You will use dispersion for Algalon as SPs are the best soaker for the bang.
On a separate note, for hard mode raiding (even 10 man), dispersion is always a nice thing to have ready, just for the mitigation effect in emergency cases. Not dying is always a good thing.
You might also take into account that even though your mana might suffice for DPS, you might prevent a wipe after a late healer death by popping dispersion to gain mana, then heal for the last 2 minutes of the fight.
Originally Posted by Pewsey
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I do not need dispersion, I never used it when I had it. Should I just put a point into it just because my other option is barely 7.02 dps?
IF is not your only option. You will almost certainly gain more dps by putting points into Improved Shadowform - it doesn't take many lost mindflay ticks to add up to more dps than spirit tap gives you (but with 2/2 Imp Shadowform + conc aura, you never lose any).
You could take those points from elsewhere, and continue to not use dispersion, but those other places lose you things that can't be replaced. The mana from Spirit Tap can be, hence why we take Dispersion.
This is sort of on the topic if you should take desperate prayer, body and soul, or spell warding. Some people think they can outplay their way out of a dangerous situation, I wonder if these people have done any 25-raid hard modes (10-raid often doesn't often deal out nearly as much damage, but easily could). You can't outplay bad RNG and you should take whatever ability you can that will keep you from dying. DPS have this horrible tendency to shoot first and dodge later, dead dps do no damage. Knowing what tools you have to keep yourself alive and being able to use it defines a good player. I've seen too many moments where someone lacking a particular ability ends up dying because they thought they were too good to need it.
I do not need dispersion, I never used it when I had it. Should I just put a point into it just because my other option is barely 7.02 dps?
We did our first kill on the faction champions yesterday. While I was disc on the kill, the two other tries we had I was shadow and I was really happy to have dispersion and I often wished it had a shorter cooldown.
When the retribution paladin, the death knight and the warrior decide they want to target you, it's the only thing that will help you untill your healers realize you're being targetted.
I agree with the sentiments regarding desperate prayer, body and soul, and spell warding. I just dropped 5/5 Divine Fury for 2/2 Healing Focus and 3/5 Spell Warding, the difference in damage taken was very noticable throughout the HM's and especially Algalon. Also Desperate Prayer has saved my life several times and is really nice to pop right after a battle rez when alot of the fights have heavy enough AE componants to just one-shot you back down after a rez. My experience with Body and Soul is somewhat limited because I'm Disc full-time except for Mimiron Hardmode, but on that fight its very useful to assist in avoiding frost bombs and fires.
I came up with the Darkmoon Card as ~93 mp5 and the Tears as ~118 mp5.
Quoting myself as I redid the math with slightly different assumptions and came up with the Darkmoon Card being a little more valuable than I did previously. Also posting the math I used now. The numbers below are for Holy.
Tears of the Vanquished:
84 Intellect: 84*.792=66.53 MP5
Proc: 500/10=50 MP5
Total = 66.53+50=116.53 MP5
Also when comparing these two keep in mind that if you aren't receiving Replenishment because it's not present in the raid or you get the buff then it affects the Darkmoon card more adversely then the Tears. On the other hand if you time your Shadowfiend with a Darkmoon Proc you'll get a nice increase in effectiveness.
Also to compare, two other starter trinkets and one out of 10 man Ulduar:
Assumptions are for Spark: 2.5 casts/5 seconds, Tears: Effect procs 5 seconds after 45 second internal cooldown (procs from HoT Ticks, PoM bounces, etc. in addition to casts), Je’Tse’s Bell: 15 seconds after 45 second internal cooldown (only procs from casts).
I have the [Spark of Hope] equiped. I am However confused as to which one would be best.
I was wondering in the [item=Tears of the Vanquished] would be better to get and use that as my second trinket, or continue to use the Egg because i like the haste proc and the SP is nice.
I am quiet forgetfull with "clickable" trinkets though. I ask this because I have been out of the healing game for some while. Any help would be great.
For example, does it proc with our dot crits? And if so, wouldn't that make this trinket much better for a shadowpriest then any other dps caster? ( most chances to crit per second, ect. ) And about how much of a dps ( or pp ) increase would it be?
Sorry if this has been said somewhere, I haven't been able to find an answer or get any sims to reliably help me out here... but I'm leveling a shadow priest and fumbling with a second profession.. already have in mind what I'd like, but I just need to ask... are the hand mounted pyro rockets a dps loss from +28 SP for shadow? I assume the hyperspeed accelerators are definitely worse from my understanding of the spec.
Sorry if this has been said somewhere, I haven't been able to find an answer or get any sims to reliably help me out here... but I'm leveling a shadow priest and fumbling with a second profession.. already have in mind what I'd like, but I just need to ask... are the hand mounted pyro rockets a dps loss from +28 SP for shadow? I assume the hyperspeed accelerators are definitely worse from my understanding of the spec.
Haste is not amazing. Tailoring is the best primary profession. For second profession, take anything that gives you the bonus purely in spell power. Options include Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Enchanting, and Alchemy.
Haste is not amazing. Tailoring is the best primary profession. For second profession, take anything that gives you the bonus purely in spell power. Options include Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Enchanting, and Alchemy.
Yeah, I realize as much, is there a thread or sim I'm missing that compares the professions? More or less I understand that it's an inferior profession ( and I'd imagine the rocket gloves > haste gloves ) , but I'm curious as to how much of a DPS loss it is over enchanting..
Assuming that the rockets do not scale with SP and Crit (I didn't do a whole lot of research into this), the Rockets do roughly 40.82 DPS. According to Simcraft, one SP is equivalent to 1.56 DPS, meaning that the 28 SP enchant results in a 43.68 DPS increase.
Yeah, I realize as much, is there a thread or sim I'm missing that compares the professions? More or less I understand that it's an inferior profession ( and I'd imagine the rocket gloves > haste gloves ) , but I'm curious as to how much of a DPS loss it is over enchanting..
Tailoring / Enchanting is the "easiest" dual dps profession setup (no gathering professions required).
Alchemy (if you can bring yourself to level it without herbalism; leveling enchanting isn't easy either) is the same bonus as enchanting with some much nicer perks - less flasks.
At the moment I would heavily recommend human for: spirit racial, diplomacy racial, every man for himself racial. All three have uses in PVE. For pvp Every Man For Himself is very strong. Stoneform (dwarf racial) has been nerfed so it's not as strong anymore, and shadowmeld isn't strong in pve.
A lot of this depends on the new Worgen racials and how the stat rebalancing works out. For right now, Human is probably the best for 5% spirit. But we don't really know how important Spirit will be next expansion or if the previewed Worgen racials will make it into Cataclysm. We'll know more after a month or two of Cataclysm open beta testing.
There's also been rumblings about "rebalancing" of the racials, whatever that means. Maybe they'll finally just open a questline with the Titan Glyphs and let us pick 2 racials from a list of 10.
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein
Disc priest regularly healing 10 mans with a druid/shaman as my other healers.
I generally heal one of the tanks and use BT'd PoH during AoE.
My question lies in regards to renew and PoM, currently I try to use PoM quite often, but I can't seem to find a good balance as to how often i cast it, any suggestions? As for renew... I find I don't use it at all, is this a mistake?
Disc priest regularly healing 10 mans with a druid/shaman as my other healers.
I generally heal one of the tanks and use BT'd PoH during AoE.
My question lies in regards to renew and PoM, currently I try to use PoM quite often, but I can't seem to find a good balance as to how often i cast it, any suggestions? As for renew... I find I don't use it at all, is this a mistake?
I recommend configuring grid to show which target currently has your Mending. You should recast mending if A) no one is in immediate danger of death and B) mending is stuck on a target that doesn't frequently take damage. It's a Good Thing To Do(tm) but not your highest priority.
Regarding renew, it's lackluster for discipline. Even a renew with no overheal for any of the five ticks will only barely beat a Flash Heal, given that Discipline has a number of Flash Heal talents (and glyph) and no support for Renew. The only time you should cast renew is if the entire raid is topped off, no one needs a preemptive shield, and you have a surplus of mana. In that case, you might as well throw one on the tank.
Disc priest regularly healing 10 mans with a druid/shaman as my other healers.
I generally heal one of the tanks and use BT'd PoH during AoE.
My question lies in regards to renew and PoM, currently I try to use PoM quite often, but I can't seem to find a good balance as to how often i cast it, any suggestions? As for renew... I find I don't use it at all, is this a mistake?
I am assuming you toss shields after weakened soul debuff.
PoM on CD, within reason. Way back, I think it was proven that 2 jumps would make the PoM more efficient than 2x FH. If you have no mana issues, the number of jumps does not matter. Next to consider is if it is an efficient use of a GCD. If you are that concerned about the use of a GCD, then the tank is taking a lot damage, it will jump off him, and then its simply a matter of will it jump some more. What else could you cast in that GCD that could heal more than a single PoM jump? A perfect segue into your question about renew.
As an efficient use of a GCD, renew should be dead last compared to pretty much any spell you can cast as Disc. Our 'hot' as disc is the mitigation we provide through our shields (besides, your Druid covers hots). Ask yourself, in a healer constrained fight, where the tank is in danger of dying to back to back hits in a span of 2s, what would you spend your GCD on? Renew?
Myself, I have banished renew from my keybinds. If I want to use it, its on a toolbar, I need to hunt it down and click on it. The perfect use of renew is, in my opinion, when I want to be lazy and it doesn't matter what I cast.
On a somewhat related note, I hope that all disc healers, if not all priests, have PW:S, Weakened Soul debuff, and Prayer of Mending all on their unit frames. All three of these things are very important to keep track of.
(Personally, I have PW:S on the bottom left, WS on the bottom middle, and PRoM on the bottom right)
BT'd POH is good on AOE, but I also hope that you're casting that shield on a useful target (like that poor clothie, or yourself)
Okay, so we have a priest in our guild, and since I haven't played a priest myself, I'm not entirely too sure, but I think he's bad. His only excuse for being low on Recount is that his class is underpowered. I don't know if it's the meter itself that could be the problem (since it doesn't take into account the amount absorbed by PW:S and to my understanding the meters aren't perfectly accurate), but since he's holy, I don't figure it'd make as big a discrepancy in his healing as what I'm seeing.
Have druids and resto shams really become that much better than priests? I'd think not, but I'm not a healer.
Holy Priests shouldn't have a problem being in the top of the meters. But it's hard to determine the skill of a player, purely based on meter readings. A wowmeter log would be the best tool to evaluate that, seeing as we could see which spells he uses.
But generally in my guild, we have resto druids on top, holy priest usually third, paladins following that and me on bottom as disc
Besides, if you're carrying too many healers, he may simply have nothing to do
08/24/09, 12:34 PM
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