I've done quite a bit of comp dabbling just for fun, and the non-rogue 3v3 teammates that I've had success with (and/or have felt are viable comps overall) are Hunter/Holy Paladin, Ret Paladin/DK, Fury Warrior/Holy Paladin, and Hunter/DK.
I've done quite a bit of comp dabbling just for fun, and the non-rogue 3v3 teammates that I've had success with (and/or have felt are viable comps overall) are Hunter/Holy Paladin, Ret Paladin/DK, Fury Warrior/Holy Paladin, and Hunter/DK.
The hunter/DK team seems strictly worst with a priest compared to a paladin though. With a paladin you can play outlast or burst, with the priest you won't be able to outlast anyone.
They really need to give priests an answer to viper sting.
The hunter/DK team seems strictly worst with a priest compared to a paladin though. With a paladin you can play outlast or burst, with the priest you won't be able to outlast anyone.
They really need to give priests an answer to viper sting.
That's why, even with self-castable penance (the only buff from 3.1 preview that matters in PvP), Priests will still be manifestly worse than the other healers.
The main reason to get the satin pieces would be to double up on the resilience if you're a bit low.
As someone just starting to build my pvp set I found this to be a nice choice. Both sets carry a +50 resilience bonus for having two pieces. If you get two pieces with each set that is a +100 bonus to resilience.
Originally I went with the double set bonus from 2 mooncloth and 2 satin, but I've since switched to wearing the full mooncloth set. I consider crit to pretty much be a wasted stat, and 50 resilience really isn't that much, especially since that additional spirit is not the only benefit you gain from wearing full mooncloth. Nevertheless, I'd still recommend wearing 2 pieces of each as you're gearing up.
I'm wondering if 3.1 changes the dynamic of disc healing in arenas. With penance being self cast, I see things like divine aegis being much more worthwhile while under pressure. I was already leaning towards using renew glyph over the flash heal glyph, but now the choice seems downright obvious. With Divine Spirit being base, we save a talent point that can now be used elsewhere.
One question that doesn't appear to be answered here, is what is the status of Improved Power Word Shield?
Stepped into arena for the first time since TBC last night (was never serious but I always enjoyed pvping as disc) with a ret friend and a self spec of 57/14/0 and it went a lot better than I thought, ending 16-9 after going up to 11-2 and almost getting the 10 games in a row achievement. Now while i'm confident in my choice to take reflective shield and NOT take imp.mana burn for 2v2 as I was always focused and could do little else than spam instants, offensively dispel and fear, I'm still wondering about the effectiveness of blessed recovery. Is this still a trash dispel buff you only put one point in ? Because on paper it sounds like a fantastic talent and I'm wondering whether I should bother trying to fix a spec for RMP that includes both blessed recovery, reflective shield and imp.mana burn (as I feel the peels in this team will allow me to pressure with mana burn more than 2s).
For instance I'm wondering about improved inner fire (though now this talent buffs three things, I imagine it's needed), martyrdom (I rarely get a chance to cast anything anyway unless i get a bop or fear off) and the ongoing imp.pws discussion.
I'm wondering if 3.1 changes the dynamic of disc healing in arenas. With penance being self cast, I see things like divine aegis being much more worthwhile while under pressure. I was already leaning towards using renew glyph over the flash heal glyph, but now the choice seems downright obvious. With Divine Spirit being base, we save a talent point that can now be used elsewhere.
One question that doesn't appear to be answered here, is what is the status of Improved Power Word Shield?
The problem with divine aegis is that crit is a shitty stat, and stacking crit for mana returns through improved aegis is likely to be not worth it. Ironically, the best stat right now seems to be mana/5 by a long shot if the spirit nerf goes through.
Improved power word shield is amazing and should be taken by every pvp build.
The problem with divine aegis is that crit is a shitty stat, and stacking crit for mana returns through improved aegis is likely to be not worth it. Ironically, the best stat right now seems to be mana/5 by a long shot if the spirit nerf goes through.
Improved power word shield is amazing and should be taken by every pvp build.
Thanks for the answer. I agree, the far and away best choice in this situation is mp5, but when the set pieces are giving you a choice between spirit and crit, it seems like you'd still be better off stacking crit, given that a self cast penance has (if you can get off a full cast) 3 chances to crit, in addition to PoM's. Trading that vs. the mana return from meditation the extra spirit gives you seems like an easy choice. The real cost, however, is where the 3 talent points come from. That deep in the tree, divine aegis is an expensive 3 talent points. Still, I'm not totally willing to sign off Divine Aegis because it will be an extra little bit of insulation when I'm being focused.
Maybe with penance castable on yourself divine aegis becomes an option in pvp specs, tho you'd kinda want full crit set then along with holy specialization. I'm most likely going to try it atleast, just need to figure out from where to squeeze out the talent points from.
One question that doesn't appear to be answered here, is what is the status of Improved Power Word Shield?
It affects the absorption after talents/spellpower, not just the base absorption. This has always been the case since it was first changed, people just thought otherwise because they were estimating the absorption based upon the glyph heal, which has been bugged for many reasons since its implementation.
The problem with divine aegis is that crit is a shitty stat, and stacking crit for mana returns through improved aegis is likely to be not worth it. Ironically, the best stat right now seems to be mana/5 by a long shot if the spirit nerf goes through.
Improved power word shield is amazing and should be taken by every pvp build.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they only nerfing the OOC spirit regen? I.e an overall nerf to spirit, however compensate by buffing in-combat regeneration talents.
I am kinda curious how many priests who pvp as disc are rerolling as a paladin or something else. From personal experience, a lot of the priests I talk with on my server have rerolled or are already doing it - did anyone else just say fuck it and reroll at this point?
I am not talking about giving up your priest completely, just doing the '10 games a week on priest', while playing paladin full-time for arena.
I am doing exactly that. First, let me admit that I was never a great arena player. My best rating was in the 1850’s. I tend to play in 2s and 3s more than 5s, so the notion of playing the “most offensive caster” never really did me any good, as I was essentially tanking most of the time and unable to unlock my “offensive potential.” I figure if tanking is what I am going to be doing, I might as well do it while wearing plate.
Quite frankly since season 2 arena has only grown more frustrating for me. I think I was due for change.
I am kinda curious how many priests who pvp as disc are rerolling as a paladin or something else. From personal experience, a lot of the priests I talk with on my server have rerolled or are already doing it - did anyone else just say fuck it and reroll at this point?
I am not talking about giving up your priest completely, just doing the '10 games a week on priest', while playing paladin full-time for arena.
I'm currently only playing 10 games a week on my priest, I decided to play my paladin as my main pvp character midway through last week. I hit 80 2 weeks ago and am playing with the same partner, currently wearing 2 piece heroes, 2 pc hateful, with some deadly offset pieces and some random pve gear. We hit 2200 last night.
I'm currently only playing 10 games a week on my priest, I decided to play my paladin as my main pvp character midway through last week. I hit 80 2 weeks ago and am playing with the same partner, currently wearing 2 piece heroes, 2 pc hateful, with some deadly offset pieces and some random pve gear. We hit 2200 last night.
Haha, that's pretty awesome, grats Gourd. I wish I could motivate myself more to level my own paladin, right now he is 71 but my will to grind him levels has approached zero - if only I could use my unspent badges to buy him hateful gear :/
I'm not rerolling, I'm just not playing much arena and doing other stuff instead. I'm glad achievement based pve has shifted the focus of what constitutes elite play back towards pve rather than arena rating being the be all end all of skill.
One of the main reasons I rolled a Deathknight first was that I recognized the state priests would be in PvP in wotlk. I just wasn't comfortable taking the chance that they would get it right. However, I recently hit 80 on my priest and am planning on using him as an alt healer/arena when my partner and I want to stay at a certain rating on our main. I'd probably spend more time focusing on my priest if some nice PvP changes went through though. Honestly, something as easy as poison dispel would do it. I'm not sure what they are waiting for.
I did have a question though. At around what level of resilience in a full disc build or even a hybrid disc/holy build do you feel like you don't just go splat within 3 seconds?
One of the main reasons I rolled a Deathknight first was that I recognized the state priests would be in PvP in wotlk. I just wasn't comfortable taking the chance that they would get it right. However, I recently hit 80 on my priest and am planning on using him as an alt healer/arena when my partner and I want to stay at a certain rating on our main. I'd probably spend more time focusing on my priest if some nice PvP changes went through though. Honestly, something as easy as poison dispel would do it. I'm not sure what they are waiting for.
I did have a question though. At around what level of resilience in a full disc build or even a hybrid disc/holy build do you feel like you don't just go splat within 3 seconds?
I have roughly 700 resil, and I have found my survivability is very good. I mainly play 2's with a rogue, and we typically lose due to him dying. We seem to play the best when people focus me. My biggest problem has been competing with paladin's mana. Even with getting 5 mana drains off, I still go oom before they do. I tried doing 2s with a dk, and I feel currently the only partner a priest can compete with is a rogue.
I can get gibbed by double dps teams on ring of valor, however I attribute that soley to the map, because the same teams are a joke on any other map.
I feel like Twin Disciples could prove to be a somewhat useful talent for PVP. The only damaging moves I really use in PVP would be my instance cast DoT's (Shadow Word: Pain, Devouring Plague), and this Twin Disciples Talent would obviously benefit from this, but I am more so wondering if this talent would help with my Glyph or Power Word: Shield. So does Twin Disciples benefit my casting of Power Word: Shield?
Twin Disciples:: Increases the damage and healing done by your instant spells by 5%.
Glyph or Power Word: Shield:: Your Power Word: Shield also heals the target for 20% of the absorption amount.
This probably still does not justify using 5 talent points here, but I am just curious if it would work.
Twin disciplines works on PW: S - the problem is that now that they fixed strangulate, unbreakable will is pretty much a must-have to survive imp cs chained onto garrote.
If you play a hyper aggressive PMR I maybe could justify twin disciplines, but that's about it.
I tried to cumul both 2 pieces bonus, to increase my survivability, with the blue PvP set.
I just bought the 4th piece (that's the 2nd piece of the dps set) yesterday, and on my character sheet, it doesn't add 50 resilience.
Is it a display bug or are the two sets bonuses effectively exclusive ?
I was not clear, but that's what I did. 2 pieces of shadow gear, and two pieces of healing gear.
And for each set, the two pieces bonus is highlighted, so that's not an error in the gear (meaning I would have 1 + 3 instead of 2+2).
I tried to cumul both 2 pieces bonus, to increase my survivability, with the blue PvP set.
I just bought the 4th piece (that's the 2nd piece of the dps set) yesterday, and on my character sheet, it doesn't add 50 resilience.
Is it a display bug or are the two sets bonuses effectively exclusive ?
This happened to me once, however it was fixed when I switched zones. I'm pretty positive it's just a display bug.
02/05/09, 11:43 AM
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