I use a few of these - mostly for pvping as disc. However I've stopped using them as shadow due to the tendancy to auto unshift me from shadowform. (I realise that you can turn this function off but I find it useful overall). Bar switching works much better when shadowform is thrown into the mix.

I have an Inner Focus+ Divine Hymn Macro that can be sued to create a really nice mana efficiency. Playing as holy i have really high regen (around 550 while casting as well as Solace of the fallen which is tacks on 128 mp5 totaling to around 678 while casting in a raid situation). My crit is also relatively high so when i start to channel i proc holy concentration nearly always if its already not proced. Therefore, my mp5 is at about 942 while channeling totaling which is going to total in right around 2k mana regened over the 8 seconds. Also in a tight situation like yogg saron where mana may be low, you just healed about 50k hps while gaining mana rather than burning it. So if you think about this inner focus can be very effective and not a wasted talent point.

Thanks andy, i have overlooked the mana saving part of Inner focus so twinning it with Divine hymm sounds like a life saver. Any chance i can nick your macro for it?

/cast Inner Focus
/cast Divine Hymn

? Inner Focus isn't on the GCD so that's all there is to it.

First off, thank you for all your answers. Even though, as a general rule, I knew that basic difference between Holy and Disc healing, I thought I should ask. As I stated in my first post my WotLK raid experience is limited. Like very limited. I usually play with a druid along in 10 mans (those be Naxx, OS, VoA the classics), I don't really know how to embark on something harder now that we are finally-sort of-ready for Ulduar. Since the druid is not high-end gear, my disc would complete him nicely I think.

But then again, most of the fights you described is like science fiction for me :P

On another matter I think I do not know the meaning of some words. For instance, what does lull mean? :P

Also since gearing up is not that hard nowadays, I think that I need to change nearly all of my gear. But as far as gloves are concerned I am at a dead end again. I don't really like haste, not over critical that is, so I'm staying with my T7,5 which buff crit while I can buy off emblems something substantially better. Am I really wrong about the way I feel for haste?

And once again, please forgive my noobness. All this time I played the priest based on trial and error, and after I leveled up and raided with a druid. I never really had any, for lack of a better word, mentor to this class. I am like a self-taught musician :P

Thanks in advance

Your attitude to haste has to be changed for Ulduar. We had that experience in our guild: during preparation to 3.1 one of our priests geared up for a lot of regen and very low haste (about 100 rating). He had to regem for pure haste until he changed the gear to be more or less useful in Ulduar. Your haste rating is even lower - 54. I really suggest you think twice and raise your haste to "soft disc cap" around 340 rating.

I agree with Mearis,

I have nothing on my gear apart from the basic stats the gear comes with for haste. I dont gem for it or enchant haste. I stack SP as much as i can with a little MP5 / spirit on the side. Some of the gems in my gear need updating i know. I find that within raids, the buffs account for the lack of haste and with a close to 1 second cast of FH, you cant go wrong. Borrow time for GH and penance for a tight spot.

I do have a little bit of crit, around 20% which helps with divine aegis but i dont gem that either. Pure SP is the way forward

Crusader orbs chest:

Since I've been readin spirit is pretty much useless for disc priests as it converts to low mp5. And that crit/haste is actually quite good. Isn't it more of an obvious choice to go for [Merlin's Robe] instead of [Royal Moonshroud Robe] as disc? I'm asking this because i'm gearing my alt still, and have not yet reached the 11% haste cap.

I was wondering after looking at many top dis priest that many were gemming for haste. but after reading about how has is not important because of enlightenment, in the dis threat, i was wondering if i could get some clarification on this topic.

The short version: Priests are super-versatile and the value of haste depends on your job.

The long version: Haste is good for certain spells, namely Greater Heal and Prayer of Healing, because even with Borrowed Time, these spells won't become faster than 1 second. However, there are other classes/specs that can arguably do this job better. Namely, a Paladin will make a better tank healer than a Greater Heal Disc priest, and if you're going to extensively use Prayer of Healing, you might as well spec Holy.

The real "niche" of the Discipline priest is with Power Word: Shield, which does not benefit from Haste or Crit, so if you're going to be spamming the raid with Shields and occasionally Prayer of Healing, then Spellpower is the best. Spellpower benefits everything, haste and crit benefit only a couple of things. Of course, you may choose to focus on those things depending on your raid composition/role.

P.S. If you're new to being a Disc Priest (or even Holy Priest) you probably don't need haste. You need either Intellect (depending on your current mana regen) or Spellpower. Once you're a more experienced priest, you should be able to make the judgement call on your own.

My Job as of now is MT healer, that is kinda why i was asking, i usually have ~42% crit raid buffed with 268 haste, i was wondering if i should re-gem, as i am sp and int mainly. i understand haste is an important stat, but for my role How much haste do you think i need.

At the very least, I would recommend dropping Your [Talisman of Resurgence]. You have [Solace of the Fallen] already, and have over 28k without buffs. That's plenty a mana pool for tank healing, imo. Get another trinket, either [Eye of the Broodmother] or [Illustration of the Dragon Soul].

No i was simply trying to find out if i was doing something wrong. simply as that; but i do enjoy your comments as i needed a good laugh today.


Edit* i Do have the eye of the broodmother i will try that one out.

This question has already been discussed in the Discipline Topic. You can find the answer here

Similar to an above question, am I right in assuming that [Royal Moonshroud Robe] beats out [Merlin's Robe] for Holy Priests? I usually go for items with Spirit because other classes don't get as much mileage out of Spirit as I do, but in this case I'm not quite sure I made the right choice.

I'm going for merlin's robe because I don't need more regen and can use more haste. I think it really just depends on what you are lacking. If you feel you have plenty of regen and haste then I guess Moonshroud is the way to go for the bonus SP you get from spirit.

Ok, just curious, but is it just me or did holy priest totally get screwed out of healing wands in 3.2? I have been dying to replace my wand but there just isn't a good holy wand out there in 3.2 content. Blizzard gave the dps a legit 245 wand but the healers got screwed outta that. So, as I have looked through 25 man toc loot tables several times I have found no wands at all. 10 man heroic drops a nice wand but it has no spr on it which is a total bummer. I mean a wand with no spirit is ok, but something with spr gives a holy priest regen and some sp so i mean a better wand wouild be nice blizzard. So is this just me or is there a good one out there? If so can i get a link? Thanks!

[Rod of Imprisoned Souls] is a fine Holy wand.

From what I've found from past tiers, and current itemization, holy priests will opt to lose spirit on 2-3 items to gain the beneficial stat increases from the item. Look at Torch for example.

I found this on WoW Wiki, I have no idea if this is accurate or up-to-date, but it's crucial to PvP.

Additional Spell Hit helps neutralize the lost chance from Resistance for a binary spell to land (the roll is combined)

i.e. I have 4.19% spell hit, 0.19 over the cap. I have 129 Spell Penetration, 1 below cap. The theory suggests I am in fact Spell Penetration capped for Binary Spells.

I understand Mind Control and Psychic Scream are binary spells?

Is what I wrote true?

Edit: talked with a pvp friend, and what you said might be true.
Disregard my post.

Afaik no.

The game makes two independant rolls to see if a resist occur. (Not sure about order).
1st -> hit check : use hit rating.
2nd -> resist check : use spell penetration.
If you fail either check, with a modificator on spell penetration since it's binary, it fails to land.

Beside, 4% hit doesn't make you capped against Blood Elves, Draeneis, Undeads, and some additional classes with specific talents.

People seem undecided on this one

The exact quote is the following:

"Resistance reduces the chance for the binary spell to land by a certain percentage, indicated by the tables below. This chance to miss is combined with the spell hit roll and thus additional spell hit will help mitigate this lost chance to hit (for PvP, mostly)."

There is a very old blue post stating the following:

"For binary spells only, there is an additional modifier for the resistance of the victim to your particular spell school: fire, frost, shadow, nature, arcane. That modifier is multiplied by your hit chance to get your actual chance to land. This is done with binary spells only, because they never do partial damage.

Example:

Eyonix the Mage (level 60) fires a frost bolt at Yeti of Doom (level 63). Eyonix is also wearing a total of +6% spell hit gear. Yeti of Doom has frost resistance such that he takes 50% from level 60 frost attacks. So, here’s the hit calculation:

0.83 (83% for +3 levels mob) + 0.06 (+6% spell hit) = 0.89

0.89*0.5 (50% damage from frost) = 0.445.

The game will roll a number between 0 and 1, and if it’s less than 0.445, the frost bolt will hit for full damage. Otherwise, a resist message will appear. "


Anyone confident enough to give a final answer?