Shadowpriest Theory Craft - 3.2.2 Edition! - Page 3

Nichi · 11/25/08, 12:37 PM

There was something that I personally had seen mentioned about SW

. This is just what I do personally and it seems to fit well with me. It seems that once every other rotation (after the initial Shadow Weaving build) you can force MB and SWD into the same GCD. (this occurs immediately after reapplying VT) and then I resume MF while other spells are on cooldown.

Was just wondering if anyone saw benefit to this or ran a similar "Rotation" (I use the term rotation because even though it is priority based, some sort of spell rotation will always appear ^_^)

deadjon · 11/25/08, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Snowy

The reason why it's so close is spirit is a crap stat for DPS, it's not really a statement on intellect being so high.

Improved Spirit Tap is mostly garbage if you don't need the mana regen. Even if you have 700 spirit buffed, a crit is gaining you a whopping 7 spellpower.

Mostly garbage and still better than any points in blackout (for raiding that is.)

etrnl · 11/25/08, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by Nichi

There was something that I personally had seen mentioned about SW

. This is just what I do personally and it seems to fit well with me. It seems that once every other rotation (after the initial Shadow Weaving build) you can force MB and SWD into the same GCD. (this occurs immediately after reapplying VT) and then I resume MF while other spells are on cooldown.

Was just wondering if anyone saw benefit to this or ran a similar "Rotation" (I use the term rotation because even though it is priority based, some sort of spell rotation will always appear ^_^)

I haven't been able to do this at all... MB is a 1.5s cast, are you sure you're just not chaining both back to back? When I use SW

is typically when I open up (VT,MB,SW

). MB and SW

will both land at the theoretical same time, but they will still have their own GCD.

Nichi · 11/25/08, 3:02 PM

It's entirely possible that chaining is what's occurring but there seems to be no delay at all. If I am actually forcing them into one GCD it would because i'm using an instant cast immediately following a cast. (That's the reason I posted it here =) to stand corrected ^_^)

etrnl · 11/25/08, 3:22 PM

I've always found myself having to wait the GCD out after the combo, from what I can recall, at least. I'll play around tonight and see if that does occur.

Nurru · 11/25/08, 3:26 PM

It's not focusing them into one GCD. MB is a 1.5 cast so it receives the same amount of haste as your GCD. Only two possibilities exist:

SWD, <GCD> MB(GCD overlaps) or MB(GCD overlaps) SWD <GCD>

They are exactly the same from a dps perspective.

nero · 11/26/08, 2:46 AM

Does anyone know if the Glyph of SW:P stacks with Twisted faith additively or multiplicatively

?

Shych · 11/26/08, 5:20 AM

Hey, I couldn't post a new thread, so I will write here instead, since it is about raiding.

I wonder if there are any good addons for a shadowpriest? I would for example like an addon that shows dots on all mobs i have dots on like focus targets or something, that show an icon and name, and debuffs under them (also bosses), but only your debuffs and not others. Or something that makes me see debuffs easier, cause with wow-standard setting(which I am using now) it's really hard keeping such things up.

Thankful for all answers or ideas!

Greetings
Feiszt
Shadowpriest.

(this account was created when i played my rogue)

Pluff · 11/26/08, 6:05 AM

Originally Posted by Shych

Hey, I couldn't post a new thread, so I will write here instead, since it is about raiding.

I wonder if there are any good addons for a shadowpriest? I would for example like an addon that shows dots on all mobs i have dots on like focus targets or something, that show an icon and name, and debuffs under them (also bosses), but only your debuffs and not others. Or something that makes me see debuffs easier, cause with wow-standard setting(which I am using now) it's really hard keeping such things up.

Thankful for all answers or ideas!

Greetings
Feiszt
Shadowpriest.

(this account was created when i played my rogue)

try DoTimer

Meltface · 11/26/08, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by tedv

Regarding Shadow Word: Death, I'll note that Mind Flay seems to beat Death on paper, but it also depends on gearing levels. I want to see actual WWS reports to decide when its worth casting. My suspicion is that if you have 2 seconds until your next "cooldown" and can't cast anything but Death and a clipped Mind Flay, then Mind Flay is the right choice, regardless of gear levels. But if you only have 1.5 seconds, Death will be the right choice at certain gear levels. Again, this is just speculation, and we need actual data to make this decision.

I'd actually say that in practice, SWD is the correct choice in both situations.

Mind Flay "clipping" is dead with the current Mind Flay implementation. The ticks no longer occur at even intervals on the channel so you can't clip with any precision.

Bartlebum · 11/26/08, 11:20 AM

I would agree with Meltface. A single tick of MF (which is all you'll get probably) is not equal in damage to even a non crit Death. However, if you only have 1.5 seconds, I would not cast a Death because taking into account lag and GCD it's quite possible that if all you have is 1.5 seconds, you'll end up letting something drop off or clip. So if you're waiting you could be better off renewing your touch early if you have like less than 3 seconds left or something rather than risking tossing a death in and probably letting something drop off.

Sadiem · 11/26/08, 1:13 PM

I checked the whole thread really quick, and I did not see anyone talking about it, but wouldn't Glyph of Shadow word: Death be best for dps as last glyph? I mean, that spell might not be in our rotation, but maybe it would be worth it to bring it in when the mob is under 35% when you have the glyph?

etrnl · 11/26/08, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sadiem

I checked the whole thread really quick, and I did not see anyone talking about it, but wouldn't Glyph of Shadow word: Death be best for dps as last glyph? I mean, that spell might not be in our rotation, but maybe it would be worth it to bring it in when the mob is under 35% when you have the glyph?

I really don't think so.

Glyph of Shadow
Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain

Glyph of Mind Flay
OR
Glyph of Dispel Magic

Glyph of SW

is more of a PvP Glyph, in my opinion. The DPS increase from it seems very minimal given 35% is generally when BL's and Hero's get popped, or are still effective, so that 10% could easily be surpassed by all other spells.

Of course, numbers showing differ would change things a bit.

Xtoforas · 11/26/08, 4:27 PM

Also, with respect to the Glyph of Shadow Word: Death, looking at simulationcrafts sample output SampleOutput - simulationcraft - Google Code using the Naxx10 gear set shows only a ~0.6% dps increase from using the glyph.

There is a stipulation where the the other shadowpriest actor (Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD) has dropped Shadow Word: Death from his toolbox completely.

Personally, I have yet to use a Glyph of Shadow Word: Death nor find an inscriptor on my server to make the glyph. However, I do actively use Shadow Word: Death on most fights so maybe I'm penalizing myself dps-wise by doing so.

Shych · 11/27/08, 9:12 AM

I belive that SW: D does more damage than mindflay does in 1,5sec. aslong as you can do a mindflay after the SW:D. I tried diffrent rotations yesterday in naxxramas, and I noticed a dps increase (might have been the bosses though) while using sw: D when there were 4,5 or more sec left untill MB cooldown or a dot was going off.