Holy crap....A PW:S that can be cast as fast as your GCD allows?
Based on a 1.5sec GCD, this is like 3-4 PW:S in the same span of time (if Borrowed Time effects your GCD....not sure).

This is 3-4X the output on PW:S, and at a decreased cost!

Divine Aegis that stacks up to10,000. There is no way I could complain.

It's nice that it's easier to keep up...However how will this be handled?
If I heal another party member, will it remove it from the tank and apply it to someone else?
Also, this removes the ability of a Disc priest to keep up grace on multiple targets.
This looks like major trouble to me.

Enough said...


Since the 12 second limiter applies ONLY to the 2% total mana, 8 rage, 16 energy or 32 runic power given to other targets.

For comparison:
With a 20k mana pool, a FULLY EFFECTIVE penance would give somewhere around 440 mana. Given a 2sec cast, this is ~ 1100 MP5.
A fully effective Flash Heal would give ~190 mana. Given a 1.5sec cast, this is ~633 MP5

A fully absorbed PW:S will return 500 mana based on a 20k mana pool. Given a 1.5sec GCD, this is ~1666MP5. This is a bit harder in some instances because it will only be returned if the shield if fully used, but for other cases, such as spamming shileds before a vortex...you will actually recieve a HUGE series of mana gains.

HOWEVER, PW:S is now our primary spell (next to penance). It's cost has been reduced by 30% to compensate, so it's really not that big of a deal. Penance is already dirt cheap, and Flash Heal is getting its cost reduced further.

The reduced cost will help Disc in its mana longevity.
The crit is pretty damn nice as well (understatement).

This should help with regen a little bit....or not considering the new mana regen model.

Although we have gained 4 extra talent points now that enlightenment and rapture are 3 points talents (down from 5).
This will be taken by Improved Flash Heal (3 point talent) and Soul Warding (1 point)

It's still a little too PvP-y to be taken for PvE IMO.

Kinda curious about this. Anyone able to see what it does?

Yeah I agree, there are a lot of inconsistencies in their patch notes so what they really intend is kind of a mystery.

The new PI graphic is pretty cool, the target is surrounded by some flames. The new sound is nothing special.

Either this is another bug with Rapture or refreshing PWS counts as the first PWS being dispelled.



2/24 15:45:48.290 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x01000000007B5559,"Squeaksterr",0x10511,0x01000000007B5559,"Squea ksterr",0x10511,48066,"Power Word: Shield",0x2,BUFF
2/24 15:46:04.284 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x01000000007B5559,"Squeaksterr",0x10511,0x01000000007B5559,"Squea ksterr",0x10511,48066,"Power Word: Shield",0x2,BUFF
2/24 15:46:04.568 SPELL_ENERGIZE,0x01000000007B5559,"Squeaksterr",0x10511,0x01000000007B5559,"Squeakste rr",0x10511,47755,"Rapture",0x2,504,0


The PWS wasn't used up, after weakend soul wore off I recast PWS on myself and I still got the 504 mana back. Probably a bug.

Overall I'm liking what I'm seeing. The concerns on rapture are certainly valid, but till we see some more feedback from the PTR testing, I'll keep hoping (and believing) that blizzard will end up with a more or less similar netto mana regeneration for all five healer specs.
My biggest concern is to the spamability of pw:shield, but this will first of all depend on the type of encounters we'll be seeing in Ulduar. Looking at "spike damage" and "pressure damage" on the raid, I still think our PW:S will be best for coping with the spike damage, and leaving outhealing solid pressure damage (mostly) to the raidhealers.
If nothing else, no cd on pw:s and the 2 sec lower cd on penance from glyph will help increase our tank healing capabilities quite a bit.

As for the glyphs, I suppose we'll be looking at Penance as the new definite no-brainer, with PW:S, Flash Heal and Holy Nova or Prayer of Healing all valid for the two other slots. Presumably, PW:S, FH and Penance will be the preferred choices of these, given that we will still remain single target healers, and might as well dualspec to holy if the fight requires us to aoe heal often.

Is rank 1/3 I believe? That's what's showing up on MMO talent calc. So 3/3 brings you to 2.5% and 100% chance to energize...

Yeah it's 2.5% with three points in Rapture. It goes 1.5/2.0/2.5. The chance of energizing the target goes 33/66/100.

On the PTR my PWS is 532 mana with all of the applicable talents which means Mental Agility and Soul Warding are additive.

I assume the flash heal glyph and talent will also be additive but right now the talent is bugged and is providing to mana reduction.

"This effect cannot occur once every 12 seconds" pertains to the 2.5% mana back on shield absorption/dispell, a 12 second CD on an effect that is limited by the 15 second duration of weakenend soul would be redundant.

So in best cast scenario you are looking about around 250 mp5 from rapture with 24k mana.

EDIT: Well then either the limitation stated in the tooltip needs to be removed ( obvious lack of purpose ) or the no CD limit on the mana return is a bug, I am thinking the ladder

Either that, and the PTR is broken atm, OR, they're applying the 12 second penalty to the energize portion of the talent, since technically you could spam shield in AoE dmg and return ungodly amounts of mana/energy/rage/rp to several people without limit, as long as they were taking consistent damage.

Yeah I apologize for my lack of reading the previous posts, but if the 12 seconds CD is ONLY on the energize is correct the only time the CD would come into play is if

A) they only get the mana/rage/runicpower/energy when the shield is fully consumed

and B) The shield breaks after weakened soul debuff has worn and a new PW:S is instantly applied and is consumed within that 12 second.

I really don't see how this extremely situational circumstance should warrant a limitation via an internal cooldown, or I fail to see how it would be overpowerd.

This is what leads me to believe the 2.5% mana return not being limited by the 12 second CD statement in the tooltip to be a bug.

We shall see.

If you get the chance can you test it on someone else? You stated that you didn't see the "proc" of the additional mana on yourself just the 2.5% and not 4.5%. Is the 2% mana/16 rage/32 RP proc working on others, just not yourself?

How I would test it:
PW:S a tank and wait for weakened soul to wear off.
PW:S him a second time.
Does both he and you get the proc? (As you stated it provides 2.5% of your max mana when doing this on yourself)

Get a tank to pull something that hits rather hard.
PW:S him and see if he gains rage/mana/RP upon consumption of the shield.

PW:S a tank and have him pull once weakened soul has worn off. (Or is about to wear off)
Once first shield is fully consumed, cast PW:S again.
Check if he got one or two procs of the rage/mana/RP. (If the mob hits hard enough it should be sub 12 sec between consumption of both shields)
Check if you got one or two procs of the 2.5% max mana.

Not sure how much useful information this all provides though, as you said, you are getting a consumed shield proc upon overwriting your current shield. Sounds kinda buggy to me.

Yeah I want to test exactly what you have written here, unfortunately the PTR is really lagging and crashing a lot so it might have to wait until later tonight. I did manage to test some of this with a druid tank and when the shield was used up he did gain 8 rage and I gained 504 mana, although it was so laggy I couldn't see if he could get the 8 rage more than once every 12 seconds.