Raids & Healing in 3.0 (as a priest) - Page 11

Kaeltala · 01/13/09, 2:04 AM

Hi everyone, I'm going to try on Sarth 3D (10 men) and we'll run 2 healers , myself as a disc priest and a Holy Paladin, our jobs will be to heal everyone we can but we have to choose the beacon of light wisely.

I was hesitating between: -put the beacon on Sarth Tank and heal Drakes tank with glyphed Holy Light , me healing adds tank + raid + some help on both tanks when needed. It seems cool, but some movements we make can disable the beacon because of range.
- Beacon on Adds tank while healing Drake tank, myself healing Sarth Tank.

What choice would you made ?

constantius · 01/13/09, 5:49 AM

Paladin healing the Sarth tank (MT) with beacon on the add tank. You heal the drake tank, PoM / PW:S the add tank occasionally to help out. You heal the raid as much as you can. The CoH nerf will hurt this somewhat.

Paladin Holy Shock is amazing for topping up a secondary target (i.e. add tank), so they're ideal in that role. If your add tank gets too far from that paladin, they're not Doing It Right.

Synge · 01/13/09, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Starfire

So, how do you guys handle mana on Malygos? Malygos is currently the one fight where I actually run out of mana. I can usually survive through phase 1 fairly well and enter phase 2 with full mana. But phase 2 is seemingly brutal. As far as I can grasp, healing needs to be done NOW and as soon as possible. Any person getting hit twice in a row seems to be dead, there.

I've noticed the thing that Priests tend to do on this phase is spam CoH endlessly in a frenzied panic. Truth of the matter is, people have a chance to just get gibbed if they're hit twice with the bolts from the Scions of Eternity. I suggest making sure you always have a PoM on someone in the raid and try to use CoH sparingly. You should have plenty of time to Flash Heal someone who's been hit or drop a CoH if a notable amount of people could use some healing, but in in the event someone is very low - don't hesitate to drop a PW:S on them. I know with my gear setup, even as a Holy Priest, it will absorb ~5k+. Guardian Spirit (if spec'd into it), can save someone who's in dire need of being healed, of course, too.

Jorak · 01/13/09, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by nataku

I've never really paid attention to this, but doesn't shadowfiend trigger GCD? Since I believe it does, you won't be able to summon it and also cast Power Word Shield on it at the same time.

A compromise would be to have a second macro for Power Word: Shield that targets shadowfiend.

The above macro will work, but you'd need to hit it at least twice. Personally I just spam it a few times.

Isin · 01/13/09, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Synge

I've noticed the thing that Priests tend to do on this phase is spam CoH endlessly in a frenzied panic. Truth of the matter is, people have a chance to just get gibbed if they're hit twice with the bolts from the Scions of Eternity. I suggest making sure you always have a PoM on someone in the raid and try to use CoH sparingly. You should have plenty of time to Flash Heal someone who's been hit or drop a CoH if a notable amount of people could use some healing, but in in the event someone is very low - don't hesitate to drop a PW:S on them. I know with my gear setup, even as a Holy Priest, it will absorb ~5k+. Guardian Spirit (if spec'd into it), can save someone who's in dire need of being healed, of course, too.

I pretty much keep PoM active, CoH the group, and use the SoL procs. I also find it useful to drop a lightwell under the shield when he's about to do his breath attack- since your group is stationary for that period, most everyone should have an opportunity to take a hit.

Jorak · 01/13/09, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hungtar

I have not seen this mentioned before but your shadowfiend can die to Sartharions tail lash (just happend 10 minutes ago). Maybe i was just standing too close to his tail (the tail lash did not hit me, just the shadowfiend). Has anyone experienced this and can it be avoided?

It probably isn't easily avoidable since the AI wants to get behind the mob.

At my last (successful) attempt at Sarth 3D, my shadowfiend somehow died to a flame breath near the end of his lifespan. How? Why was he up in the flame breath cone? I generally stand toward the back of Sarth, so he would have wondered up there by himself.

typobox · 01/13/09, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Synge

I've noticed the thing that Priests tend to do on this phase is spam CoH endlessly in a frenzied panic. Truth of the matter is, people have a chance to just get gibbed if they're hit twice with the bolts from the Scions of Eternity. I suggest making sure you always have a PoM on someone in the raid and try to use CoH sparingly. You should have plenty of time to Flash Heal someone who's been hit or drop a CoH if a notable amount of people could use some healing, but in in the event someone is very low - don't hesitate to drop a PW:S on them. I know with my gear setup, even as a Holy Priest, it will absorb ~5k+. Guardian Spirit (if spec'd into it), can save someone who's in dire need of being healed, of course, too.

This could differ in 25-man, with more targets to manage, but in 10-man phase 2 I didn't see much need for CoH at all. At most, I use it a couple times when running between bubbles just to be able to do something while on the move. PW:S is a huge help on this phase, though.

Honestly, I've had just the opposite experience of Starfire with regards to mana on this fight - phase 1 can get a little tight, but phase 2 is a nice coast to the finish. On the other hand, my guild isn't exactly going for fast kills right now and is taking the "easy" way out, never stacking sparks beyond 2 and only seeing a couple 2-stacks per pull. I also do make sure to fire off a Devouring Plague and SW:P from inside a spark when I get the chance which probably doesn't help the mana issue.

Morakk · 01/13/09, 6:03 PM

I've found yelling at people to move at the right time to be more effective than healing at preventing deaths in phase 2 >.> [e] Full disclosure, we haven't killed maly on 25 yet, but we have gotten through p2 with 22-23 up. Hitting 5 is hard.

typobox · 01/13/09, 8:31 PM

RNG can still screw you, and it appears that there's some sort of lag issue with the bubbles in phase 2... I've had many people take unshielded levels of damage while clearly being inside a bubble. The whole encounter is buggy, though.

Similac · 01/14/09, 3:32 AM

Since crit is so important to a Disc priest, would the Shadow spec T7 gear be better than the Holy?

Hegen · 01/14/09, 7:14 AM

Originally Posted by constantius

You heal the drake tank, PoM / PW:S the add tank occasionally to help out. You heal the raid as much as you can. The CoH nerf will hurt this somewhat.

The CoH nerf won't change the situation for him, since Kaeltala wants to do this as a disc priest. Whether a combination of disc priest and holy paladin is a good choice for Sarth 3D is another question - my guess would be that a paladin as a strong single/two-target healer and a holy priest as strong raid healer would make a much better combination - the raid damage seems pretty severe to me.

Morakk · 01/14/09, 7:33 AM

Originally Posted by Similac

Since crit is so important to a Disc priest, would the Shadow spec T7 gear be better than the Holy?

The gloves, helm, and leggings anyway. The other slots have hit.

The healing T7 chest has mp5 on it. I think you're better off going for either of the crit chests in naxx.

popesaladin · 01/14/09, 8:59 AM

hi. I have two questions concerning naxx25.

first, what is your normal healing composition in naxx25? lately, we've been running 2 holy priests, 1 holy paladin, 1 resto shaman, and 1 resto druid... 5 healers. and this setup works wonderfully with one exception: patchwerk.

my second question is concerning patchwerk. I realize healer composition will effect your strat... but how do you handle patchwerk? As a priest, what heals are you using? And, do you do hard target assignments, or wing it?

Isin · 01/14/09, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by popesaladin

hi. I have two questions concerning naxx25.

first, what is your normal healing composition in naxx25? lately, we've been running 2 holy priests, 1 holy paladin, 1 resto shaman, and 1 resto druid... 5 healers. and this setup works wonderfully with one exception: patchwerk.

my second question is concerning patchwerk. I realize healer composition will effect your strat... but how do you handle patchwerk? As a priest, what heals are you using? And, do you do hard target assignments, or wing it?

I think my guild uses 5 healers for everything except thaddius and loatheb (we scale down to 4 because the extra heals aren't necessary and the extra dps helps alot), and we scale up to 6 for Sapphiron and Kel.

I definitely advocate hard assignments for Patchwerk. If you "wing it", then you'll probably have 3 or 4 healers all trying to heal the same hateful strike, leading to massive overheal and no one healing the next one.

As a priest on that fight, I usually keep prayer of mending bouncing and then just GHeal spam my assigned tank. If I have a break then I might throw up a renew or two, but in general it's just GHeal spam, except for SoL procs.

Morakk · 01/14/09, 10:33 AM

I pretty much second the above.

With my raid comp I end up alternating gheals between the hateful tanks. However, we have multiple holy paladins and only one holy priest.

With your setup, my first thought would be:
Paladin: OT1, beacon MT
Both Priests: OT2
Shaman: OT1
Druid: Hots on everything, help where needed

where OT1 is the offtank eating more hatefuls.

It's sort of hard to say without knowing your tanks classes and gear.