra
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Originally Posted by Nurru View Post
If you don't provide us with any information how are we supposed to help you?

Well I do not want you to take gear into account. I am just asking for basic spell rotations.



If you spam PW:S on the raid and the shields don't get consumed at once you don't get the full rupture mana back, because it has an inner cd of 12s.
I assumed that when other peoples shields are consumed I do not get the mana return, they do? Basically my logic may be flawed and I would like to know should I keep bubble on myself for mana return? or will others also refund me mana?

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Old 06/05/09, 11:27 AM   #1240
mlanewal
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Illidan
Rapture

This is the main reason Disc is so efficient. But, without you saying anything about your spec or how you're playing, your question is really futile.

EDIT: I would also stop gemming Int/mp5 and pick up Int/Spirit gems if you're hellbent on using green gems.

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Old 06/05/09, 5:38 PM   #1241
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Originally Posted by free2k View Post
whats the best race for a priest?
There's no answer for that unless you give faction and whether you'll be healing or shadow.

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Old 06/06/09, 9:02 AM   #1242
Mandrus
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I've been lurking on priest forums for a little while and decided to roll one. Dinged 80 gathered some items and I have one really important question. In TheDoctor's thread Discipline Healing Compendium v3.1 there are following stat weights:
  1. Intelligence - 0.65
  2. Spirit - 0.22
  3. Haste Rating - 0.59
  4. Crit Ratng - 0.48
  5. Spell Power - 1.0
  6. Mp5 - 0.67

Now my question is can I use following wowhead stat weighing: LINK

Thanks for anwsers in advance

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Old 06/06/09, 5:32 PM   #1243
Healixor
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As a disc priest I don't know which head enchant to take:
[Arcanum of Blissful Mending] vs. [Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]

* Intelligence - 0.65
* Spirit - 0.22
* Haste Rating - 0.59
* Crit Ratng - 0.48
* Spell Power - 1.0
* Mp5 - 0.67
20*0.48=9.6
8*0.67=5.36
So the crit would be better for Disc. However with my current gear (buying T8.5 head), Rawr suggests 8 MP5.

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Old 06/07/09, 1:08 AM   #1244
Zaq
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The only reason to take the mp5 chant in my opinion would be if you're constantly running out of mana.

"I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions. I'm just, like, inviting you to join me on the bandwagon of my own uncertainty." -Taylor Mali

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Old 06/07/09, 2:35 AM   #1245
constantius
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For Disc especially, and for Holy secondary, the spell/crit enchant is just flat-out superior. Mp5 is a horrible stat, and I'd be happy if I had precisely 0 on my gear.

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein

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Old 06/07/09, 6:28 AM   #1246
Mandrus
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So I assume I should gear up taking SP > Crit > Int > Haste/MP5 > Spi in such order?

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Old 06/07/09, 11:49 AM   #1247
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Originally Posted by Mandrus View Post
So I assume I should gear up taking SP > Crit > Int > Haste/MP5 > Spi in such order?
Something like Spellpower and Crit > Int and haste > mp5 and spirit may be more accurate in my opinion.

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Old 06/07/09, 11:50 AM   #1248
Drakkyn
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haste > crit

i read that haste is better than crit. so somewhere in the list should be haste > crit.

I can post the math, if needed.

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Old 06/07/09, 12:44 PM   #1249
Mandrus
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That's my concern. I really have to choose alot between haste/crit gear. But I've also read that haste cap is 11% for disc. And crit well, it gives me bigger heals and creates shield from DA.

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Old 06/07/09, 12:58 PM   #1250
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Originally Posted by Drakkyn View Post
i read that haste is better than crit. so somewhere in the list should be haste > crit.

I can post the math, if needed.
We're talking about Disc. priests here Drakkyn, just to clear that up. So keep in mind that you already get 6% haste from talents, and of course Borrowed Time...

Anyways, here's a reasonable summary of it. Discipline Healing Compendium v3.1, though there are some question marks about his maths. The simple answer is as a Disc priest you will inevitably have enough haste on your gear without even trying. Somewhere between 200-250 will be plenty, so you are more than likely going to be better off concentrating on Spellpower and/or Crit.

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