pocketmage

I wouldn't bother regemming if I were him. It's an expensive adjustment for a negligible gain. For top end gear, min/maxing is good, but if he is running ToC, most of what he has will get replaced in short order.

Though I do agree with enchanting the gear.

 

Hegen

You disagree because you did not share the perspective. The person asking is Ulduar.10 geared with just two ToC normal pieces. They two-heal. As holy on that equipment level, you will not have the sustained single target throughput that you need to keep both tanks safely alive. In that setup and gear level, the holy priest will need to spam GH.

Healing the tanks in P1 is the *only* healing challenge in beasts. If you go with 3 healers, it doesn't matter at all who the raid healer is - the job is a pretty simple one as long as reflexes are ok. Being able to assist with shield+Penance during damage bursts is far superior in a two-healer scenario.

"Ferals are obscenely good at soaking balls." - Nidaba

 

Celsius

I don't think "Ulduar.10 geared" is a fair assessment of my gear at all. Looked through it briefly and excluding trinkets all but three pieces are above that iLvl. Just saying... U25 would be about right, as far as averages go.

But anyhow, I agree about the holy priest being of not much use on beasts, at least in 10 man. Raid damage is minimal. For two-healing a holy pala would probably be a better coupling for a disc priest.

 

Psullus

First of all hello!

Secondly I am fairly confident that my English is good enough to understand all the forum rules that are implemented. However my mathematics are not. I spent over 2 hours trying through all those numbers to come down to the basic healing question. Discipline or Holy? Personally for the last year I've gone with Discipline but apparently Holy works too.
Without maths the way I see it, is that Holy is AoE healing and Discipline single target. However my raiding experience is limited, as far as WotLK is concerned. I still haven't visited Ulduar and beyond so I cannot really say if Holy is preferred over Disc in heavy raids. Of course many of you will tell me that it comes down to guild and its needs. Also as a disc priest I've paid little attention to spirit or not at all. I buffed crit in every way I could, along with some mp5. I do not want any of you grabbing my hand and showing me how to heal or set up my priest. The only thing I want is a little bit of knowledge I lost somewhere along the way and a solid advise if I am on the right path or not.

I am pretty sure that somewhere in these clockwork forums, the answer to my noob questions are answered. But to be entirely honest I can manage better words than numbers.The way I see it, I will be getting at least a point for such a post but please bear with the newbie.

Thanks in advance.

 

• tsigo

Both? It depends entirely on what you need to heal.

With a few exceptions, Discipline is for tank healing, Holy is for raid healing. I switch back and forth between the two specs frequently in a raid instance.

 

bamfheals

So I know how to fix it when I mess up my enchaning or geming lol

 

Hegen

That wasn't meant to offend you, I just had a look at the stats total, which were about the same as mine when I set foot in ToC. Ulduar.10 raiding includes hard mode, not to forget badge items. ilvl 226 at the end of Ulduar.10 is attainable.

"Ferals are obscenely good at soaking balls." - Nidaba

 

Lhyssa

I was going through some parses and saw something strange to me on the healing breakdowns. Would the 2pc t9 bonus be enough to make PoM upwards of 30% of a holy priest's healing for Hard Mode.25 Beasts and Jaraxxus (assuming a raid healing, tank emergency assist assignment) with no other spell hitting more than around 22%? (general breakdown being FH at ~20-22% and other AoE heals being in the mid-teens)

PoM is a great spell, I'm just not used to seeing it be such a large portion of someone's healing to the exclusion of other choices outside of Sapphiron. Plus, while I can think of a few situations in Beasts where it's nice to use (poison and bile in p2 for example), and one in Jaraxxus (infernal AoE), I just don't understand how it can be that much of her healing unless she's just bouncing it off the tank every seven seconds and having it hit others through the random AoE in those fights and not doing enough healing through other spells to have it push PoM off as her main healing contributer.

 

v0053504

Im passing throught a lot problems while choosing the best gems I should use, I say that because in the Nax content I could just fill it with SP and enjoy. Now in the Ulduar/Toc content, there is no MP5 in my gear, so I cant fill with SP or I wont have mana reg. I've seen a few full intellect priestess lately, but I guess its just for disc, and I'm Holy. I tried using a lot of spirit in the PTR but I also didnt like it. Do you have any tips of what is gonna be the future of the priest gear, what should I focus now so I can have a good mana reg (or pool) but also enough SP so anyone will die in my hands?

Hope you can help, ty all!

Ps: If anyone is interested in seeing my armory look for Kânyta in Gurubashi (like in the profile) =)! (i guess have my heal gear on)

 

Seluna

Imo [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] should be your choice if you have mana issues.

Int is your regen stat. Pure Int would be a bit much though, try to socket int/sp combinations for example.

WotLK Healing Compendium v3.2: Same Old Thing if there are further questions concerning gemming.
Edit: Try to get another regen trinket and drop the pure mp5 trinket.

 

Kashir

I'm not sure why you consider a high PoM healing % to be a problem?

From our Beasts.25H kill this week, Renew, CoH and PoM were all between 25-26% of my healing (with the T9-2 bonus). In phase 1, PoM bounces between the three tanks. In phase 2, damage is very bursty, and PoM is perfectly suited to healing melee clump debuffs. In phase 3, again, PoM will bounce nicely among the breath targets.

I can't compare for Jarraxus, because we went with double Disc.

PoM scales obscenely well with high SP, and is by far our highest HPM and HPS (assuming it bounces). Hell, even if it doesn't bounce, it's still higher HPS and HPM than Flash Heal and possibly Renew, depending on overhealing. The only time I don't use it every cooldown are if I'm intentionally saving it for something (Icehowl frost breath, for example). Making heavy use of our most powerful spell seems to make sense to me!

 

StormyParis

Regarding the Holy vs Disc question: Holy = Raid, Disc = Tank.

I personally have the two specs, and switch several times during a run. Comparing throughput is a bit pointless since the roles are quite distinct, and healing meters results will vary a lot fight-by-fight. Regen feels about the same, with Disc having more of an incentive to go OOM Shielding everyone, but Holy overhealing more.

There are other considerations, though:
- on fights where the tanks take little damage, but the raid a lot (Twins...), Holy can tank heal AND help very nicely on the raid. I spam Circle and PoM on the tank on CD, keep up Renew on him, and Flash to get 3 stacks of the talent that makes Greater Heal / PoH faster (name ?).
- on fights with very bursty raid damage (Ignis, XT...), Disc's Shields can be more useful than Holy's group heals, even for raid healing: pre-Shield as many players as you can. On the other hand, on fights with very progressive, DOT-type raid damage (twins, Saphiron...) Holy's much better PoM shines.
- on very mobile fights, Disc suffers from lack of good instant heals: only Shield is really worth it, Renew is very lackluster, and PoM has a huge issue compared with Holy: Disc's PoM tends to land on a shielded target and sit there, instead of bouncing on quickly like Holy's. Compare that to Holy: Circle, PoM, Renew, and depending on your spec quite frequent instant Flashes are all good heals.
- You also have to adjust for the other healer(s), and try to complement them as much as possible. Go Holy if you're 2-healing with a Paladin or maybe Shaman, and focus on raid healing; go Disc if your partner is a Druid, and focus on the tank + pre-shielding the raid....

I'm easily 2-healing Coliseum-10, with either a Paladin of Druid, but switching specs pretty much each fight.

 

Senres

I agree with Kashir. Ever since Wrath began PoM has been 20-30% or more of my healing on most fights when I'm Holy. I generally use PoM on cooldown with a few exceptions depending on the mechanics of the fight. Even as Discipline PoM makes up a significant portion of my healing.

 

Imua

I think you may be discounting disc's shields on mobile and raid damage heavy fights. Putting shields on everyone in Twins is going to get used up because of the constant ticking DOT. Also, shields on mobile fights is not a bad thing. You also neglected Penance, which while not an instant heal, is fast and gets more healing out there than anything Holy has. (And if you're moving around, the fact that it's on CD is less noticeable)

It's important to note that both roles have their niches, but it's also very important to not get tunnel visioned into that niche. If you're running 10s and there's only 1 other healer, then you should switch to whatever is more useful to make up for the "deficiency" in your partner.

 

Lhyssa

I don't have an issue with it being the highest percentage necessarily, but the healer in question is our lowest performer, and no other heal was as close as PoM. No PoH, CoH, only FH was even close. I'm used to seeing more balanced spell make ups in parses is most of it, even from the healer in question.

But at least some of the numbers are due to the t9 2pc, so it's likely not having learned the fight as well yet plus the 2pc t9.

 

pocketmage

I think there is most certainly a lot of room for grey than that sort of binary assessment. My take on it is that Disc definitely wins over holy for tank healing, but depending on the type of raid dmg, Disc can do well there too.

Holy, in my eyes is a Hulk style brute force attack to raid healing but requires more raid support to pull off. Based off of my experience, Holy can go OOM much quicker than Disc can when push comes to shove while providing unparalleled HPS.


(It's called Serendipity)

And I agree with you here. Holy does very well on such fights.
I will add that, even on fights where tanks get hit hard, a holy priest assigned to raid can very easily incorporate some buffer healing across a couple tanks through the spells you mentioned.


Here is where I very much disagree with you. On such fights, I don't think any healing can compete with pre-Serendipity prepped PoM+CoH+PoHx2+CoH combo, or a variation of it. Especially when the dmg is predictable, and there are lulls inbetween the dmg spikes.

I've done Ignis and XT as both holy and disc, and while Disc can cheese it with shields to a degree, the HPS is lower than Holy's. Albeit and the expense that holy runs you oom quicker well going full steam. If you have the support of tide, an occasional Innervate, and well timed hymns and SF, it's very much the bread winner.

I've pulled off 7.5k HPS overall on both these fights as holy, and I've hit nearly 6k on Ignis as Disc once to my recollection, measured by WoL back when we did Ulduar, pre ToC gear.




A lot of this will have to do with exact raid makeup, but I find that Disc purely spamming PWS in highly mobile raid dmg fights to perform more than adequately. In fact this is the only time I'll raid heal as Disc.


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Though, I will mention that druids do fairly well as tank healers in high end gear. Nourish spam with full HoTs with the right glyph is some very sexy single target HPS.

In our 25 mans, I find it oddly hysterical that our resto shaman ends up tank healing and I'm exclusively assigned to raid as holy.

 

Kashir

If they're consistently underperforming, then by all means examine what they're doing wrong. That doesn't mean that using PoM on cooldown is a bad idea; merely that they could possibly be doing more in between cooldowns.

Honestly, it sounds more like they have a huge over-reliance on Flash Heal. It's probably the weakest of our core heals now, ignoring things like Greater Heal and Holy Nova which are rather situational. You probably need to encourage them to make heavier use of CoH, PoH and Renew. I used to entirely ignore Renew; but mana efficiency becomes less and less important, I've found it to be generally more effective to use Renew as our main filler spell over Flash Heal.

 

WildWill

Inner Focus

Something a lil off topic but as our raid has progressed further into the content, i am using more and more of the tools available to get by. One that i have never really seen a use for is Inner focus.

Is it something that should be used so it is always on CD or should it be used if you just need a crit heal? The only time i remember needing it is if i am healing the DK understudies against Instructor Razuvious and need to have bigger heals.

 

The Not So Evil

Personally I have made macros for Desperate Prayer and Divine Hymn that uses Inner Focus.

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◊ Cadfael

I have it macroed into my Mind Blast and Mind Sear casts for the shadow spec.

"Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through with the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet you act as if there were some sort of rightness in the universe by which it may be judged."

 

Makapuu

Not sure where to put this so I figured here would work.

Shield spam holy spec.

The power of instants and SoL procs mostly. BnS + shield spam would also be hilarious in a raid.

Spell Warding is filler. No GS; so would only work if the priest in question was not needed for such a CD.

This spec was first idea-a-fied by someone else then tweaked a bit to give it a bit more focus.

Opinions?

 

RootBreaker

What fight would this be better than a normal discipline or holy spec for?

Shield spamming is expensive, and is only sustainable because of rapture. Also, your shields will be weaker because you don't have borrowed time.

Usually when you sprint someone, you only need to sprint one person, because they got brain linked with someone across the room, or chased by an eye laser, or chased by Anub'arak or need to get their mob to the middle to blow up on Sara.

 

Kaacee

Does anyone have a good compilation for a healing and shadow UI? I've been switching back and forth a lot lately, and I could use a new UI.

 

GIJebus

One of the more easy macros I've used for the past year are harm/help macros. If you're targeting an enemy it'll use offensive spells. If you're targeting friendly or nothing, it'll be defensive spells. I try to pair up the spells with their mirror like pom/pain flashheal/smite gheal/mindblast etc.

Format:
/cast [harm] Offensive spell(rank x); Defensive spell(rank x)
Example:
/cast [harm] Shadow Word: Pain(Rank 12); Prayer of Mending(Rank 3)

I'm sure there's someway to add the tooltips and junk but I didn't see any reason to. Else you could always use dominos to autoswitch your bars when you go into shadowform.

 

• tsigo

#showtooltip at the top will show tooltips. You also don't need the ranks. If left out the highest rank is automatically chosen.